Climate protesters block roads

[andy_s]

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[Nickgnome]

Biker 1 said:

I simply don't believe the claims made for PV panels, solar thermal panels, biomass etc. Our building has solar thermal panels, which contribute less than 2% to domestic hot water, & even then, only in summer. Oh, & they were shipped from China & include a complex control system that is forever going wrong & a massive copper heat store. 'Green' it ain't.
As for hybrids: are lithium batteries really greener than petrol?????

You can believe or disbelieve whatever you like. It will not make that belief fact though.

PVs and Solar thermal are completely different.

PVs are also manufactured in Germany and the USA.

There is nothing particularly complex with a building service control system. Perhaps it was not specified or installed/commissioned correctly.

[Johnnytheboy]

Again: isn't there a thread for discussing the science of climate change somewhere else?

This is very dull for those of us that just want to mock hippies.

[Nickgnome]

TeamD said:

Global Switch.

And as for the kids playing on the M1, they've been taught not to.

I know Global Switch well. Is Andrew Pike still the MD? It’s been quite a few years so I suspect he is long since gone. They get through them quite rapidly.

I was involved with their Amsterdam facility as well.

[Biker 1]

Nickgnome said:

PVs and Solar thermal are completely different.

Errr..... they both collect energy from the sun.....
As others have said, this forum is for taking the piss out of hippies, so in the interests of decorum, I won't get any more technical.

[funkyrobot]

Nickgnome said:

TeamD said:

Global Switch.

And as for the kids playing on the M1, they've been taught not to.

I know Global Switch well. Is Andrew Pike still the MD? It’s been quite a few years so I suspect he is long since gone. They get through them quite rapidly.

I was involved with their Amsterdam facility as well.

Hang on?

You were involved in these sources of nasty world killing emissions?

I rest my case.

Back onto the discussion of hippies.

[TeamD]

Nickgnome said:

TeamD said:

Global Switch.

And as for the kids playing on the M1, they've been taught not to.

I know Global Switch well. Is Andrew Pike still the MD? It’s been quite a few years so I suspect he is long since gone. They get through them quite rapidly.

I was involved with their Amsterdam facility as well.

This is far too sensible. Can't we just get back to calling each other half-wits?

[turbobloke]

funkyrobot said:

Nickgnome said:

TeamD said:

Global Switch.

And as for the kids playing on the M1, they've been taught not to.

I know Global Switch well. Is Andrew Pike still the MD? It’s been quite a few years so I suspect he is long since gone. They get through them quite rapidly.

I was involved with their Amsterdam facility as well.

Hang on?

You were involved in these sources of nasty world killing emissions?

I rest my case.

Back onto the discussion of hippies.

We should be so lucky

[Mort7]

Nickgnome said:

On the plus side. Most of the angst ridden Ph posters will be dead and public opinion gradually swayed by the science.

A few years of crop failures and water shortages with consequent cost increase will turn the public firmly against the remaining few flat earth types.

Disturbing that you should take pleasure in the potential deaths of PHers. Of course one of the first major impacts of global warming will be rising sea levels, so someone living in a beachside property on (for example) Hayling Island will be the first to feel the effects. Still, at least you have a wetsuit.

Edited by Mort7 on Wednesday 24th April 13:38

[irocfan]

Nickgnome said:

That’s a relief you do not come across as the parenting type.

Hope you do not need any care, if or when you become infirmed.

Ahhh there we go, dickgnome indeed - I'm sure your kids will be pleased to learn that they were bred to look after you in your dotage.

[3.1416]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3359236/britains-tee...

Top quality when it comes to getting a strop on about a subject they demonstrably lack understanding of though.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Nickgnome said:

We try and learn as more information becomes available.

Built a very low energy house with flat roof for PVs.

Drive an hybrid less than 3000 miles a year. Smart car before that.

At least that’s a start.

What are you doing?

P.S. Can’t grow food btw as too exposed and have no soil.

You will still be well above the global average in terms of CO2 per capita.

You've got to ask if 7 billion people had your lifestyle and lived like you would the world be better off? The answer is no doubt no and we have no right telling others that they can't have something we already have.

Remember if you personally stopped producing any CO2 by virtue of living in the west you are still producing more CO2 than what per person billions of the poorest people on earth do. Thanks to street lights, public transport, public building schools hospitals and so on.

You say you have a hybrid how much CO2 was produced making it? Remember to count material processing the energy usage of the buildings and production lines. Transportation costs, the energy usage by the employees building and designing it coming and going to work.
Yes in time them employees can drive to work in the more efficient car they build but ultimately it all relies on fossil fuels. We use huge amount of energy and there is nothing available to replace it.

I ask earlier if we where to power all the vehicles on our roads with biofuel and we grew it at the side of the road how big would the verge need to be? The answer 7 kilometres wide on each side of the road every road. Nearly 25% of our entire land mass would need to used to produce the fuel needed.

The choices are we either revert back to subsistence farming, we continue to use fossil fuels in hope we come up with some miracle energy source. Or we destroy half the world by covering with wind farms, solar panels.

[Jinx]

Mort7 said:

Disturbing that you should take pleasure in the potential deaths of PHers. Of course one of the first major impacts of global warming will be rising sea levels, so someone living in a beachside property on (for example) Hayling Island will be the first to feel the effects. Still, at least you have a wetsuit.

IPCC AR5

Even with the climate porn scenario (RCP 8.5) nothing to fear from sea level rise for hundreds of years........ RCP 2.6 (the one that is closest to reality - temperature wise not emission wise) has 15 cm rise in 100 years. Another win for planning for adaptation being more sensible than mitigation.

[Mort7]

Jinx said:

Mort7 said:

Disturbing that you should take pleasure in the potential deaths of PHers. Of course one of the first major impacts of global warming will be rising sea levels, so someone living in a beachside property on (for example) Hayling Island will be the first to feel the effects. Still, at least you have a wetsuit.

IPCC AR5

Even with the climate porn scenario (RCP 8.5) nothing to fear from sea level rise for hundreds of years........ RCP 2.6 (the one that is closest to reality - temperature wise not emission wise) has 15 cm rise in 100 years. Another win for planning for adaptation being more sensible than mitigation.

My comments were intended to be a tongue in cheek counter to his idiotic twaddle. I'll replace the smile emoticon with a wink to make that clearer.

[Jinx]

Mort7 said:

Jinx said:

Mort7 said:

Disturbing that you should take pleasure in the potential deaths of PHers. Of course one of the first major impacts of global warming will be rising sea levels, so someone living in a beachside property on (for example) Hayling Island will be the first to feel the effects. Still, at least you have a wetsuit.

IPCC AR5

Even with the climate porn scenario (RCP 8.5) nothing to fear from sea level rise for hundreds of years........ RCP 2.6 (the one that is closest to reality - temperature wise not emission wise) has 15 cm rise in 100 years. Another win for planning for adaptation being more sensible than mitigation.

My comments were intended to be a tongue in cheek counter to his idiotic twaddle. I'll replace the smile emoticon with a wink to make that clearer.

I forgot mine in my post..... Damn end of the world cults always spring up around century and millennial changes - unfortunately this one is taking its time to disappear.

[Nickgnome]

Mort7 said:

Disturbing that you should take pleasure in the potential deaths of PHers. Of course one of the first major impacts of global warming will be rising sea levels, so someone living in a beachside property on (for example) Hayling Island will be the first to feel the effects. Still, at least you have a wetsuit.

Death and taxes are of the few certainties. I was stating a fact. Funny that you would interpret that as pleasure. Odd mindset, misspelled username perhaps?

Several, and a yacht. Our sea defences are assured as well so I won’t lose any sleep.

Edited by Nickgnome on Wednesday 24th April 13:49

[Nickgnome]

Not-The-Messiah said:

You will still be well above the global average in terms of CO2 per capita.

You've got to ask if 7 billion people had your lifestyle and lived like you would the world be better off? The answer is no doubt no and we have no right telling others that they can't have something we already have.

Remember if you personally stopped producing any CO2 by virtue of living in the west you are still producing more CO2 than what per person billions of the poorest people on earth do. Thanks to street lights, public transport, public building schools hospitals and so on.

You say you have a hybrid how much CO2 was produced making it? Remember to count material processing the energy usage of the buildings and production lines. Transportation costs, the energy usage by the employees building and designing it coming and going to work.
Yes in time them employees can drive to work in the more efficient car they build but ultimately it all relies on fossil fuels. We use huge amount of energy and there is nothing available to replace it.

I ask earlier if we where to power all the vehicles on our roads with biofuel and we grew it at the side of the road how big would the verge need to be? The answer 7 kilometres wide on each side of the road every road. Nearly 25% of our entire land mass would need to used to produce the fuel needed.

The choices are we either revert back to subsistence farming, we continue to use fossil fuels in hope we come up with some miracle energy source. Or we destroy half the world by covering with wind farms, solar panels.

Do you have the data that supports your 50% destruction claim please?

Please also advise me on the Co2 release for my car production as I have no idea.

[croyde]

I wonder how popular the blockades of London thoroughfares would have been if we had had the usual rubbish Bank Holiday weather.

There may of been a small main core of protestors but when I motorcycled through London on Saturday (It was the only way to get through the gridlocked traffic) it seemed like a big festival with food and music and it was obviously being enjoyed by many tourists.

The rest would have been students/hippies/people with time on their hands that fancied a different kind of day out.

[gooner1]

Nickgnome said:

Death and taxes are of the few certainties. I was stating a fact. Funny that you would interpret that as pleasure. Odd mindset, misspelled username perhaps?

Several, and a yacht. Our sea defences are assured as well so I won’t lose any sleep.

Edited by Nickgnome on Wednesday 24th April 13:49

It might be a good idea to avoid the spelling comments Nick. HTH.

[Nickgnome]

gooner1 said:

It might be a good idea to avoid the spelling comments Nick. HTH.

Or post on topic in your case.