Climate protesters block roads

[motco]

R Mutt said:

alangla said:

I thought it wasn't CO2, it was CO2 equivalent and the inhalers were reported as using HydroFlouroAlkane - I'd imagine that's probably not that different from Methane or a CFC in terms of its greenhouse effect.
Other aerosols use things like Butane, CO2 or, I think, compressed air as a propellant, each of which has a much smaller greenhouse effect.

Air?! How disgraceful.

Next you'll be telling me it contains Hydrogen Dioxide

HO2 hmmm... like to see some of that!

[jet_noise]

R Mutt said:

Air?! How disgraceful.

Next you'll be telling me it contains Hydrogen Dioxide

Hopefully not much. Dihydrogen monoxide on the other hand...

[Digga]

eccles said:

alfaman said:

The climate impact of ventolin inhalers must be trivial compared to other aerosol products surely.

Maybe read the news story, you'll be surprised!

One of my good MTB mates is pretty woke. His wife lectures law at local college and is even more woke. He's asthmatic.

I am going to suggest taking him to the McDonalds drive through in the GT3 and, of course, he can bring his inhaler.

[anonymous-user]

kev1974 said:

if we are starting to look at climate change impact of health products, shouldn't we be looking at pill packaging? Some people are on eight or so different prescription pills a day, the amount of plastic and foil used to package all those pills individually plus the colourful card boxes and included paper leaflets that all go straight in the bin is incredible. All because the public cant be trusted to take pills out of glass bottles or small tubs any more, they have to be packaged in individual pill blister packs.

I was thinking that at the weekend as I was sorting out my pills for the week. Some come in a blister pack of 28, where others only have 7 pills in the same size pack.

[eccles]

768 said:

eccles said:

alfaman said:

The climate impact of ventolin inhalers must be trivial compared to other aerosol products surely.

Maybe read the news story, you'll be surprised!

Yeah, I think I read that it came out as 4% of the entire NHS carbon output. Which I'd suggest is pretty significant and at least worth looking at.

Some news reports are saying that they are as bad as meat production.

[turbobloke]

eccles said:

768 said:

eccles said:

alfaman said:

The climate impact of ventolin inhalers must be trivial compared to other aerosol products surely.

Maybe read the news story, you'll be surprised!

Yeah, I think I read that it came out as 4% of the entire NHS carbon output. Which I'd suggest is pretty significant and at least worth looking at.

Some news reports are saying that they are as bad as meat production.

NHS is 5% of UK 1% of global 5% anthropogenic contribution. Grab a calculator if needed.

Lettuce is more than 3x worse than bacon on emissions (Carnegie Mellon University research) within a wider non-dogma-compliant meat/veg situation in which fruits and vegetables have high resource use and emissions totals.

Article
https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2015/dec...

Research abstract
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10669-0...

Obviously carry on inhaling but don't swallow ecolie.

[Kawasicki]

turbobloke said:

NHS is 5% of UK 1% of global 5% anthropogenic contribution. Grab a calculator if needed.

Lettuce is more than 3x worse than bacon on emissions (Carnegie Mellon University research) within a wider non-dogma-compliant meat/veg situation in which fruits and vegetables have high resource use and emissions totals.

Article
https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2015/dec...

Research abstract
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10669-0...

Obviously carry on inhaling but don't swallow ecolie.

Lettuce is the worst!

[eccles]

turbobloke said:

eccles said:

768 said:

eccles said:

alfaman said:

The climate impact of ventolin inhalers must be trivial compared to other aerosol products surely.

Maybe read the news story, you'll be surprised!

Yeah, I think I read that it came out as 4% of the entire NHS carbon output. Which I'd suggest is pretty significant and at least worth looking at.

Some news reports are saying that they are as bad as meat production.

NHS is 5% of UK 1% of global 5% anthropogenic contribution. Grab a calculator if needed.

Lettuce is more than 3x worse than bacon on emissions (Carnegie Mellon University research) within a wider non-dogma-compliant meat/veg situation in which fruits and vegetables have high resource use and emissions totals.

Article
https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2015/dec...

Research abstract
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10669-0...

Obviously carry on inhaling but don't swallow ecolie.

I know lettuce is worse, but the news story compared the level to that of meat production, that's why I mentioned it.

https://news.sky.com/story/asthma-inhalers-as-bad-...

[turbobloke]

eccles said:

turbobloke said:

eccles said:

768 said:

eccles said:

alfaman said:

The climate impact of ventolin inhalers must be trivial compared to other aerosol products surely.

Maybe read the news story, you'll be surprised!

Yeah, I think I read that it came out as 4% of the entire NHS carbon output. Which I'd suggest is pretty significant and at least worth looking at.

Some news reports are saying that they are as bad as meat production.

NHS is 5% of UK 1% of global 5% anthropogenic contribution. Grab a calculator if needed.

Lettuce is more than 3x worse than bacon on emissions (Carnegie Mellon University research) within a wider non-dogma-compliant meat/veg situation in which fruits and vegetables have high resource use and emissions totals.

Article
https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2015/dec...

Research abstract
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10669-0...

Obviously carry on inhaling but don't swallow ecolie.

I know lettuce is worse, but the news story compared the level to that of meat production, that's why I mentioned it.

https://news.sky.com/story/asthma-inhalers-as-bad-...

Understood, in turn I was pointing out what 4% (inhalers) of 5% (NHS) of 1% (UK) of 5% (global anthropogenic carbon dioxide contribution) looked like.

The level of atmospheric carbon dioxide changes seasonally in the N hemisphere by 5% (20ppmv of 400 ppmv close enough) so what in the name of Gaia is the point in pratting about with either uk meat (2% of 1% of 5%) or uk nhs inhalers (4% of 5% of 1% of 5%) when it won't make any difference and remain buried in natural seasonal variation?

Orders of magnitude must have disappeared off the curriculum.

ETA uk meat at 2% after checking, it's not 4% as originally posted

Edited by turbobloke on Friday 1st November 17:22

[321boost]

For the asthmatics, it’s ok to have inhaler that produces emissions, why don’t you just pay carbon tax on it? Or an existence tax for everyone:

https://www.livescience.com/13835-carbon-footprint...

I seriously think the greeny fools are having a laugh and trolling us.

[turbobloke]

321boost said:

For the asthmatics, it’s ok to have inhaler that produces emissions, why don’t you just pay carbon tax on it? Or an existence tax for everyone:

https://www.livescience.com/13835-carbon-footprint...

I seriously think the greeny fools are having a laugh and trolling us.

Hold that thought!

[Gandahar]

First world problems.

In the 3rd world

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-502589...


So if you are an asthmatic in India ???

Wouldn't you be using it a lot more?


As an asthmatic in England why do I have to cut down whilst over countries can create reasons for asthma and then do not have any pressure to get rid of them !

India and China have a lot to answer for and quantity wise they need to get environmentally friendly before we do. However they are making all those cheap goods we buy ... pesky blighters...

[Finlandia]

previously Finlandia said:

The riots may change the plans, but according to the press, she is heading to Santiago, by Tesla, bus, train and boat.

The rioting did indeed change the plans, the climate conference is now to be held in Madrid, and the child is asking for help to find a transport to Spain...

[AAGR]

Finlandia said:

previously Finlandia said:

The riots may change the plans, but according to the press, she is heading to Santiago, by Tesla, bus, train and boat.

The rioting did indeed change the plans, the climate conference is now to be held in Madrid, and the child is asking for help to find a transport to Spain...

Oh diddums - now she can find out why the vast majority of the world's population thinks she is out of touch.

[eccles]

turbobloke said:

eccles said:

turbobloke said:

eccles said:

768 said:

eccles said:

alfaman said:

The climate impact of ventolin inhalers must be trivial compared to other aerosol products surely.

Maybe read the news story, you'll be surprised!

Yeah, I think I read that it came out as 4% of the entire NHS carbon output. Which I'd suggest is pretty significant and at least worth looking at.

Some news reports are saying that they are as bad as meat production.

NHS is 5% of UK 1% of global 5% anthropogenic contribution. Grab a calculator if needed.

Lettuce is more than 3x worse than bacon on emissions (Carnegie Mellon University research) within a wider non-dogma-compliant meat/veg situation in which fruits and vegetables have high resource use and emissions totals.

Article
https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2015/dec...

Research abstract
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10669-0...

Obviously carry on inhaling but don't swallow ecolie.

I know lettuce is worse, but the news story compared the level to that of meat production, that's why I mentioned it.

https://news.sky.com/story/asthma-inhalers-as-bad-...

Understood, in turn I was pointing out what 4% (inhalers) of 5% (NHS) of 1% (UK) of 5% (global anthropogenic carbon dioxide contribution) looked like.

The level of atmospheric carbon dioxide changes seasonally in the N hemisphere by 5% (20ppmv of 400 ppmv close enough) so what in the name of Gaia is the point in pratting about with either uk meat (2% of 1% of 5%) or uk nhs inhalers (4% of 5% of 1% of 5%) when it won't make any difference and remain buried in natural seasonal variation?

Orders of magnitude must have disappeared off the curriculum.

ETA uk meat at 2% after checking, it's not 4% as originally posted

Edited by turbobloke on Friday 1st November 17:22

I agree totally, it's just the press comparing it to something that they've already demonised no matter how insignificant it is in the broader picture.
"Inhalers are as bad as meat because you know how bad meat is because we've gone all hysterical about it 6 months ago"

[768]

Nutters.

https://twitter.com/CookCookie/status/119064552349...

[slartibartfast]

Some kids done a piss take of thunderburg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRVYPvYQSpo&fe...

[T-195]

768 said:

Nutters.

https://twitter.com/CookCookie/status/119064552349...

[Agammemnon]

Finlandia said:

The rioting did indeed change the plans, the climate conference is now to be held in Madrid, and the child is asking for help to find a transport to Spain...

Wanting to get to the other side of the world for free & no multimillionaires making a yacht available?I've been there myself.

Edited by Agammemnon on Sunday 3rd November 19:45

[Finlandia]

Agammemnon said:

Finlandia said:

The rioting did indeed change the plans, the climate conference is now to be held in Madrid, and the child is asking for help to find a transport to Spain...

Wanting to get to the other side of the world for free & no multimillionaires making a yacht available?I've been there myself.

Edited by Agammemnon on Sunday 3rd November 19:45

I would think that most of us have