Climate protesters block roads
Discussion
Dick Dastardly said:
I'm in London for work today and tomorrow and the place is absolutely littered with Extinction Rebellion stickers. Oxford Street and Kings Cross tube stations have them plastered across most adverts and I've seen them stuck to lamp posts, buses, bus stops and bins all over the city.
Isn't' this more than just a bit stupid/hypocritical? A waste of paper and also I'm assuming people will have to clean these up using some kind of chemicals.
All those ER t-shirts, clothing, and other items on the ER website (with the most extraordinary oddball prices (eg £12.78, £9.33, £11.41 Isn't' this more than just a bit stupid/hypocritical? A waste of paper and also I'm assuming people will have to clean these up using some kind of chemicals.
etc) probably all made in the Big C and similar areas. Hypocrites - the lot of 'em!
Dick Dastardly said:
I'm in London for work today and tomorrow and the place is absolutely littered with Extinction Rebellion stickers. Oxford Street and Kings Cross tube stations have them plastered across most adverts and I've seen them stuck to lamp posts, buses, bus stops and bins all over the city.
Isn't' this more than just a bit stupid/hypocritical? A waste of paper and also I'm assuming people will have to clean these up using some kind of chemicals.
We should pick up all the sIsn't' this more than just a bit stupid/hypocritical? A waste of paper and also I'm assuming people will have to clean these up using some kind of chemicals.
t they've left behind and have a big bonfire in Hyde Park to get rid of it.That's us told.
dandarez said:
All those ER t-shirts, clothing, and other items on the ER website (with the most extraordinary oddball prices (eg £12.78, £9.33, £11.41 etc) probably all made in the Big C and similar areas.
Hypocrites - the lot of 'em!
They make a big deal out of not having any 'merch' for sale etc) probably all made in the Big C and similar areas. Hypocrites - the lot of 'em!
Consequently any sweat shop produced clothing you have seen is more to do with good old capitalism than ER
COI: by no means a fan but when have the facts ever stood in the way of a good story?
Cheers
BaronVonVaderham said:
turbobloke said:
biggbn said:
Coolbanana said:
The message about Climate Change is a valid one, only those who are somewhat intellectually-challenged would still argue that there remains a debate to the contrary.
Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
Thanks for this post. Well said Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
To take but one error among many, what natural process is accelerating at the mo? Not temperature, there have been many more rapid temperature chantes to greater extents, not sea llevel which hasn't accelerated since anthropogenic emissions rose significantly, not ocean pH changes and not coral bleaching which took place at similar or greater levels in previous centuries, not wildfires, not hurricanes, not tornadoes, not arctic ice which had similar beviour centred on ~1922 and 1817, And so on.
This is a thread about misguided protests but the basis for the above is clearly going to be needed with so many credulous contributions flying around, so here's a list of peer-reviewed literature and all but two are contemporary with data (not mere opinion) by which the above statements and others are substantiated.
Don't bother asking why the information below isn't more widely known and discussed, as the above posts offer all the explanation needed.
For more either do some online searches based on the theme and authors ^^ or head over to the climate thread(s) and scroll back or do a search - beyond this point I don't see any point in adding to the catalogue of actual data (rather than faith statements) and the thread ought to get back to discussing foolish and disruptive actions / comments from the gullible and the culpable.
-Recent global warming is primarily a result of natural causes - Mao et al
-Humans do not exert fundamental control over the Earth’s climate – also Mao et al
- Results of this review point to the extreme value of CO2 to all life forms, but no role of CO2 in any significant change of the Earth’s climate – Fleming
-The Sun is the primary forcing of Earth’s climate system – NASA, Newberry et al
-The temperature field of the global troposphere and lower stratosphere - not as predicted by agw theory, Varotsos and Efstathiou
-Temperature rate of change and extent - not unprecedented e.g. Alley et al, Fawcett et al
-So-called extreme high T events – nonlinear from mean T trend, see Mearns et al
-Carbon dioxide is good for ecosystems - global net ecosystem production increased by at least 117 Tg C per year between 1995 and 2014 with the vast majority of that increase (~90%) due to aerial fertilization effects i.e. increased CO2 levels, from Fernández-Martínez et al
-Ice mass changes - not unprecedented, not as modelled and not as hyped e.g. Minutes of the Royal Society, Opel et al, Joughin and Tulaczyk, Wingham et al
-Arctic expedition - 1930/31 was 4.6 °C warmer than 1981-2010, Feb ’31 average 10.7 deg C warmer
-Glaciers - not retreating due to global warming, see Bookhagen et al
-Ice shelves not collapsing – Ollier and Pain
-Coral changes - not unprecedented, events seen today occurred in the 1600s, 1700s and 1800s see Xu et al, Kamenose & Hennige and try Andersson et al
-Coral manages pH / temperature changes through biological control – Ross et al, McCulloch et al
-Ocean 'Acidification' and (lack of) impacts on marine phytoplankton – “CO2-driven acidification had no significant impact on growth rate, chlorophyll-a, cellular abundance, gross photosynthesis, dark respiration, particulate organic carbon and particulate organic nitrogen between CO2-treatments” also no impact on nutritional quality as a primary producer in the marine food web, Jacob et al
-Sea level changes don’t show the expected anthropogenic acceleration – see Douglas, Holgate and check out Gregory er al
Sea level rise AR5 model projections invalidated - Watson
-Global coasts growing not shrinking – Donchyts et al, and see Duvat (coral attol island stability)
- Hurricane frequency - no significant trend in the data: Landsea, Pielke et al, Weinkle et al
-Hurricane data: hurricane intensity attribution to anthropogenic forcing is not possible- Trenary et al
-Floods and Droughts - not intensifying e.g. Sheffield et al, Hanel et al, Macklin et al, Barredo
-Wildfires -not increasing or intensifying see Doerr and Santin
-Indian Summer Monsoon Rainfall - CMIP5 models fail to simulate post?1950 trend, see Saha et al
-Cold weather mortality across the US- more than 16x higher than for warm weather, Zhang et al
-Polar bear numbers - increased not decreased, surveys post-2007-2016 e.g. Crockford, York et al
-Jellyfish numbers not linked to carbon dioxide - Pitt
-Major climate forcings omitted by IPCC modelling – Svensmark et al, Bucha and Bucha. Agee et al
-CMIP5 model regional projections deficient for Greenland, UK and parts of Europe – Hanna et al
-The agw hypothesis within climate models fails against empirical data and the agw null hypothesis must be rejected – McKitrick and Christy
-Hydrological cycle - no detectable global-scale human influence (models wrong) from Nguyen et al
-Tropical forest biomass doesn’t release more CO2 with warming, contrary to models – Roe
The biggest threat to the human race today is the idiocracy that spreads like religion via social media.
ks. No one really knows the true status of the polar bear population. Some populations have never been properly surveyed and some of the survey data for other populations is quite old. Also the citation refers to a woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears. http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html gives a summary of what is known about different polar bear populations.
"Closing Ceremony" to be held Thursday night
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/extinction-...
Possibly because the Met finally started to do some work on Tuesday and announced the organisers would be liable for arrest if they continued to incite others (here http://news.met.police.uk/news/conditions-imposed-...
I guess Tarquin and Francesca weren't happy when it was no longer just the gullible foot soldiers under threat of arrest, and seen that the DLR three are still locked up.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/extinction-...
Possibly because the Met finally started to do some work on Tuesday and announced the organisers would be liable for arrest if they continued to incite others (here http://news.met.police.uk/news/conditions-imposed-...
I guess Tarquin and Francesca weren't happy when it was no longer just the gullible foot soldiers under threat of arrest, and seen that the DLR three are still locked up.
Are they just anti capitalists?
Location doesn't seem particularly strategic in terms of targeting specific offenders. Why vandalise Shell while camping out to disrupt travel in a wider area?
This is why I can't get behind them. They have a notion that if you're not producing you're not polluting and thus want to bring the economy down.
Location doesn't seem particularly strategic in terms of targeting specific offenders. Why vandalise Shell while camping out to disrupt travel in a wider area?
This is why I can't get behind them. They have a notion that if you're not producing you're not polluting and thus want to bring the economy down.
plasticpig said:
Some very quick research would show you that at least one of turboblokes claims is bks. No one really knows the true status of the polar bear population. Some populations have never been properly surveyed and some of the survey data for other populations is quite old. Also the citation refers to a woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears.
http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html gives a summary of what is known about different polar bear populations.
https://polarbearscience.com/about-2/ks. No one really knows the true status of the polar bear population. Some populations have never been properly surveyed and some of the survey data for other populations is quite old. Also the citation refers to a woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears. http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html gives a summary of what is known about different polar bear populations.
If you're going to disrespect the "woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears" at least have the decency to link to her website and bio.
I wonder where the clothes they are wearing and them fancy little signs have come from?
I wonder if they used fossil fuel based transport to get where they are.
A good solution to them gluing themselves to things would be to force feed them some laxatives. Boom!
I think people will be getting tired of them now. Any message they did have will be lost as people will just see them as a nuisance.
The plot thickens re polar bears.
The locals living alongside said bears appear to be discomfited.
https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/too-many-polar-be...
Apologies for temporary thread diversion.
The locals living alongside said bears appear to be discomfited.
https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/too-many-polar-be...
Apologies for temporary thread diversion.
Jinx said:
plasticpig said:
Some very quick research would show you that at least one of turboblokes claims is bks. No one really knows the true status of the polar bear population. Some populations have never been properly surveyed and some of the survey data for other populations is quite old. Also the citation refers to a woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears.
http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html gives a summary of what is known about different polar bear populations.
https://polarbearscience.com/about-2/ks. No one really knows the true status of the polar bear population. Some populations have never been properly surveyed and some of the survey data for other populations is quite old. Also the citation refers to a woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears. http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html gives a summary of what is known about different polar bear populations.
If you're going to disrespect the "woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears" at least have the decency to link to her website and bio.
funkyrobot said:
I wonder where the clothes they are wearing and them fancy little signs have come from?
I wonder if they used fossil fuel based transport to get where they are.
A good solution to them gluing themselves to things would be to force feed them some laxatives. Boom!
I think people will be getting tired of them now. Any message they did have will be lost as people will just see them as a nuisance.
Because funnily enough there are renewable energy firms you can also trade in
3.1416 said:
The plot thickens re polar bears.
The locals living alongside said bears appear to be discomfited.
https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/too-many-polar-be...
Apologies for temporary thread diversion.
No, no, no. How can the locals know that is really happening eh?The locals living alongside said bears appear to be discomfited.
https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/too-many-polar-be...
Apologies for temporary thread diversion.
Attenborough and his hypocritical ilk have told us polar bears are suffering. We can't have frozen loonies telling us otherwise. Tut, tut, tut.
chrispmartha said:
Jinx said:
plasticpig said:
Some very quick research would show you that at least one of turboblokes claims is bks. No one really knows the true status of the polar bear population. Some populations have never been properly surveyed and some of the survey data for other populations is quite old. Also the citation refers to a woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears.
http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html gives a summary of what is known about different polar bear populations.
https://polarbearscience.com/about-2/ks. No one really knows the true status of the polar bear population. Some populations have never been properly surveyed and some of the survey data for other populations is quite old. Also the citation refers to a woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears. http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html gives a summary of what is known about different polar bear populations.
If you're going to disrespect the "woman who has never published any peer reviewed research on polar bears" at least have the decency to link to her website and bio.
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