Climate protesters block roads

[turbobloke]

Gadgetmac said:

Fascinating piece by NASA

Nope, the earth isn't cooling

https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2893/nope-earth-isnt...

Cooling on top of a century of "adjusted" temperature data.

[Mrr T]

Gadgetmac said:

Fascinating piece by NASA

Nope, the earth isn't cooling

https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2893/nope-earth-isnt...

It is fascinating. It seems:
1. Most of the heat is stored in the oceans even though that's a hypothesis since we have no long term data.
2. They are confident to within 0.1 of a degree for recent data. I would hope so that's satellite data.
3. They are increasing certain the trend from 1880 to 1980 is correct. Now that's really clever since the data does not cover 4/5 of the earth and the coverage of the 1/5 is inconsistent. They have also not discovered any new data sets so why are they increasingly certain? They do not care to enlighten us.

[Gadgetmac]

turbobloke said:

Gadgetmac said:

Fascinating piece by NASA

Nope, the earth isn't cooling

https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2893/nope-earth-isnt...

Cooling on top of a century of "adjusted" temperature data.

Another meme posted across multiple threads and multiple times. Freshen 'em up a bit eh.

We haven't had your Edenhofer one for a while now...dust it off and give us all treat for christmas.

Can't wait to see the temps for when the current solar cycle ends, which is apparently about now. You said a couple of years ago that it would bring about a definite downward trend in temps...we'll see

[turbobloke]

Mrr T said:

It is fascinating. It seems:
1. Most of the heat is stored in the oceans even though that's a hypothesis since we have no long term data.
2. They are confident to within 0.1 of a degree for recent data. I would hope so that's satellite data.
3. They are increasing certain the trend from 1880 to 1980 is correct. Now that's really clever since the data does not cover 4/5 of the earth and the coverage of the 1/5 is inconsistent. They have also not discovered any new data sets so why are they increasingly certain? They do not care to enlighten us.

1. Oceans storing more heat than we have measured is a hypothesis, to explain away the missing heat in the atmosphere as predicted by inadequate climate models
2. Recent data can be satellite data or from the corrupted near-surface database
3. Well 'they' should be confident in the trend from 1880 as 'they' created it using data adjustments (only the last 35 years or so will be satellite data)

The NOAA acknowledgement that a large portion of the warming trend arises from data adjustments is only available using the Internet Archive (Wayback Machine) as it's been removed for some innocent reason, as per the NASA webpage acknowledging the Sun as the major factor in decadal climate change.

Note that the rising trend in the dotted curve is NOT temperature data it's adjustments to the data. As per the Josh cartoon: coolin' yer past, warmin' yer future (and present) gives a steeper trend to scare politicians and children with.



Raw temperature data from N America to New Zealand is flat for ~100 years as per numerous posts with data over in the climate threads. Satellite data shows step changes associated with natural El Nino events e.g. 1998, 2010, 2015 rather than a smooth continuous rise as expected from increased carbon dioxide levels.



Any news on climate protesters blocking roads?

[Pesty]

You mean like scientists in the 70s were predicting a new ice age?

Or were they different sect following a sandal.

They couldn’t scare us with ice so they switched to heat.

[turbobloke]

Pesty said:

You mean like scientists in the 70s were predicting a new ice age?

Or were they different sect following a sandal.

They couldn’t scare us with ice so they switched to heat.

Icehouse or Greenhouse, the scaremongers' predictions have all been cobblers, still are.

[MikeyC]

turbobloke said:

Any news on climate protesters blocking roads?

Not sure if this has been mentioned ? Charges dropped against more than 100 Extinction Rebellion protesters - dated yesterday & heard on news last night IIRC

Not too surprising since HC ruling over Met Police

Expect more protests in the coming (warmer) months nodoubt

[turbobloke]

MikeyC said:

turbobloke said:

Any news on climate protesters blocking roads?

Not sure if this has been mentioned ? Charges dropped against more than 100 Extinction Rebellion protesters - dated yesterday & heard on news last night IIRC

Not too surprising since HC ruling over Met Police

Expect more protests in the coming (warmer) months nodoubt

Always possible but protesters may be weighing up likely public reaction for various reasons.

Did they not switch to hunger strikes?

[MikeyC]

turbobloke said:

Always possible but protesters may be weighing up likely public reaction for various reasons.

Did they not switch to hunger strikes?

Ah yes, forgot about those ( !) - best do those when it's cold outside
I think the hunger strikes have captured virtually zero MSM coverage !

The road protests got stloads coverage, but yeah, it's a fine line between making your point and not alienating those people who you're trying to influence

[Gadgetmac]

Pesty said:

You mean like scientists in the 70s were predicting a new ice age?

Or were they different sect following a sandal.

They couldn’t scare us with ice so they switched to heat.

Were they

[Langweilig]

Pesty said:

You mean like scientists in the 70s were predicting a new ice age?

Or were they different sect following a sandal.

They couldn’t scare us with ice so they switched to heat.

I've tried to explain this to the all the climate change fanatics on the social media. Some responses. "Prove it. You're telling porkies" and "Yes, but in 1974 there was a sudden increase in CO2 levels. So it was getting warmer".

[Gadgetmac]

Anybody thinking that the majority of scientists in the 70's were predicting global cooling or an ice age was just listening to reports in the media based upon a few rogue scientists papers, not the majority of scientists findings.

A bit like today on here really

This was epitomized by an article on the very popular BBC programme called Tomorrows World which ran with the ice age ahead tag.

During the 70's peer reviewed papers were actually running at about 53:7 against global cooling.

[turbobloke]

Langweilig said:

Pesty said:

You mean like scientists in the 70s were predicting a new ice age?

Or were they different sect following a sandal.

They couldn’t scare us with ice so they switched to heat.

I've tried to explain this to the all the climate change fanatics on the social media. Some responses. "Prove it. You're telling porkies" and "Yes, but in 1974 there was a sudden increase in CO2 levels. So it was getting warmer".

Comedy gold. Thinking that it's made-up will depend on factors such as age, location, interest level and degree of agw religious belief. At certain times and places it would be easy to miss, with the media not commenting on what the scientists weren't saying. Stateside it was thin on the ground like summer snow

1970 - Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age - Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post)
1970 - Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 - New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 - Pollution's 2-way 'Freeze' On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1971 - Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 - U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 - Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 - New Ice Age Coming - It's Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 - Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 - Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 - Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 - Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 - Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 - British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 - Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, ?September 11, 1972?)
1972 - New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 - Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ?September 12, 1972?)
1972 - British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 - Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 - Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 - The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1974 - New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 - Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974) see below
1974 - 2 Scientists Think 'Little' Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 - Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 - Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 - Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ?December 4, 1974?)
1974 - Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ?December 5, 1974?)
1974 - More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel - ?December 5, 1974?)
1974 - Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 - Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 - B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 - Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ?March 2, 1975?)
1975 - Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator - ?March 2, 1975?)
1975 - Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 - New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ?March 2, 1975?)
1975 - There's Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ?March 2, 1975?)
1975 - Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ?March 3, 1975?)
1975 - The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 - The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 - Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 - In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 - Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 - The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 - Blizzard - What Happens if it Doesn't Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 - The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 - Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 - The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 - We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 - The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 - Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 - Winters Will Get Colder, 'we're Entering Little Ice Age' (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 - Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 - It's Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ?January 17, 1978?)
1978 - Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 - The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 - An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 - Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)

Regarding the June 24, 1974, Time magazine coverage, here's a bit more detail:
Scientists have found other indications of global cooling. For one thing there has been a noticeable expansion of the great belt of dry, high-altitude polar winds (the so-called circumpolar vortex) that sweep from west to east around the top and bottom of the world. Indeed it is the widening of this cap of cold air that is the immediate cause of Africa’s drought. By blocking moisture-bearing equatorial winds and preventing them from bringing rainfall to the parched sub-Sahara region, as well as other drought-ridden areas stretching all the way from Central America to the Middle East and India, the polar winds have in effect caused the Sahara and other deserts to reach farther to the south.

Internationally and closer to home:

Science magazine (Dec. 10, 1976) warned of "extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation." Science Digest (February 1973) reported that "the world's climatologists are agreed" that we must "prepare for the next ice age." The Christian Science Monitor ("Warning: Earth's Climate is Changing Faster Than Even Experts Expect," Aug. 27, 1974) reported that glaciers "have begun to advance," "growing seasons in England and Scandinavia are getting shorter" and "the North Atlantic is cooling down about as fast as an ocean can cool." Newsweek agreed ("The Cooling World," April 28, 1975) that meteorologists "are almost unanimous" that catastrophic famines might result from the global cooling. The Times (May 21, 1975) also said "a major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable" now that it is "well established" that the Northern Hemisphere's climate "has been getting cooler since about 1950."

Almost unanimous

“Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Aerosols: Effects of Large Increases on Global Climate,” Schneider & Rasool (Science, 1971)
ABSTRACT
It is projected that man’s potential to pollute will increase six to eightfold in the next 50 years. If this increased rate of injection of particulate matter in the atmosphere should raise the present global background opacity by a factor of 4, our calculations suggest a decrease in global temperature by as much as 3.5 K [3.5° C]. Such a large decrease in the average surface temperature of the Earth, sustained over a period of a few years, is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age.

Then there's the McFarlane review: This review of the climate science literature of the 1965-1979 period showed that global cooling papers greatly outnumbering global warming papers by more than 5:1 during the 1968-1976 period, when there were 85% papers supporting cooling compared with 15% for warming. As today, science doesn't operate via consensus but this is to show that claims about scientists <not> favouring cooling back in the 1970s are false.





Finally, some Leonard back in the day: https://youtu.be/1kGB5MMIAVA

[Gadgetmac]

Thanks for making my point...that list is all media.

[Gadgetmac]

For a bonus point guess where that list was culled from.

[turbobloke]

Gadgetmac said:

Anybody thinking that the majority of scientists in the 70's were predicting global cooling or an ice age was just listening to reports in the media based upon a few rogue scientists papers, not the majority of scientists findings.

Try again.

The McFarlane review of the climate science literature of the 1965-1979 period showed that global cooling papers greatly outnumbered global warming papers by more than 5:1 during the 1968-1976 period, when there were 85% papers supporting cooling compared with 15% for warming. As today, science doesn't operate via consensus but this is to show that claims about scientists <not> favouring cooling back in the 1970s are false.

[turbobloke]

It's a pity there isn't a spell of icy snowy weather to reduce the risk of climate protesters blocking roads which aren't already blocked.

This is a great example of the endless goofy predictions from climate alarmists. Naturally this one is from the 70s and of course it features the cooling zeitgeist.

At the time of the first Earth Day back in 1970 Kenneth Watt of UC Davis said:

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.

[motco]

turbobloke said:

It's a pity there isn't a spell of icy snowy weather to reduce the risk of climate protesters blocking roads which aren't already blocked.

This is a great example of the endless goofy predictions from climate alarmists. Naturally this one is from the 70s and of course it features the cooling zeitgeist.

At the time of the first Earth Day back in 1970 Kenneth Watt of UC Davis said:

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.

Ah but they may have been experts, but the current crop are Experts! Very different.

[turbobloke]

motco said:

turbobloke said:

It's a pity there isn't a spell of icy snowy weather to reduce the risk of climate protesters blocking roads which aren't already blocked.

This is a great example of the endless goofy predictions from climate alarmists. Naturally this one is from the 70s and of course it features the cooling zeitgeist.

At the time of the first Earth Day back in 1970 Kenneth Watt of UC Davis said:

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.

Ah but they may have been experts, but the current crop are Experts! Very different.

Very!

The political patronage and funding largesse used to generate agw noise these days was only dreamed of back then; curiously I couldn't see any mention of marxism plus vegan diets as the solution - for either cooling or warming. Thank goodness we know these answers today

[Gadgetmac]

turbobloke said:

Gadgetmac said:

Anybody thinking that the majority of scientists in the 70's were predicting global cooling or an ice age was just listening to reports in the media based upon a few rogue scientists papers, not the majority of scientists findings.

Try again.

The McFarlane review of the climate science literature of the 1965-1979 period showed that global cooling papers greatly outnumbered global warming papers by more than 5:1 during the 1968-1976 period, when there were 85% papers supporting cooling compared with 15% for warming. As today, science doesn't operate via consensus but this is to show that claims about scientists <not> favouring cooling back in the 1970s are false.

You've picked an arbitrary period of 1965 to 1976. I've shown Peer Reviewed papers from 1970 to 1979 when there were a grand total of 7 papers showing global cooling, this is comprehensively trounced by those that didn't.

Peterson 2008 NOAA

Try again.

Edited by Gadgetmac on Thursday 28th November 18:54