Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
Discussion
Cohen123 said:
I see the Remainers are STILL under-estimating/attacking Farage. WHEN will they ever learn this doesn't work? Sunday evening could be a start but somehow I doubt it. Some people are just, sadly, terminally deluded.
Leavers don't like to hear the truth about their deity.El stovey said:
convinced the E.U. is somehow the source of their problems
You make yourself look an idiot when you say dumb stuff like this, I'm not even sure you yourself believe it. The silly gross exaggeration is a sign of the times, and seemingly not one you learnt from last time around, when the belittling and moral preaching had the opposite effect.
It could be you just lack any understanding though if you think a majority of Brexit voters blame the EU as a source of their problems.
El stovey said:
What exactly are you unhappy about that you think voting for the brexit party will help? Do you think Farage will represent you and solve any of these problems? Do you think voting for Farage will actually lead to some kind of reset to an already thriving western economy? .
Seriously? I think you deserve a whoosh parrot for missing the point so monumentally.paulrockliffe said:
Sorry, what?
What % of the vote did Cons and Labour get in 2017? What are the polls saying they'll get today?
It's a lazy smear to say that nothing is changing because Frage has been in politics for a long time.
So exactly what is changing, or will change after you vote for Farage? What % of the vote did Cons and Labour get in 2017? What are the polls saying they'll get today?
It's a lazy smear to say that nothing is changing because Frage has been in politics for a long time.
You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.
What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?
jsf said:
El stovey said:
I think it’s utterly depressing.
A load of dissatisfied people, convinced the E.U. is somehow the source of their problems and even worse, that voting for Farage in an E.U. referendum will in any way make their lot any better.
Its thats your genuine thoughts on what we are seeing, you are seriously out of touch with the mood in the nation.A load of dissatisfied people, convinced the E.U. is somehow the source of their problems and even worse, that voting for Farage in an E.U. referendum will in any way make their lot any better.
Tuna said:
I can point you to any one of a number of Facebook and Twitter posts where the posters say, front and foremost that Farage and the Brexit Party are racist. There are enough memes (and some that appear to be adverts) saying the same. Elysium knows well enough in these forums not to go throwing the R word around without justification - after three years, that debating tactic is just not tolerated in here. But that's not what's happening in the wider UK.
And this isn't about having issues with immigration - personally, immigration just isn't something I'm worried about - this is about how the debate is being framed and how people react to it. Rather than have a grown up discussion about policies and different viewpoints, there is this constant barrage of people trivialising other's concerns and wildly misrepresenting their issues.
It's one of the reasons I post on here about Brexit - my social media feed is dribbling with vitriol from people who I'd otherwise regard as smart, well educated and reasonable. And I'm convinced I'm not the only person who reads posts that say "Yay, that racist Farage has been attacked, he deserves it!" and thinks - you know what, I don't like your side of the debate any more.
And this isn't about having issues with immigration - personally, immigration just isn't something I'm worried about - this is about how the debate is being framed and how people react to it. Rather than have a grown up discussion about policies and different viewpoints, there is this constant barrage of people trivialising other's concerns and wildly misrepresenting their issues.
It's one of the reasons I post on here about Brexit - my social media feed is dribbling with vitriol from people who I'd otherwise regard as smart, well educated and reasonable. And I'm convinced I'm not the only person who reads posts that say "Yay, that racist Farage has been attacked, he deserves it!" and thinks - you know what, I don't like your side of the debate any more.
El stovey said:
So exactly what is changing, or will change after you vote for Farage?
You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.
What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?
Step 1 - give a clear message to HoC - no fudges - ditch TM’s deal - prepare for no deal and exit You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.
What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?
Squiddly Diddly said:
Cohen123 said:
I see the Remainers are STILL under-estimating/attacking Farage. WHEN will they ever learn this doesn't work? Sunday evening could be a start but somehow I doubt it. Some people are just, sadly, terminally deluded.
Leavers don't like to hear the truth about their deity.
Tuna said:
El stovey said:
What exactly are you unhappy about that you think voting for the brexit party will help? Do you think Farage will represent you and solve any of these problems? Do you think voting for Farage will actually lead to some kind of reset to an already thriving western economy? .
Seriously? I think you deserve a whoosh parrot for missing the point so monumentally.Just state clearly what you’re unhappy about and how you think Farage will fix it?
andymadmak said:
cookie118 said:
You mean like leavers constantly characterising remainers as ‘bedwetters’ when they try and raise valid concerns?
On balance, which side of the debate has been more insulting about the other (in your opinion)?This whole Brexit thing has brought the worst out of a lot of people, it’s been very ugly, especially on this forum
B'stard Child said:
El stovey said:
So exactly what is changing, or will change after you vote for Farage?
You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.
What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?
Step 1 - give a clear message to HoC - no fudges - ditch TM’s deal - prepare for no deal and exit You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.
What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?
gooner1 said:
Squiddly Diddly said:
Cohen123 said:
I see the Remainers are STILL under-estimating/attacking Farage. WHEN will they ever learn this doesn't work? Sunday evening could be a start but somehow I doubt it. Some people are just, sadly, terminally deluded.
Leavers don't like to hear the truth about their deity.I’m a leaver and I think Farage would be a disaster for the UK. Voting for him solves nothing and will leave supporters disappointed like his old UKIP supporters are now.
jsf said:
El stovey said:
What’s the mood of the nation?
You've been told hundreds of times.Maybe the results will allow it to sink in. I doubt it.
You only know your mood and those that you tell you theirs. You don’t speak for anyone other than yourself.
People on here are voting for the brexit party for a multitude of reasons. How can any government base policy on that? Any results will get twisted to support any argument. May thinks she’s delivering brexit. If loads of people vote for the brexit party does that mean they want hard brexit or the house to support May’s deal and get on with it? Does it just mean they’re unhappy?
This is classic echo chamber stuff.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 May 10:58
The one thing you can say about Farage is you know what he stands for. Which is pretty unique in these times. May is a Remainer playing a Brexiter, an authoritarian with no authority. Corbyn is a Brexiter playing a Remainer to appease his party. His previously clear (but mental!) ideals have been muddied with his fence sitting on Brexit. Cable doesn't count.
Farage is also far and away the best orator in modern times. Compare his speeches with May's fake sincerity, or Corbyn's mumbling confusion. So we have a guy with a grievance half the country shares, a total clarity of message, and a talent for articulating it, is it any wonder he's sweeping up?
There's probably only Salmond who would compare. Great speaker, consistent message, and a refusal to take no for an answer (and I despise the guy). It's no wonder they trounce the rest. Managerial, uninspiring, short of ideas, total lack of personality... (Grieve, Hammond anyone?).
BTW someone's missed a trick, a Brexit Party song would be top of the charts right now. Artist? The Brexit Party Animals. A modernised https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1opP7tNLzg with added Farage
Farage is also far and away the best orator in modern times. Compare his speeches with May's fake sincerity, or Corbyn's mumbling confusion. So we have a guy with a grievance half the country shares, a total clarity of message, and a talent for articulating it, is it any wonder he's sweeping up?
There's probably only Salmond who would compare. Great speaker, consistent message, and a refusal to take no for an answer (and I despise the guy). It's no wonder they trounce the rest. Managerial, uninspiring, short of ideas, total lack of personality... (Grieve, Hammond anyone?).
BTW someone's missed a trick, a Brexit Party song would be top of the charts right now. Artist? The Brexit Party Animals. A modernised https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1opP7tNLzg with added Farage
El stovey said:
paulrockliffe said:
The establishment then took that as the starting point for 'compromise', took the piss and now the house is going to be burned down with them in it.
But nothing’s getting burned down. There aren’t any seismic changes. Just some people voting for one self serving politician instead of another. When have we seen similar to the likes of Soubry standing under a clear leave manifesto whilst doing anything but?
At last count, something like 250 sitting MPs have completely ignored the core aspects of the manifesto they were elected under. That's unprecedented, and shows a huge breakdown in democratic structures.
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