Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
Discussion
barryrs said:
Wheres the Unity with your European brethren?
Brooking10 said:
amusingduck said:
Yup, because I feel outraged about it. Greece alone was probably enough to preclude my support. It's indefensible IMO.
Which bits outraged you the most Duck ?
t, and the Greek people would just have to chow on down.Blyth: Too-Big-To-Bail Banks and Poisoning the Well of European Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNs2byq1Uc
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Why does it always come back to the EU? 
You don't need to chum up to the AfD to leave the EU.
You don't need to chum up to Fraser Anning to leave the EU.
You don't need a stty fking poster to leave the EU.
You don't need a bunch of "quality candidates" with some really fking stty views to leave the EU.
It's not about the EU.
Yes, totally, but...You don't need to chum up to the AfD to leave the EU.
You don't need to chum up to Fraser Anning to leave the EU.
You don't need a s
tty fking poster to leave the EU.You don't need a bunch of "quality candidates" with some really f
king stty views to leave the EU.It's not about the EU.
...without Farage, would there have even been a referendum? I very much doubt it. As unpalatable as much of the fringes of pro-Brexit politics is, it has served as a catalyst.
banjowilly said:
amusingduck said:
Yup, because I feel outraged about it. Greece alone was probably enough to preclude my support. It's indefensible IMO.
Right, we're getting somewhere. So the outrage you felt on behalf of a bunch of people thousands of miles away trumps one of your own compatriots & you demonstrated that by voting to make everyone, including him, worse off. Man, I admire your principled stand on things and stuffs. 
amusingduck said:
I can't re-watch at the moment, but I think this was a good video describing the narrative they spun about helping the lazy workshy Greeks rather than admit the truth, that they were digging predominantly French/German banks out of the st, and the Greek people would just have to chow on down.
Blyth: Too-Big-To-Bail Banks and Poisoning the Well of European Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNs2byq1Uc
So what specifically is it that outrages you the most ? t, and the Greek people would just have to chow on down.Blyth: Too-Big-To-Bail Banks and Poisoning the Well of European Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNs2byq1Uc
I'm no clearer from watching that bloke explain what are largely truisms.
I'm struggling to find anything in that clip that would provoke a sense of outrage.
banjowilly said:
Screw the Greeks, they're the authors of their own misfortune. . . . . . . .
When the Greek issue blew up this was my initial response (not paying/collecting their taxes was a major headline at the time). But closer examination revealed that France and Germany exploited the situation in an unsavoury way to cover up their own foibles. Yes, the Greeks should not have allowed themselves to be sucked into the mess in the first place and must share the blame but they were not treated well by their comrades in Northern Europe. So much for unity, nationalism cut in and the EU governance stood by and watched.amusingduck said:
Brooking10 said:
So what specifically is it that outrages you the most ?
Most would be the treatment the Greeks received during the crisis that the EU were complicit, if not instrumental, in bringing about. A club that treats it's members like that is not a club I'd want to be in.How do you feel about the Greeks apparently fudging the Maastricht criteria in their desire to join the Euro and then subsequently having to 'fess up that they were skint prompting the onset of the slew of lending ?
Digga said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Why does it always come back to the EU?
You don't need to chum up to the AfD to leave the EU.
You don't need to chum up to Fraser Anning to leave the EU.
You don't need a stty fking poster to leave the EU.
You don't need a bunch of "quality candidates" with some really fking stty views to leave the EU.
It's not about the EU.
Yes, totally, but...You don't need to chum up to the AfD to leave the EU.
You don't need to chum up to Fraser Anning to leave the EU.
You don't need a s
tty fking poster to leave the EU.You don't need a bunch of "quality candidates" with some really f
king stty views to leave the EU.It's not about the EU.
...without Farage, would there have even been a referendum? I very much doubt it. As unpalatable as much of the fringes of pro-Brexit politics is, it has served as a catalyst.
What I don't understand is why those fringes are so full of unpalatable people.
When you think about it it really doesn't make sense that all of the bad stuff above should have anything at all to do with wanting to leave the EU.
And of course we know it doesn't because there are plenty of people who wish to leave who wouldn't go near Farage because of how toxic his politics are.
So you're left with intelligent people giving money to a man with his track record whilst claiming to abhor the things he says and does.
Beats the s
t out of me.Brooking10 said:
amusingduck said:
Brooking10 said:
So what specifically is it that outrages you the most ?
Most would be the treatment the Greeks received during the crisis that the EU were complicit, if not instrumental, in bringing about. A club that treats it's members like that is not a club I'd want to be in.How do you feel about the Greeks apparently fudging the Maastricht criteria in their desire to join the Euro and then subsequently having to 'fess up that they were skint prompting the onset of the slew of lending ?
They definitely fudged it - their Finance Minister was called The Magician for gods sake!
Either the EU were too stupid to notice that (doubtful), or they were simply recklessly advancing the project and hoping it'd be be just fine later on. Much as they do with the Euro in general. I can't see how it's not going to implode at some point down the line, Germany don't seem at all open to making fiscal transfers to the southern states - what I understand is necessary for the Euro's survival - and without it I can't see how it can survive. Rather be as far away as practical if/when that happens.
stongle makes excellent, informative posts about this in the Europe heading into recession thread - highly recommended
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Perhaps, I'll give him some credit for that though I don't know enough about Conservative infighting to know how likely it would have been without him stirring it up in the background.
What I don't understand is why those fringes are so full of unpalatable people.
When you think about it it really doesn't make sense that all of the bad stuff above should have anything at all to do with wanting to leave the EU.
And of course we know it doesn't because there are plenty of people who wish to leave who wouldn't go near Farage because of how toxic his politics are.
So you're left with intelligent people giving money to a man with his track record whilst claiming to abhor the things he says and does.
Beats the st out of me.
What’s to understand? To those people, who feel disenfranchised for one reason or another, he is the best of a terrible bunch - he’s the only one giving them any hope.What I don't understand is why those fringes are so full of unpalatable people.
When you think about it it really doesn't make sense that all of the bad stuff above should have anything at all to do with wanting to leave the EU.
And of course we know it doesn't because there are plenty of people who wish to leave who wouldn't go near Farage because of how toxic his politics are.
So you're left with intelligent people giving money to a man with his track record whilst claiming to abhor the things he says and does.
Beats the s
t out of me.Garvin said:
What’s to understand? To those people, who feel disenfranchised for one reason or another, he is the best of a terrible bunch - he’s the only one giving them any hope.
As I've said frequently, PistonHeads has a very different view on Corbyn to Farage.They both offer a section of society hope.
They both have some very interesting "friends".
Corbyn's mob have issues with anti-Semitism.
Farage never seems too far from people with anti-Islamic or racist tendencies like Trump and Anning and the AfD and quite a few of his "quality candidates".
It's a remarkable double-standard.
I also think you only get so far with the "feel disenfranchised" line.
Most people who weren't dragged up know that when something walks like a duck and quacks, it's probably a duck.
amusingduck said:
Yup, specifically for the benefit of French/German banks who made bad loans, but it's ok because the next 4 generations of Greeks will bail them out. Heads I win, Tails you lose.
They definitely fudged it - their Finance Minister was called The Magician for gods sake!
Either the EU were too stupid to notice that (doubtful), or they were simply recklessly advancing the project and hoping it'd be be just fine later on. Much as they do with the Euro in general. I can't see how it's not going to implode at some point down the line, Germany don't seem at all open to making fiscal transfers to the southern states - what I understand is necessary for the Euro's survival - and without it I can't see how it can survive. Rather be as far away as practical if/when that happens.
stongle makes excellent, informative posts about this in the Europe heading into recession thread - highly recommended
I like Stongle’s posts, but don’t always agree with them They definitely fudged it - their Finance Minister was called The Magician for gods sake!
Either the EU were too stupid to notice that (doubtful), or they were simply recklessly advancing the project and hoping it'd be be just fine later on. Much as they do with the Euro in general. I can't see how it's not going to implode at some point down the line, Germany don't seem at all open to making fiscal transfers to the southern states - what I understand is necessary for the Euro's survival - and without it I can't see how it can survive. Rather be as far away as practical if/when that happens.
stongle makes excellent, informative posts about this in the Europe heading into recession thread - highly recommended
He and I work in worlds there is some degree of overlap, usually when things go wrong.That Greece was admitted to engineer a collapse is a nonsense. That NE banks profited is undeniable though, as is the fact that the line between paying the piper and ensuring the piper actually stays alive is a blurry one.
Brooking10 said:
That Greece was admitted to engineer a collapse is a nonsense.
100%, and I'm not saying that. It doesn't benefit the EU for Greece to collapse, but they played fast and loose and Greece ultimately paid the price. They're nowhere near blameless, but I blame the EU far more.amusingduck said:
TTwiggy said:
amusingduck said:
Me too! The trading bloc, that is. It's the inseparable bullst bolt-ons which are unacceptable 
Which ones specifically? It's just that I've never felt the effect of any of them. Have you?t bolt-ons which are unacceptable Hell, just the Euro generally. Lunacy on a massive scale.
I have no desire for a competent additional layer of politicians and bureaucrats, let alone the likes we actually ended up with.
Greece
Euro
Politicians
The absolute state of this.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Most people who weren't dragged up know that when something walks like a duck and quacks, it's probably a duck.
At times Duck is the only thing on the menu even if you do not want all of it. The bad bits can be left on the plate and thrown away later.Brexit talks with the Eu....Barker plays a good Boris
https://youtu.be/6VrJSDOfDvg?t=152
Edited by Le Controleur Horizontal on Friday 30th August 17:46
bhstewie said:
It is....imagine what Corbyn would demand hstewie said:Le Controleur Horizontal said:
At times Duck is the only thing on the menu even if you do not want all of it. The bad bits can be left on the plate and thrown away later.
If we're doing analogies the bad bits are left on someone else's plate for them to deal with the consequences, which makes it slightly more palatable for some.Analogies only get you so far.
Nobody is forced to eat there.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: If we're doing analogies the bad bits are left on someone else's plate for them to deal with the consequences, which makes it slightly more palatable for some.
Analogies only get you so far.
Nobody is forced to eat there.
Some times we can clear up our own mess thanks and we do not need someone else, you do it seems.Analogies only get you so far.
Nobody is forced to eat there.
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