Climate protesters block roads

[Scotty2]

deeps said:

I hear there's a new rapidly expanding group called Rebellion Extinction

Oi ! Copyright Scotty2 some pages ago...

[Agammemnon]

turbobloke said:

It didn't look that generalised to me, I must have missed the anyone/anywhere/ever claims - are we not discussing the recent woeful police response to XR unlawful behaviour in Cambridge?

Facts are irrelevant.

[A Winner Is You]

Greendubber said:

A Winner Is You said:

Blimey, the police just realised that standing next to them whilst the commit criminal damage might not have been the best tactic

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Or in reality Trinity thought it was a good idea to make a complaint to the police about the damahe. Shock horror, people have been arrested as a result.

So if a policeman witnessed someone committing vandalism, they wouldn't do anything unless the owner was standing there wanting to make a complaint?

[Greendubber]

turbobloke said:

Greendubber said:

Agammemnon said:

Greendubber said:

It really isn't.

Oh well- if you say so then that settles it.

Coming from the person who thinks response to XR protests reflects the police are not there to protect or help anyone, anywhere, ever.

It didn't look that generalised to me, I must have missed the anyone/anywhere/ever claims - are we not discussing the recent woeful police response to XR unlawful behaviour in Cambridge?

I'm pretty sure Pesty said "The police are not there to help you or protect you"

Sounds pretty generic to me.

[Agammemnon]

You were replying to my comment "It seems to be an accurate reflection of recent events in Cambridge & elsewhere." which is pretty specific & not from Pesty.

[Greendubber]

A Winner Is You said:

Greendubber said:

A Winner Is You said:

Blimey, the police just realised that standing next to them whilst the commit criminal damage might not have been the best tactic

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Or in reality Trinity thought it was a good idea to make a complaint to the police about the damahe. Shock horror, people have been arrested as a result.

So if a policeman witnessed someone committing vandalism, they wouldn't do anything unless the owner was standing there wanting to make a complaint?

Police respond to call, turn up and people are digging up the grass. They speak with Trinity, who dont want any police action taking.

What are they supposed to do?

Now Trinity have made a complaint people have rightly been arrested.

[Agammemnon]

And the blocking of roads for their protest?

[Digga]

Greendubber said:

A Winner Is You said:

Greendubber said:

A Winner Is You said:

Blimey, the police just realised that standing next to them whilst the commit criminal damage might not have been the best tactic

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Or in reality Trinity thought it was a good idea to make a complaint to the police about the damahe. Shock horror, people have been arrested as a result.

So if a policeman witnessed someone committing vandalism, they wouldn't do anything unless the owner was standing there wanting to make a complaint?

AFAIK it is not up to the injured party to decide whether, or not, a crime has been committed. If it is reported to, or brought to the awareness of the police, they have to act according to the law.

This last point being key in the tragic case of Caroline Flack where her ex did not want to press charges, apparently.


Police respond to call, turn up and people are digging up the grass. They speak with Trinity, who dont want any police action taking.

What are they supposed to do?

Now Trinity have made a complaint people have rightly been arrested.

[Greendubber]

Agammemnon said:

You were replying to my comment "It seems to be an accurate reflection of recent events in Cambridge & elsewhere." which is pretty specific & not from Pesty.

Police have to do their job by the book, part of that is balancing peoples right to protest, a point missed by a lot of people on here, including you it seems. Percieved inactivity is due to having their hands tied, XR know this and exploit it.

[Greendubber]

Agammemnon said:

And the blocking of roads for their protest?

Happens all the time, roads get closed for all sorts of events and protests. Just because its XR and they're not very popular doesn't mean it cant and wont happen.

Conditions should be put on them, time, duration etc.. as long as those are adhered to then it's fine but still a massive pain in the hole.

[Dont like rolls]

With the "flash protests" (London tube for example) and the perceived inaction by plod, how soon before one of these "protesters" gets a good kicking ?

[Digga]

Dont like rolls said:

With the "flash protests" (London tube for example) and the perceived inaction by plod, how soon before one of these "protesters" gets a good kicking ?

What, like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P1UXYS6Bmg

Or worse?

[HTP99]

Dont like rolls said:

With the "flash protests" (London tube for example) and the perceived inaction by plod, how soon before one of these "protesters" gets a good kicking ?

Didn't that happen already recently at a train station in London?

[Dont like rolls]

Digga said:

What, like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P1UXYS6Bmg

Or worse?

Yes, like that but a good kicking rather than a slap

[jshell]

Police are 'in thrall' to XR: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/the-police-a...

[Graveworm]

Greendubber said:

Police respond to call, turn up and people are digging up the grass. They speak with Trinity, who dont want any police action taking.

What are they supposed to do?

Now Trinity have made a complaint people have rightly been arrested.

Did that happen? Why speak to Trinity whilst what they reasonably suspect to be a crime is taking place? They can and should arrest to stop or prevent crime. Criminal damage is made out, where someone damages property belonging to another. They can arrest before the first shovel full despite there being no criminal damage offence at that point. If the owner is present damage to the property is also a breach of the peace.
Lawful excuse is a reverse burden. Not to mention the spades were articles to cause criminal damage, that they could have been arrested for, in advance of or at any point during the action.

Edited by Graveworm on Wednesday 19th February 11:15

[Digga]

Dont like rolls said:

Digga said:

What, like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P1UXYS6Bmg

Or worse?

Yes, like that but a good kicking rather than a slap

Not advocating it, personally, but I'd imagine not long.

They are impacting people's lives and livelihoods. Thin ice.

They rely on the tired old social change saw that if they can convince 3.5% or more of the population, then they win, but I think they go about it in completely the wrong way.

[jshell]

Scotty2 said:

deeps said:

I hear there's a new rapidly expanding group called Rebellion Extinction

Oi ! Copyright Scotty2 some pages ago...

Linkee?

[Agammemnon]

Greendubber said:

Happens all the time, roads get closed for all sorts of events and protests. Just because its XR and they're not very popular doesn't mean it cant and wont happen.

Conditions should be put on them, time, duration etc.. as long as those are adhered to then it's fine but still a massive pain in the hole.

Know you of any such conditions? Know you of any good reason why XR should have the city closed for them? Why does their right to be a pain trump others' right to go about their business?

Why have they been afforded privileges denied to many others, ie blocking of roads & interference with business?

[Scotty2]

R Mutt said:
Anyone want to start a counter group?

"I couldn't really put my name to such a thing. While it should really just have quite a common sense aim, promoting just being able to get on with your life and uninterrupted commute to work and the use of fossil fuels until such time as alternatives are cheaper, attracting normal people, it would potentially be hijacked by the far right. But who wouldn't back the cause? Of course XR remind us that no one can really object to saving the planet, except those who actually need to get on a plane, and those who are more interested in destroying society under the guise of saving the planet."

We can call it "Rebellion Extinction"

A bit like Ghost Busters. Your petrol station gets blocked, you call us, and someone arrives to persuade the great unwashed to move along peacefully or get their heads kicked in... I can access a Fire Engine and we could put some soap in the water tank for added quick dispersal...

Sorry, from a different thread (XR Leader one) but same sentiment...