Climate protesters block roads
Discussion
Helicopter123 said:
If you think about it from the protesters point of view though, if we are a handful of years away from environmental collapse, and presumably the starvation, death and misery, then asking people to make changes today seems reasonable?
Do you think I should take my pension early
But seriously if we are 'a handful of years away' I fear it is already too late.
NDA said:
warch said:
Well everyone's talking about the protests so they have been a success.
Everyone's talking about the protestors - a subtle distinction.Everyone is talking about what a bunch of tossers they are. If it is a success that people think they are work-shy soap dodgers - then they've achieved their objective.
NDA said:
warch said:
Well everyone's talking about the protests so they have been a success.
Everyone's talking about the protestors - a subtle distinction.Everyone is talking about what a bunch of tossers they are. If it is a success that people think they are work-shy soap dodgers - then they've achieved their objective.
Most seem to be talking about how they’d love to give them a good kicking rather than looking into what they’re whining about.
The message about Climate Change is a valid one, only those who are somewhat intellectually-challenged would still argue that there remains a debate to the contrary.
Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
garagewidow said:
Helicopter123 said:
If you think about it from the protesters point of view though, if we are a handful of years away from environmental collapse, and presumably the starvation, death and misery, then asking people to make changes today seems reasonable?
Do you think I should take my pension earlyBut seriously if we are 'a handful of years away' I fear it is already too late.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The Attenborough program failed to overlay the human population growth graph over the graphs showing actual and predicted levels of global warming. Anyone who does that, will notice the distinct correlation between rising CO2 levels, rising global temperatures, and of course rising global population levels.
The problem is that the global warming bleaters don't really want to save the planet, they only want to save the skin disease / growth which has erupted on its surface. They don't care that we are using more, not less of the Earths resources to feed the ever growing demands of an already colossal and growing at an unprecedented rate of the burgeoning human population.
Perhaps among the first positive and actual changes that people can make, is to start limiting how many children they have, to try to achieve a sustainable number of humans on the planet. Unless they start doing that, everything else they want to whinge about is just hypocritical b*ll*x.
Strangely even Attenborough at the end of his last Planet Earth series stated that up till now we have been controlling the Earth for the sake of humans, but that now we must start controlling humans for the sake of the planet.
developed nations are already doing this. give the under developed nations access to reliable energy and the same thing will happen in the long run.The problem is that the global warming bleaters don't really want to save the planet, they only want to save the skin disease / growth which has erupted on its surface. They don't care that we are using more, not less of the Earths resources to feed the ever growing demands of an already colossal and growing at an unprecedented rate of the burgeoning human population.
Perhaps among the first positive and actual changes that people can make, is to start limiting how many children they have, to try to achieve a sustainable number of humans on the planet. Unless they start doing that, everything else they want to whinge about is just hypocritical b*ll*x.
Strangely even Attenborough at the end of his last Planet Earth series stated that up till now we have been controlling the Earth for the sake of humans, but that now we must start controlling humans for the sake of the planet.
wc98 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The Attenborough program failed to overlay the human population growth graph over the graphs showing actual and predicted levels of global warming. Anyone who does that, will notice the distinct correlation between rising CO2 levels, rising global temperatures, and of course rising global population levels.
The problem is that the global warming bleaters don't really want to save the planet, they only want to save the skin disease / growth which has erupted on its surface. They don't care that we are using more, not less of the Earths resources to feed the ever growing demands of an already colossal and growing at an unprecedented rate of the burgeoning human population.
Perhaps among the first positive and actual changes that people can make, is to start limiting how many children they have, to try to achieve a sustainable number of humans on the planet. Unless they start doing that, everything else they want to whinge about is just hypocritical b*ll*x.
Strangely even Attenborough at the end of his last Planet Earth series stated that up till now we have been controlling the Earth for the sake of humans, but that now we must start controlling humans for the sake of the planet.
developed nations are already doing this. give the under developed nations access to reliable energy and the same thing will happen in the long run.The problem is that the global warming bleaters don't really want to save the planet, they only want to save the skin disease / growth which has erupted on its surface. They don't care that we are using more, not less of the Earths resources to feed the ever growing demands of an already colossal and growing at an unprecedented rate of the burgeoning human population.
Perhaps among the first positive and actual changes that people can make, is to start limiting how many children they have, to try to achieve a sustainable number of humans on the planet. Unless they start doing that, everything else they want to whinge about is just hypocritical b*ll*x.
Strangely even Attenborough at the end of his last Planet Earth series stated that up till now we have been controlling the Earth for the sake of humans, but that now we must start controlling humans for the sake of the planet.
Amsuing to see how the French police have handled the Paris climate protesters by comparison - quick blast of pepper spray et voila!:
Most people are totally oblivious to what a decent and civilised place the UK is. It's pretty shameful to complain about much in this green and pleasant land, compared to other parts of the world.
Most people are totally oblivious to what a decent and civilised place the UK is. It's pretty shameful to complain about much in this green and pleasant land, compared to other parts of the world.
Coolbanana said:
Not trying to influence, just stirring up the PH Gammon. 
Anyone not understanding CC now is beyond help, they now just need to be managed and herded - dragged into the right direction by legislature.
Street protests aren't the way though, as all they do is alienate the very people the protesters wish to influence. Anyone not understanding CC now is beyond help, they now just need to be managed and herded - dragged into the right direction by legislature.
Instead, we should have a referendum on such things.
Helicopter123 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
These people are very good at telling us what we should stop, they never think of the consequences for people if we make radical and drastic changes. The poor man and woman just trying to get to work or get home having to deal with these idiots deserve a medal for not losing it and lamping one them.
Who thought it was a good Policy to have "catch and release" so they can keep returning to the "protest".
If you think about it from the protesters point of view though, if we are a handful of years away from environmental collapse, and presumably the starvation, death and misery, then asking people to make changes today seems reasonable?Who thought it was a good Policy to have "catch and release" so they can keep returning to the "protest".
Hereward said:
Amsuing to see how the French police have handled the Paris climate protesters by comparison - quick blast of pepper spray et voila!:
Most people are totally oblivious to what a decent and civilised place the UK is. It's pretty shameful to complain about much in this green and pleasant land, compared to other parts of the world.
I think the spray is a natural product so I am sure they appreciate that at least. This is a terrible place to live you only have to read the lefty posts to see its a cesspit of sin with Children starving on the streets millions homeless begging for a crust. They clearly need to get out more and look around to see what actually happens in the real world and they might just realise how lucky we are. Most people are totally oblivious to what a decent and civilised place the UK is. It's pretty shameful to complain about much in this green and pleasant land, compared to other parts of the world.
This article may give a clue as to the real agenda behind these protests.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/extinction-r...
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/extinction-r...
SmoothCriminal said:
No they're importing millions of 3rd world immigrants who come and out produce the natives.
do they ? i don't see second and third generation families around here breeding at a different rate to anyone else? genuine question as i thought it was fairly well accepted that was the case ?Coolbanana said:
Not trying to influence, just stirring up the PH Gammon.
Anyone not understanding CC now is beyond help, they now just need to be managed and herded - dragged into the right direction by legislature.
i take the opposite approach, everyone that believes in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming should be on a list. if it ever becomes a genuine issue then those concerned about it should be euthanised first in order to save the planet. Anyone not understanding CC now is beyond help, they now just need to be managed and herded - dragged into the right direction by legislature.
Coolbanana said:
The message about Climate Change is a valid one, only those who are somewhat intellectually-challenged would still argue that there remains a debate to the contrary.
Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
The issue with that is again how do you do it in a practical sense in terms of speeding things up? The western world is generally reducing C02 emissions. It's the developing world which is having it's own industrial revolution which is now ramping up and dominating - for example China. For example, concrete is supposed to contribute around 8% of the world's CO2, with over 1/2 of that coming from China. So 4% of CO2 emissions in world are from Chinese cement. So do you say we don't build the houses etc? In which case you're having lot of people dying due to poor living conditions etc. To contrast, aviation fuel is 2.5% of global emissions. Humans are accelerating the Natural process. Fact. You are an idiot to disagree, if you do.
Extinction Rebellion should be praised for heightening general awareness in the sense that we should be pressuring Governments to take further action, however, they are, in my personal view, advocating impractical measures that are just too extreme; it is simply unrealistic to see aviation as for 'emergencies' only, for example.
They, and the recent Classroom activism, are exactly what we need to see in terms of stepping up the pressure upon Governments to work together to address Climate Change issues as quickly as realistically possible.
Ignorance and attitudes supporting the 'I'm alright, couldn't give a stuff about the Future, so let them deal with it' are unhelpful but can be managed - just as Smokers had to be managed, since they refused to self-regulate the impact they had on others.
Extinction Rebellion and the like are being heard, they just need to ensure that they do not overstep, which they are in danger of doing. The Climate Change Disbeliever Morons who disagree can be managed, but if Extinction Rebellion go too far, they do make that task tougher.
Governments around the World need to ramp up their measures to control CC, influential Governments like the UK, can exert influence upon those others who may not otherwise make much effort; hence targeting London etc is a valid tactic.
I clearly support ER and a little inconvenience is a small price to pay while they get their message heard...but too much will have a negative effect, so I don't support their more extreme views.
Same for oil and gas production. It's lovely to say we can get rid of it now, but the alternative is still (mostly) expensive and intermittent. In the west that is pain, but for the most part fine. In many other parts of the world then energy poverty kills millions each year. So if we do cut everything to hit climate change goals we'll kill huge numbers of people as a result of them not being able to get up to a reasonable standard of living.
So between those two things (in the west we are actually improving, despite all the protesters are saying) and then the millions that will die if we don't improve people's living standards in the developing world it's not nearly as simple as the protesters like to make out.
NRS said:
The issue with that is again how do you do it in a practical sense in terms of speeding things up? The western world is generally reducing C02 emissions. It's the developing world which is having it's own industrial revolution which is now ramping up and dominating - for example China. For example, concrete is supposed to contribute around 8% of the world's CO2, with over 1/2 of that coming from China. So 4% of CO2 emissions in world are from Chinese cement. So do you say we don't build the houses etc? In which case you're having lot of people dying due to poor living conditions etc. To contrast, aviation fuel is 2.5% of global emissions.
Same for oil and gas production. It's lovely to say we can get rid of it now, but the alternative is still (mostly) expensive and intermittent. In the west that is pain, but for the most part fine. In many other parts of the world then energy poverty kills millions each year. So if we do cut everything to hit climate change goals we'll kill huge numbers of people as a result of them not being able to get up to a reasonable standard of living.
So between those two things (in the west we are actually improving, despite all the protesters are saying) and then the millions that will die if we don't improve people's living standards in the developing world it's not nearly as simple as the protesters like to make out.
Or you could add co2 to the concrete https://materialdistrict.com/article/carboncure-co... and help the environment... Same for oil and gas production. It's lovely to say we can get rid of it now, but the alternative is still (mostly) expensive and intermittent. In the west that is pain, but for the most part fine. In many other parts of the world then energy poverty kills millions each year. So if we do cut everything to hit climate change goals we'll kill huge numbers of people as a result of them not being able to get up to a reasonable standard of living.
So between those two things (in the west we are actually improving, despite all the protesters are saying) and then the millions that will die if we don't improve people's living standards in the developing world it's not nearly as simple as the protesters like to make out.
Mort7 said:
This article may give a clue as to the real agenda behind these protests.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/extinction-r...
More than a clue, I’d suggest. https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/extinction-r...
It’s amazing how many people are continually fooled by organisations like this.
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