Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

[B'stard Child]

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

El stovey said:

paulrockliffe said:

The establishment then took that as the starting point for 'compromise', took the piss and now the house is going to be burned down with them in it.

But nothing’s getting burned down. There aren’t any seismic changes. Just some people voting for one self serving politician instead of another.

Do you really not think that in recent years the respect for the manifesto has dropped massively?

When have we seen similar to the likes of Soubry standing under a clear leave manifesto whilst doing anything but?

At last count, something like 250 sitting MPs have completely ignored the core aspects of the manifesto they were elected under. That's unprecedented, and shows a huge breakdown in democratic structures.

Most support the WA which meets the manifesto pledges. It is the no deal brexiters who want to abandon the manifesto promises on a frictionless border with the EU and no border in Ireland.

Ahh yes the most that passed the WA and means we are leaving

It's working really well - something about Politics getting in the way

[Tuna]

chrispmartha said:

The amount of insults isn't a good guide, it could be one poster throwing out a lot of insults versus a lot of posters throwing out fewer insults. did you include the number of posters doing the insulting? I could be wrong as I really haven't the time nor the inclination but my perception is that there are more Leavers on here. But as I say I understand conformation bias plays a big role in perception.

I looked at each original post (ignoring quotes) - checked whether it featured a derogatory comment about the other side, and if the poster was clearly identifiable as either leave or remain, gave them a point for that post. So the total was for how many posts each poster had made that insulted their opponents. And then that gave a total number of 'rude Remain posts' v's 'rude Leave posts'.

Not a geek at all, honest guv.

[Squiddly Diddly]

B'stard Child said:

Have we left???

Be patient.

[chrispmartha]

Toaster said:

The real issues are austerity, climate change, globalism and capitalism where individuals or companies pay next to nothing and the CEO has hundreds of time more pay this is the real issue, oh and let's throw in overpopulation another issue that is mainly unspoken......

This I 100% agree with, the Brexit issue has got so many people worked up it's as though EU membership is the only issue our country faces, IMO its way down on the list, this is why I'm pretty disappointed that a party with only one policy is getting so much traction.

We have many many issues that need tackling in our country and they are being sidelined.

[paulrockliffe]

Squiddly Diddly said:

We are in the process of leaving. A50 has been triggered.

Go on then, explain the steps from here that lead to us leaving the EU? Try to just include the ones that will happen.

[anonymous-user]

paulrockliffe said:

El stovey said:

What are the complex issues and how will Farage fix them?

The 'complex' issue is that we voted to leave the EU and our MPs are trying to ensure that we don't. Farage will solve that by forcing Parliament to mitigate the upcoming avalanche, which will either work or precipitate an election. Then the clearout will take place.

Doesn't it worry you that if you can't see something so obvious, you might be missing some other crucial things too?

What’s obvious? You’re just making vague comments. Those aren’t facts or even statements.

The central part I’ve highlighted is the only answer you’ve provided and it’s vague guesswork.

What is the “upcoming avalanche”? What exactly will it force parliament to do?

Do you think they’ll,

Negotiate another deal and then approve it?
Vote through May’s deal?
Vote to leave with no deal?

Why will this “precipitate an election” what will the “clearout be”

Does that mean you think the brexit party will win this election?

[chrispmartha]

Tuna said:

chrispmartha said:

The amount of insults isn't a good guide, it could be one poster throwing out a lot of insults versus a lot of posters throwing out fewer insults. did you include the number of posters doing the insulting? I could be wrong as I really haven't the time nor the inclination but my perception is that there are more Leavers on here. But as I say I understand conformation bias plays a big role in perception.

I looked at each original post (ignoring quotes) - checked whether it featured a derogatory comment about the other side, and if the poster was clearly identifiable as either leave or remain, gave them a point for that post. So the total was for how many posts each poster had made that insulted their opponents. And then that gave a total number of 'rude Remain posts' v's 'rude Leave posts'.

Not a geek at all, honest guv.

And the results?

Did you note the actual insults thrown, that would be quite interesting :-)

[gooner1]

alfie2244 said:

Squiddly Diddly said:

alfie2244 said:

Good old Squiddly the Duvet Queen...........his chromatophores are definitely showing his true colours now.

I can't stand Farage, I have made no secret of that.

I am not alone.

Not that many of you it would seem...........Did you sign this petition?

https://www.change.org/p/the-scientific-community-...

Squaddly Doddley does have a certain ring to it.

[paulrockliffe]

Toaster said:

paulrockliffe said:

El stovey said:

What are the complex issues and how will Farage fix them?

The 'complex' issue is that we voted to leave the EU and our MPs are trying to ensure that we don't. Farage will solve that by forcing Parliament to mitigate the upcoming avalanche, which will either work or precipitate an election. Then the clearout will take place.

Doesn't it worry you that if you can't see something so obvious, you might be missing some other crucial things too?

Leave means leave is not a plan, it is retoric that a simple person wishes to hear. Leaving the EU is complex, "we" is not all encompassing your comments sound like "I", 17.4 million did vote to leave and 16.1 million did not, so where is the compromise? let alone a plan so as a country we do not get shafted. you may want to leave others wish to remain others would like a compromise no one is "right" Farage is a right wing elitist politician I detest the man as much as I detest Corbyn, Cameron and May.

The real issues are austerity, climate change, globalism and capitalism where individuals or companies pay next to nothing and the CEO has hundreds of time more pay this is the real issue, oh and let's throw in overpopulation another issue that is mainly unspoken......

When you say 'Leave means leave' which was May's phrase, not something a leaver has ever said, you miss the point. The point now is that if the Government cannot take us out of the EU, then we need another Government.

[chrispmartha]

paulrockliffe said:

Toaster said:

paulrockliffe said:

El stovey said:

What are the complex issues and how will Farage fix them?

The 'complex' issue is that we voted to leave the EU and our MPs are trying to ensure that we don't. Farage will solve that by forcing Parliament to mitigate the upcoming avalanche, which will either work or precipitate an election. Then the clearout will take place.

Doesn't it worry you that if you can't see something so obvious, you might be missing some other crucial things too?

Leave means leave is not a plan, it is retoric that a simple person wishes to hear. Leaving the EU is complex, "we" is not all encompassing your comments sound like "I", 17.4 million did vote to leave and 16.1 million did not, so where is the compromise? let alone a plan so as a country we do not get shafted. you may want to leave others wish to remain others would like a compromise no one is "right" Farage is a right wing elitist politician I detest the man as much as I detest Corbyn, Cameron and May.

The real issues are austerity, climate change, globalism and capitalism where individuals or companies pay next to nothing and the CEO has hundreds of time more pay this is the real issue, oh and let's throw in overpopulation another issue that is mainly unspoken......

When you say 'Leave means leave' which was May's phrase, not something a leaver has ever said, you miss the point. The point now is that if the Government cannot take us out of the EU, then we need another Government.

Not something a leaver has ever said ? :-)

Of course not it's not like they set up a website or nothing
https://www.leavemeansleave.eu

Your main man was even vice chairman

https://www.leavemeansleave.eu/nigel-farage-joins-...

[Scootersp]

TeamD said:

Scootersp said:

TeamD said:

Scootersp said:

TeamD said:

Not a hope, that would have been the end for ever.

and rightly so, but any leaver dissent afterwards would have been quashed by the media/state and not given any airtime. No endless stories of "We will lose the pound" and being forced to the Euro, no hysterical talk of "The Superstate will rule us all" or emotive headlines like "RAF will be disbanded to join EUAF" to get the leavers all riled up and self righteous.

Government had the power at the start to gather us all onto a path (even if their heart wasn't totally in it) where we would have had a small % of vocal remainers, but also many just resigned to the process and others looking forward to it, but they just simply didn't choose to.

Come again? Don't know what you're trying to say.

What I am saying is if remain had won with 52% then the things that could have been published (the sensational headlines I made up above) and promoted to try and get a leaver movement motivated/riled up to try and overturn the result would I believe have been hindered from every official source.

With the result being that with the same initial divide in opinion (bearing in mind a large part of the population didn't vote and were 'on the fence' ) lots of leavers would have softened to accept the winning position.

ie the reverse of what we have now where anti Brexit/pro remain feelings were/are not quelled from what I can see, some would say actively and positively encouraged?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what that all meant was, "Remainers are poor losers"?

Or with more substance, that those with power/influence and that aren't keen on the result will use that to promote/push the narrowly losing sides case/viewpoint.

Whereas if leave had lost, there would have been some bad losers there too no doubt, but I believe little media/political traction would have been there to further there cause/keep the dream alive.

[Cohen123]

Mrr T said:

Most support the WA which meets the manifesto pledges. It is the no deal brexiters who want to abandon the manifesto promises on a frictionless border with the EU and no border in Ireland.

[paulrockliffe]

chrispmartha said:

paulrockliffe said:

Toaster said:

paulrockliffe said:

El stovey said:

What are the complex issues and how will Farage fix them?

The 'complex' issue is that we voted to leave the EU and our MPs are trying to ensure that we don't. Farage will solve that by forcing Parliament to mitigate the upcoming avalanche, which will either work or precipitate an election. Then the clearout will take place.

Doesn't it worry you that if you can't see something so obvious, you might be missing some other crucial things too?

Leave means leave is not a plan, it is retoric that a simple person wishes to hear. Leaving the EU is complex, "we" is not all encompassing your comments sound like "I", 17.4 million did vote to leave and 16.1 million did not, so where is the compromise? let alone a plan so as a country we do not get shafted. you may want to leave others wish to remain others would like a compromise no one is "right" Farage is a right wing elitist politician I detest the man as much as I detest Corbyn, Cameron and May.

The real issues are austerity, climate change, globalism and capitalism where individuals or companies pay next to nothing and the CEO has hundreds of time more pay this is the real issue, oh and let's throw in overpopulation another issue that is mainly unspoken......

When you say 'Leave means leave' which was May's phrase, not something a leaver has ever said, you miss the point. The point now is that if the Government cannot take us out of the EU, then we need another Government.

Not something a leaver has ever said ? :-)

Of course not it's not like they set up a website or nothing
https://www.leavemeansleave.eu

Sorry, I'm talking about the Government. It's May's phrase, a remainer delivering remain.

[anonymous-user]

gooner1 said:

El stovey said:

Because he was talking about the mood of the nation.

Which you then went on to deny he had any knowledge off, which to me, at least,
seems to be a predetermined notion of yours.
Which makes your question seem superfluous.

Someone was talking about the mood of the nation and I asked what he thought it was.

Are you saying I can’t ask what he thought it was?

By your logic, you shouldn’t be asking me why I asked because you’ve got a predetermined notion about my question?

Which is obviously nonsense.

[paulrockliffe]

Cohen123 said:

Mrr T said:

Most support the WA which meets the manifesto pledges. It is the no deal brexiters who want to abandon the manifesto promises on a frictionless border with the EU and no border in Ireland.

What you need to understand is that the more clever people like Mr T repeat themselves, the more likely it is that us thick leavers will suddenly understand and vote Lib Dem.

[j_4m]

Realistically, it doesn't matter who you vote into the European Parliament. The EP is an ineffective institution and we're electing 73 people to represent the interests of 66 million amongst a wider population of ~440 million.

MEPs are totally useless, the European elections are just a litmus test for the UK electorate's general feeling ahead of a GE.

[Sway]

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

El stovey said:

paulrockliffe said:

The establishment then took that as the starting point for 'compromise', took the piss and now the house is going to be burned down with them in it.

But nothing’s getting burned down. There aren’t any seismic changes. Just some people voting for one self serving politician instead of another.

Do you really not think that in recent years the respect for the manifesto has dropped massively?

When have we seen similar to the likes of Soubry standing under a clear leave manifesto whilst doing anything but?

At last count, something like 250 sitting MPs have completely ignored the core aspects of the manifesto they were elected under. That's unprecedented, and shows a huge breakdown in democratic structures.

Most support the WA which meets the manifesto pledges. It is the no deal brexiters who want to abandon the manifesto promises on a frictionless border with the EU and no border in Ireland.

Oh come off it - you're better than that sort of semantic bullst.

"We have made them a colony" shows exactly how well it meets the manifesto pledges.

You have in the past acknowledged there are ways for essentially frictionless customs borders, but have concerns over how much and how long it would take.

On that basis, there is absolutely zero reason for the WA to not include any one of the three options below to truly meet the manifesto commitments:

• Objective measures to prevent backstop kick in, or automatic notice for removal of the backstop.

• An independent arbitration panel relating to the commencement or recinding of the backstop.

• a predetermined timelimit, based upon a scoped and planned solution design created by both the UK and RoI.

I've not yet heard a single coherent argument why any one of those three options is unreasonable, in comparison to the current onerous clauses that have only been signed by a nation unilaterally surrendering during a time of war.

[p1stonhead]

j_4m said:

Realistically, it doesn't matter who you vote into the European Parliament. The EP is an ineffective institution and we're electing 73 people to represent the interests of 66 million amongst a wider population of ~440 million.

MEPs are totally useless, the European elections are just a litmus test for the UK electorate's general feeling ahead of a GE.

I thought today was the day we go out to vote to elect all of those unelected bureaucrats?

[Tony427]

chrispmartha said:

B'stard Child said:

El stovey said:

So exactly what is changing, or will change after you vote for Farage?

You keep taking about these massive changes but don’t seem to be able to name any.

What exactly will Farage do that will improve the UK?

Step 1 - give a clear message to HoC - no fudges - ditch TM’s deal - prepare for no deal and exit

And if no deal still doesn’t get through the HoC?

It will most definitely get through the next.

[Squiddly Diddly]

paulrockliffe said:

Go on then, explain the steps from here that lead to us leaving the EU? Try to just include the ones that will happen.

Eventually we will leave with either a deal or with no deal. The latter is currently unacceptable to both the UK and EU but that may not always be the case.

Brexit Party MEP's will have no ability for force either.