Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
Discussion
El stovey said:
paulrockliffe said:
The establishment then took that as the starting point for 'compromise', took the piss and now the house is going to be burned down with them in it.
But nothing’s getting burned down. There aren’t any seismic changes. Just some people voting for one self serving politician instead of another. When have we seen similar to the likes of Soubry standing under a clear leave manifesto whilst doing anything but?
At last count, something like 250 sitting MPs have completely ignored the core aspects of the manifesto they were elected under. That's unprecedented, and shows a huge breakdown in democratic structures.
chrispmartha said:
B'stard Child said:
El stovey said:
So exactly what is changing, or will change after you vote for Farage?
You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.
What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?
Step 1 - give a clear message to HoC - no fudges - ditch TM’s deal - prepare for no deal and exit You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.
What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?
If they don’t I’ll settle for Corbyn as PM for 5 years
El stovey said:
jsf said:
El stovey said:
What’s the mood of the nation?
You've been told hundreds of times.Maybe the results will allow it to sink in. I doubt it.
El stovey said:
Tuna said:
El stovey said:
What exactly are you unhappy about that you think voting for the brexit party will help? Do you think Farage will represent you and solve any of these problems? Do you think voting for Farage will actually lead to some kind of reset to an already thriving western economy? .
Seriously? I think you deserve a whoosh parrot for missing the point so monumentally.Just state clearly what you’re unhappy about and how you think Farage will fix it?
They haven't. Instead they have done everything to sabotage and frustrate the outcome of the vote. They have spent 3 years to come up with a fudge that is unacceptable. And now, because that fudge is being rejected they are slyly edging their way back towards Remain/Brino/Second Referendum/ more compromise/sacrifice.
Many folk don't like that. SO if you wanted to express your disgruntlement at the behaviour of the big parties over the past 3 years, which way should you vote today? How do you signal that the 2016 result should be respected fully, as they promised it would be?
Vote for Labour? The 'we have changed our position so many times we don't know what we want' party?
Vote for Conservatives? The ' we handed our arses to the EU, on a plate, ready cooked to their recipe' party?
Vote for the Lid Dems? ' The we simply want to reverse the 2016 result, and if we cannot then, we simply want to ignore it' party?
Or should you vote for the one party focussed on delivering Brexit? The fact that TBP cannot actually deliver that Brexit, but that huge numbers of people are willing to vote for them anyway should inform you as to the strength of feeling out there....the desire to send an unequivocal message to those charged with delivering Brexit at Westminster.
Of course, you may like to imagine that people who vote for TBP today are only doing so because they are too thick/stupid/racist/xenophobic/bigotted/see Farage as a deity/uneducated/lower class to understand. But I'd caution you to look back and see how far that thinking got you in 2016 and since then...
El stovey said:
jsf said:
El stovey said:
What’s the mood of the nation?
You've been told hundreds of times.Maybe the results will allow it to sink in. I doubt it.
You only know your mood and those that you tell you theirs. You don’t speak for anyone other than yourself.
This is classic echo chamber stuff.
jsf said:
El stovey said:
jsf said:
El stovey said:
What’s the mood of the nation?
You've been told hundreds of times.Maybe the results will allow it to sink in. I doubt it.
Do that want hard brexit?
Do they want the house to support May’s deal?
Do they want a new deal?
Do they just want to show they’re unhappy?
Do they want Farage in number 10 or just to stick it to remainers?
Please stop making glib statements about the mood of the nation and the results telling people something.
You don’t actually have a clue why people are voting the brexit party and what the mood is. Even in this thread brexit party supporters are voting for a variety of reasons. Some like you seem to think it supports your own world view but it doesn’t.
All it really tells us is that the people who voted for brexit are unhappy it hasn’t happened yet which isn’t really a surprise.
chrispmartha said:
I can’t answer for Cookie but IMO both ‘extreme’ sides of the argument have been as bad as each other for every remainer calling a leaver racist theres been a leaver calling remainers traitors or similar.
This whole Brexit thing has brought the worst out of a lot of people, it’s been very ugly, especially on this forum
The extremes might have been as bad as each other. I would add though that as I see it those on the less extreme of the Remain side have been generally the more insulting and inclined to lapse to lazy stereotyping of Brexit voters. These very forums were witness to the kind of thing I am referring to. I will concede that Brexiteers have frequently responded in a bad way (myself included) But there is only so many times you can have someone repeatedly asserting directly and indirectly that one is a racist, bigoted, uneducated, xenophobic, gammonista with fascist leanings and not feel compelled to respond in kind. This whole Brexit thing has brought the worst out of a lot of people, it’s been very ugly, especially on this forum
As yea sow, so shall yea reap. If you're complaining about being called a bed wetter or a traitor, look back a bit further and see where it all stems from
gooner1 said:
El stovey said:
jsf said:
El stovey said:
What’s the mood of the nation?
You've been told hundreds of times.Maybe the results will allow it to sink in. I doubt it.
You only know your mood and those that you tell you theirs. You don’t speak for anyone other than yourself.
This is classic echo chamber stuff.
TeamD said:
oh dear, they're truly desperate...
Email from The Conservative Party:
Dear Mr TeamD,
Jeremy Corbyn, Vince Cable, Nigel Farage and Gerard Batten are voting today. And they want you to stay at home. So show you want a Brexit deal by voting Conservative.
No one wanted these elections.
But you can use your vote to show that you want to get a Brexit deal and leave the EU.
We’re the only party that want to deliver Brexit.
Labour and the Lib Dems don’t want Brexit – and UKIP and the Brexit Party can’t deliver it.
So every vote for us will send a message to the country – that it’s time to get on with Brexit.
Polls are open from 7am to 10pm. Vote Conservative and show that you want a Brexit deal.
Your sincerely,
The Conservative Party
It's how these people operate. Email from The Conservative Party:
Dear Mr TeamD,
Jeremy Corbyn, Vince Cable, Nigel Farage and Gerard Batten are voting today. And they want you to stay at home. So show you want a Brexit deal by voting Conservative.
No one wanted these elections.
But you can use your vote to show that you want to get a Brexit deal and leave the EU.
We’re the only party that want to deliver Brexit.
Labour and the Lib Dems don’t want Brexit – and UKIP and the Brexit Party can’t deliver it.
So every vote for us will send a message to the country – that it’s time to get on with Brexit.
Polls are open from 7am to 10pm. Vote Conservative and show that you want a Brexit deal.
Your sincerely,
The Conservative Party
They go after the gullible first
andymadmak said:
chrispmartha said:
I can’t answer for Cookie but IMO both ‘extreme’ sides of the argument have been as bad as each other for every remainer calling a leaver racist theres been a leaver calling remainers traitors or similar.
This whole Brexit thing has brought the worst out of a lot of people, it’s been very ugly, especially on this forum
The extremes might have been as bad as each other. I would add though that as I see it those on the less extreme of the Remain side have been generally the more insulting and inclined to lapse to lazy stereotyping of Brexit voters. These very forums were witness to the kind of thing I am referring to. I will concede that Brexiteers have frequently responded in a bad way (myself included) But there is only so many times you can have someone repeatedly asserting directly and indirectly that one is a racist, bigoted, uneducated, xenophobic, gammonista with fascist leanings and not feel compelled to respond in kind. This whole Brexit thing has brought the worst out of a lot of people, it’s been very ugly, especially on this forum
As yea sow, so shall yea reap. If you're complaining about being called a bed wetter or a traitor, look back a bit further and see where it all stems from
El stovey said:
How on earth do you know the mood of the nation? What do you think it is?
You only know your mood and those that you tell you theirs. You don’t speak for anyone other than yourself.
This is classic echo chamber stuff.
Says the bloke who a page back said Brexit voters are 'convinced the E.U. is somehow the source of their problems'.You only know your mood and those that you tell you theirs. You don’t speak for anyone other than yourself.
This is classic echo chamber stuff.
Edited by El stovey on Thursday 23 May 10:58
Preach some more to us owe wise one
andymadmak said:
El stovey said:
Please stop making glib statements about the mood of the nation and the results telling people something.
All it really tells us is that the people who voted for brexit are unhappy it hasn’t happened yet which isn’t really a surprise.
erm.... All it really tells us is that the people who voted for brexit are unhappy it hasn’t happened yet which isn’t really a surprise.
jsf said:
andymadmak said:
El stovey said:
Please stop making glib statements about the mood of the nation and the results telling people something.
All it really tells us is that the people who voted for brexit are unhappy it hasn’t happened yet which isn’t really a surprise.
erm.... All it really tells us is that the people who voted for brexit are unhappy it hasn’t happened yet which isn’t really a surprise.
B'stard Child said:
El stovey said:
So exactly what is changing, or will change after you vote for Farage?
You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.
What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?
Step 1 - give a clear message to HoC - no fudges - ditch TM’s deal - prepare for no deal and exit You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.
What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?
There would still be more than 50% against 'no deal', in which case Parliament might actually be in touch with the mood of the nation.
Also is there any way of knowing that 100% of TBP voters want no-deal?
Squiddly Diddly said:
alfie2244 said:
Good old Squiddly the Duvet Queen...........his chromatophores are definitely showing his true colours now.
I can't stand Farage, I have made no secret of that.I am not alone.
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