Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
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Another Milkshake attack has happened this morning outside a polling station:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1131014/Brexit-p...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1131014/Brexit-p...
chrispmartha said:
I’m not really complaining about being called anything, and I would suggest there’s a little confirmation bias in what you’re seeing, if we take this forum as an example I personally think there’s far more abuse (that’s a little strong but can’t think of a better word right now) thrown at people on the remain side, but I fully admit that will also be conformation bias at play.
Nice post. I’m a leaver and I think you’re right. The other leavers are far more abusive.It makes sense though. They’re generally unhappy and wanting change because they feel ignored and then the change we voted for gets ignored by the government.
I’m actually quite happy with my lot but don’t want increased E.U. political integration and the brexit was the only option. I’m not particularly concerned about immigration, maybe if I lived in Luton I might be more, who knows?
Like I said, all leave voters are different though and we all had different reasons. That’s why I find it odd when other leavers are going on about the “mood of the nation” and the will of the people all the time.
anarki said:
Another Milkshake attack has happened this morning outside a polling station:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1131014/Brexit-p...
Some on the Remain side have really lost the plot. What on earth do they think they will achieve with this kind of thing? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1131014/Brexit-p...
Squiddly Diddly said:
alfie2244 said:
Good old Squiddly the Duvet Queen...........his chromatophores are definitely showing his true colours now.
I can't stand Farage, I have made no secret of that.I am not alone.
However this did not stop me from voting for TBP
Some Racists and Xenophobes may have voted leave in 2016 - I am neither racist or Xenophobic but this did not make me change my vote in 2016 - I had my own reasons to vote leave
andymadmak said:
anarki said:
Another Milkshake attack has happened this morning outside a polling station:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1131014/Brexit-p...
Some on the Remain side have really lost the plot. What on earth do they think they will achieve with this kind of thing? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1131014/Brexit-p...
paulrockliffe said:
jsf said:
andymadmak said:
El stovey said:
Please stop making glib statements about the mood of the nation and the results telling people something.
All it really tells us is that the people who voted for brexit are unhappy it hasn’t happened yet which isn’t really a surprise.
erm.... All it really tells us is that the people who voted for brexit are unhappy it hasn’t happened yet which isn’t really a surprise.
What’s wrong with saying that saying TBP doing well shows us that people who voted for brexit want it sorted out?
What else could it really show?
chrispmartha said:
I’m not really complaining about being called anything, and I would suggest there’s a little confirmation bias in what you’re seeing, if we take this forum as an example I personally think there’s far more abuse (that’s a little strong but can’t think of a better word right now) thrown at people on the remain side, but I fully admit that will also be conformation bias at play.
A few volumes ago, whilst waiting for a curry to be delivered, I did a quick count up of insults to see which side was 'rudest' - ie. using negative, derogatory language about the others.Remain, by a significant margin.
The funny thing was, one particular Remainer thought that I'd gone full trainspotter for bothering to count. He referred to it regularly. Before being banned for breaking forum rules - ie. using negative, derogatory language. Go figure.
If you were to do a count up for bans on the forum, we could probably create a 'gammon index' for Remain vs Leave.
(As an aside, I think it doesn't mean much as Leave have had less to prove (having won the Referendum) than Remain - so the language and tone of the discussion has been easier on Leavers than Remainers who have felt ignored and overridden).
El stovey said:
FiF said:
Yep, EU referendum was the catalyst, and the way it has been handled has just poured petrol on the fire. Yet only yesterday someone was saying it was pointless to debate due to others complete inability to understand the complex situation, yet that individual in other ways is a prime example of someone not having a clue about the most basic of real issues encountered daily by many.
On another point while I'm here, how often have comments about shy leavers been laughed at and derided? Cue, they won't get 52% comfort blankets now incoming....
Ok but exactly which complex issues will voting for Farage solve? On another point while I'm here, how often have comments about shy leavers been laughed at and derided? Cue, they won't get 52% comfort blankets now incoming....
Everyone knows there’s all sorts of issues that people might be unhappy with but what are they and what is Farage planning to do about them?
Your last paragraph looks like you think voting for Farage gives you some kind of revenge for people laughing at you?
You voted brexit, then you’re unhappy people saying you’re a thick racist so now you’re voting for Farage to teach them a lesson?
oyster said:
If the Brexit Party (plus perhaps UKIP combined) gets less than 50%, surely there is still no 'clear message' for 'no deal'.
There would still be more than 50% against 'no deal', in which case Parliament might actually be in touch with the mood of the nation.
Also is there any way of knowing that 100% of TBP voters want no-deal?
I voted Farage today. I'm definitely not in favour of no deal over even TM's deal, but am in favour of no deal over remain. I figure a vote for Farage is the best way to get 2nd referendum MPs to back a deal, rather than continuing to politik about.There would still be more than 50% against 'no deal', in which case Parliament might actually be in touch with the mood of the nation.
Also is there any way of knowing that 100% of TBP voters want no-deal?
El stovey said:
What are the complex issues and how will Farage fix them?
The 'complex' issue is that we voted to leave the EU and our MPs are trying to ensure that we don't. Farage will solve that by forcing Parliament to mitigate the upcoming avalanche, which will either work or precipitate an election. Then the clearout will take place.Doesn't it worry you that if you can't see something so obvious, you might be missing some other crucial things too?
El stovey said:
FiF said:
You don't know how I've voted so get lost with your assumptions. It was simply an observation on the current situation. Accept that or go forth...
I couldn’t care less how you voted.What are the complex issues and how will Farage fix them?
The issues being discussed were nothing to do with Brexit, so not relevant to Farage, but the superior attitude adopted was absolutely symptomatic of that shown regarding Brexit, i.e. a position taken of being a member of the "educated elite" ( in quote marks for the correct reason btw) and therefore automatically knowing better than anyone else, yet anyone, like me, on the sidelines listening to the argument who knew the individual to be completely incapable of dealing with some quite basic issues in everyday real life then found it both amusing and dispiriting in equal measure.
Those who can't or don't want to understand the point are then probably part of the problem.
Tuna said:
chrispmartha said:
I’m not really complaining about being called anything, and I would suggest there’s a little confirmation bias in what you’re seeing, if we take this forum as an example I personally think there’s far more abuse (that’s a little strong but can’t think of a better word right now) thrown at people on the remain side, but I fully admit that will also be conformation bias at play.
A few volumes ago, whilst waiting for a curry to be delivered, I did a quick count up of insults to see which side was 'rudest' - ie. using negative, derogatory language about the others.paulrockliffe said:
The 'complex' issue is that we voted to leave the EU and our MPs are trying to ensure that we don't. Farage will solve that by forcing Parliament to mitigate the upcoming avalanche, which will either work or precipitate an election. Then the clearout will take place.
Doesn't it worry you that if you can't see something so obvious, you might be missing some other crucial things too?
It's not obvious because it's just your fantasy.Doesn't it worry you that if you can't see something so obvious, you might be missing some other crucial things too?
We are in the process of leaving. A50 has been triggered.
You see a vote for Farage as trying to force your desired form of bexit. One which parliament has already ruled out. Your referendum ballot slip did not say how or when the UK would leave. You left that to parliament.
I could sort of understand leaver frustration if nothing had happened since the referendum and we had not triggered A50, but that is not the case.
El stovey said:
What exactly is your point?
Just state clearly what you’re unhappy about and how you think Farage will fix it?
I'm trying to figure out why TBP appears to have such huge support - and the point is that I doubt many people actually think voting for TBP in the Euro elections will 'fix' anything. Just state clearly what you’re unhappy about and how you think Farage will fix it?
You're asking the question because you think the other side doesn't have a good answer. I think you're right, they don't. But that doesn't negate the reasons for voting for him, change people's minds or 'win' the debate. The question is irrelevant (though I'll answer it if you like, at the end of this post) - they're not voting for things to be fixed, but for things to change.
I think a big enough win for Farage will force both the Conservatives and Labour to actually respond to the huge external criticism they've been facing for much of the last three years. It is almost beyond comprehension that May is still in power and pursuing such a broken deal - and that a strong result for The Brexit Party will break that particular log jam and see her out by the end of the week. I believe a huge number of voters think the same. No Farage won't 'fix' things, he'll force the two main parties to face up to their responsibilities.
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That said, my experience in this whole process is that every communication with people in power has been met with dismissal and them telling me what their official party line is. The Conservatives, LibDems and Labour fail to represent my views. I've spoken to them a couple of times as an expert in fields that they were legislating on, and in each case was told that my view, bourne from experience, was not their priority.
The disaster delivering Brexit was quite predictable. Even faced with the insanity of May's reign, they're still unable to make a move to improve things. And the language from so many people (including you) is "this is the way it has to be, these things cannot be changed".
The jury is completely out on The Brexit Party. We'll find out when (if) they produce a manifesto whether they can deliver something new. But just for the possibility that non-establishment figures, with interest and passion in their subjects might come up with something not embedded in the dogma of internal politics, I want them to continue. I have no interest in Farage, but he's bringing together a really interesting mix of people. Looking at the tired old farts in parliament, that's a good thing.
paulrockliffe said:
El stovey said:
What are the complex issues and how will Farage fix them?
The 'complex' issue is that we voted to leave the EU and our MPs are trying to ensure that we don't. Farage will solve that by forcing Parliament to mitigate the upcoming avalanche, which will either work or precipitate an election. Then the clearout will take place.Doesn't it worry you that if you can't see something so obvious, you might be missing some other crucial things too?
The real issues are austerity, climate change, globalism and capitalism where individuals or companies pay next to nothing and the CEO has hundreds of time more pay this is the real issue, oh and let's throw in overpopulation another issue that is mainly unspoken......
Sway said:
El stovey said:
paulrockliffe said:
The establishment then took that as the starting point for 'compromise', took the piss and now the house is going to be burned down with them in it.
But nothing’s getting burned down. There aren’t any seismic changes. Just some people voting for one self serving politician instead of another. When have we seen similar to the likes of Soubry standing under a clear leave manifesto whilst doing anything but?
At last count, something like 250 sitting MPs have completely ignored the core aspects of the manifesto they were elected under. That's unprecedented, and shows a huge breakdown in democratic structures.
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