Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

[gooner1]

smn159 said:

So what? A 'proper (hard) Brexit is a niche interest. If Brexit happens at all it's going to be one with close ties to the EU.

Farrage is pissing in the wind, as he well knows. He's made a career of shouting from the sidelines though, so I expect that he's OK with that.

His " shouting from the sidelines" was enough to panic the government of the day,
into giving the UK the referendum.
Who knows what the echoes will produce, they certainly seem to have a few on this few
thread a trifle concerned.

[smn159]

gooner1 said:

His " shouting from the sidelines" was enough to panic the government of the day,
into giving the UK the referendum.

It was more about Cameron trying to hold the Tory party together IIRC.

[Down and out]

smn159 said:

So what? A 'proper (hard) Brexit is a niche interest. If Brexit happens at all it's going to be one with close ties to the EU.

Farrage is pissing in the wind, as he well knows. He's made a career of shouting from the sidelines though, so I expect that he's OK with that.

Did you expect leave to win the referendum?
I have a feeling you're pretty crap at predictions. It's Farage not Farrage btw.

Here's a clip for you again, always makes me laugh when people mock and then are proved wrong.
https://youtu.be/g0fA7inVhTs

Edited by Down and out on Thursday 25th April 16:47

[Scootersp]

Piha said:

Scootersp said:

Piha said:

Has Farrage ever been an MP? What does he have to offer in EU negotiations?

MEP since 1999 I believe so at the very least he knows the other EU members better than most British MP's?

So just to be clear, Farrage has never been a MP and has achieved absolutely nothing of note as a MEP.

How often did he attend the EU parliament and contributed constructively?

Well what MEP has by any metric their input/achievements are not general presented to us, most people barely know any of them, who is your favourite and what was his/her biggest achievement for example? If he actually believes (and he must else he would have just settled in to the MEP Ad nauseam) that it's best to be out of the EU then he may well have achieved a lot, arguable more than any other UK MEP, certainly in his head at least. That right now depends largely on your own positive/negative view of the effect of Brexit.

"Contributed constructively" is again open to interpretation, a parliament needs opposition, those that others in the same parliament would rather weren't there, the ones that say things to stir things up or promote a view generally not accepted, if that results in absolutely zero support they never get a following either personally or for their ideas do they? If they do then it's coming from somewhere like it or not?

Googling his videos in the parliament, among getting carried away at times he challenges some interesting points of what the EU does, who it chooses to 'take to task' and who it might ignore. I would say a big part of contributing constructively is just simply contributing, ie being there (on that how many times have we seen the House of Commons pretty much empty) arguing your points, clashing with opposition, representing your constituents.

Many would argue lots of MP's (that I think you hold in somehow higher regard) have hardly been contributing constructively either?

[smn159]

Down and out said:

smn159 said:

So what? A 'proper (hard) Brexit is a niche interest. If Brexit happens at all it's going to be one with close ties to the EU.

Farrage is pissing in the wind, as he well knows. He's made a career of shouting from the sidelines though, so I expect that he's OK with that.

Did you expect leave to win the referendum?
I have a feeling you're pretty crap at predictions. It's Farage not Farrage btw.

Great, please report back when you achieve your hard Brexit.

How's it going so far?

[Down and out]

smn159 said:

Great, please report back when you achieve your hard Brexit.

How's it going so far?

Undemocratically.

[irocfan]

And then she said:

Why would remainers be rattled?

Hard Brexit has been comprehensively defeated and isn't coming back. We're now faced with BRINO at worst but, hey, Brexit means Brexit, eh kids?

I remain convinced that by hook or by crook, we won't leave the EU. It's the will of the politicians, 2019+
]

FTFY (I've bolded the bit amended so that no-one attributes that to you )

[Randy Winkman]

crankedup said:

Randy Winkman said:

crankedup said:

And when the demo.ition of the Tory and Labour Party are complete we will all have new Parties from which to place our political faith into. Clearly the current established Parties have squandered thier positions over several decades.

Do you think he'll play any part in getting these new parties going?

He already has!

Fair point. What I really meant was will he play a part in things once the UK has left the EU? i.e. to establish what a new party stands for other than leaving the EU. If you go to the Brexit party website it's hard to see what the party stands for other than just Brexit.

[irocfan]

smn159 said:

Setting himself up as a 'man of the people' against a corrupt elite is a tactic straight out of the Trump playbook and the very definition of right wing populism.

now that actually sounds just like jizzer corbyn

Piha said:

Has Farrage ever been an MP? What does he have to offer in EU negotiations?

has Oily Robbins ever even been voted into any seat (Euro or UK?) - what did he have to offer?

[alfie2244]

Randy Winkman said:

Fair point. What I really meant was will he play a part in things once the UK has left the EU? i.e. to establish what a new party stands for other than leaving the EU. If you go to the Brexit party website it's hard to see what the party stands for other than just Brexit.

I may have this wrong but I am certain that before the Brexit Party went "live" as such there was a lot of speculation about the forming of a new national party called the Patriotic Alliance and IIRC they had a link on their initial website where policy suggestions could be made.

Perhaps once the Brexit party has achieved it's one and only aim - i.e. Brexit, then maybe the Patriotic party might become active.

All absolutely guesswork on my part.

http://thepatrioticalliance.co.uk/wp-content/theme...

[crankedup]

smn159 said:

crankedup said:

Are you overlooking the facts?
Farage has been ‘at it’ for twenty years, upsetting the EU Parliament with his outrageous posing and shouting out regarding the U.K. leaving the EU. In return they laughed at him, as Farage has since told them ‘well, your not laughing now are you!’.
Trump pandered to the disaffected electorate and look where that got him. U.K. politicians are sitting up and noticing what he is up to, but are powerless to stop him, unless they push through a proper brexit. And that is whatFarage and his Brexit Party’s growing number of membership is doing.
Don’t forget that 75% of the constituencies are leave voting majority.

So what? A 'proper (hard) Brexit is a niche interest. If Brexit happens at all it's going to be one with close ties to the EU.

Farrage is pissing in the wind, as he well knows. He's made a career of shouting from the sidelines though, so I expect that he's OK with that.

I guess you come from the ‘remainer camp’, am I correct ?

[Gribs]

Scootersp said:

I would say a big part of contributing constructively is just simply contributing, ie being there (on that how many times have we seen the House of Commons pretty much empty) arguing your points, clashing with opposition, representing your constituents.

That's something you can't accuse Farage of, considering his attendance and voting record are appalling.

https://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-nigel-farage-2.h...

[crankedup]

gooner1 said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Farage offered May his services to help us leave the EU, his offer was rejected.

No way will all 17m turn out for the Euro election, but a good number of them will which will help BP win the majority.

That number won't be able to turn out, there are 9/10 councils thar for varying
reasons won't be holding elections this year.

My useless bunch of s being one of them. Grrr.

I have asked this before but I'll try again, is there a % of UK not holding elections, and
therefore no EU candidate, that would render the elections void, unlawful?

In which case the U.K. is breaking EU regulations by not offering a voting card to the electorate. EU elections null and void for sure.

[crankedup]

smn159 said:

crankedup said:

U.K. politicians are sitting up and noticing what he is up to, but are powerless to stop him, unless they push through a proper brexit. And that is whatFarage and his Brexit Party’s growing number of membership is doing.

Oh, and those favouring a 'proper' Brexit, notably but not restricted to the ERG, have shown no evidence so far of being able to organise a piss up in a brewery

Doesn't bode well for your glorious revolution

Not one of our sitting MPs are you, you know the type with thier head stuck up thier arse!

[alfie2244]

crankedup said:

gooner1 said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Farage offered May his services to help us leave the EU, his offer was rejected.

No way will all 17m turn out for the Euro election, but a good number of them will which will help BP win the majority.

That number won't be able to turn out, there are 9/10 councils thar for varying
reasons won't be holding elections this year.

My useless bunch of s being one of them. Grrr.

I have asked this before but I'll try again, is there a % of UK not holding elections, and
therefore no EU candidate, that would render the elections void, unlawful?

In which case the U.K. is breaking EU regulations by not offering a voting card to the electorate. EU elections null and void for sure.

I thought EU elections were regional not constituencies....am I due a a parrot?

[smn159]

crankedup said:

smn159 said:

crankedup said:

U.K. politicians are sitting up and noticing what he is up to, but are powerless to stop him, unless they push through a proper brexit. And that is whatFarage and his Brexit Party’s growing number of membership is doing.

Oh, and those favouring a 'proper' Brexit, notably but not restricted to the ERG, have shown no evidence so far of being able to organise a piss up in a brewery

Doesn't bode well for your glorious revolution

Not one of our sitting MPs are you, you know the type with thier head stuck up thier arse!

Speaking of which, you are Mark Francois AICM£5

[crankedup]

Randy Winkman said:

crankedup said:

Randy Winkman said:

crankedup said:

And when the demo.ition of the Tory and Labour Party are complete we will all have new Parties from which to place our political faith into. Clearly the current established Parties have squandered thier positions over several decades.

Do you think he'll play any part in getting these new parties going?

He already has!

Fair point. What I really meant was will he play a part in things once the UK has left the EU? i.e. to establish what a new party stands for other than leaving the EU. If you go to the Brexit party website it's hard to see what the party stands for other than just Brexit.

TBH I am perfectly at ease with the Brexit Party simply shaking the political tree, it’s about time
For too long our political system has been just two parties sharing the spoils and ignoring the electorate imo.
I say again, it is perfectly possible that the Brexit Party could develop into a mainstream political option for the electorate to consider. True enough at the moment it is simply there to assist the leave voters be treated fairly and the HoC deliver what we voted for.

[crankedup]

smn159 said:

crankedup said:

smn159 said:

crankedup said:

U.K. politicians are sitting up and noticing what he is up to, but are powerless to stop him, unless they push through a proper brexit. And that is whatFarage and his Brexit Party’s growing number of membership is doing.

Oh, and those favouring a 'proper' Brexit, notably but not restricted to the ERG, have shown no evidence so far of being able to organise a piss up in a brewery

Doesn't bode well for your glorious revolution

Not one of our sitting MPs are you, you know the type with thier head stuck up thier arse!

Speaking of which, you are Mark Francois AICM£5

What a lazy rebuff that is, I was hoping you might be smarter than simply reversing my post.
Oh well, expectations and hope all but shattered

[crankedup]

alfie2244 said:

crankedup said:

gooner1 said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Farage offered May his services to help us leave the EU, his offer was rejected.

No way will all 17m turn out for the Euro election, but a good number of them will which will help BP win the majority.

That number won't be able to turn out, there are 9/10 councils thar for varying
reasons won't be holding elections this year.

My useless bunch of s being one of them. Grrr.

I have asked this before but I'll try again, is there a % of UK not holding elections, and
therefore no EU candidate, that would render the elections void, unlawful?

In which case the U.K. is breaking EU regulations by not offering a voting card to the electorate. EU elections null and void for sure.

I thought EU elections were regional not constituencies....am I due a a parrot?

No parrot due, you are absolutely spot on, they are regional.

[Scootersp]

Gribs said:

Scootersp said:

I would say a big part of contributing constructively is just simply contributing, ie being there (on that how many times have we seen the House of Commons pretty much empty) arguing your points, clashing with opposition, representing your constituents.

That's something you can't accuse Farage of, considering his attendance and voting record are appalling.

https://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-nigel-farage-2.h...

Can't argue with that! that is poor form..........you'd expect there would be a minimum criteria/% (or maximum they can miss without extenuating circumstances) for an MEP to have to abide by? Making less than 50% seems ridiculous?