Climate protesters block roads
Discussion
Greendubber said:
The police HAVE to facilitate protest, the law says so. Unless there is risk of serious disorder, serious damage or serious disruption the they have to do it. The police also have to expect and tolerate a level of public disruption.
So yes shutting down roads is an absolute ball ache but hate the game, not the players.
Reasonable protest conducted legally. Announcing that you are having a week long protest and that you will be obstructing the highway for the whole time is not reasonable and in no way has to be accommodated or accepted by anyone.So yes shutting down roads is an absolute ball ache but hate the game, not the players.
Graveworm said:
Greendubber said:
I dont know of they did or didn't to be honest. We've shut roads a loads of times for spontaneous protests that pop up, including XR who decided to give us about 10 minutes notice. It helps with keeping a protest static, you have to give them a bit or you'll have groups marauding around all over the city causing a complete nightmare. Yes it's a ball ache for the general public but so are roadworks, RTCs and any other manner of reasons roads get closed.
Have you closed roads for people who said we are setting out to obstruct the highway? Protests that block roads might be OK. Blocking the road to protest isn't, thats according to the courts, police evidence to parliament and the APP. This was the announcement
'We are now less than TWO WEEKS away from Cambridge's largest act of civil disobedience EVER ?? So today we are announcing the location of our week-long roadblock: The roundabout on Trumpington Road intersecting with Fen Causeway.
Substitute that with any other offence, why would it be allowed?
We've also dragged plenty out if roads and locked them up too BTW.
Greendubber said:
No, I just dont like people who come back and another user with the same tiresome axe to grind/hard on for arguing about police.
I'm not sure why you think that 'we don't do that somewhere else' contributes to the debate about what's happening in Cambridge?Police response in Cambridge is totally inadequate. The protesters have identified a weak spot and are exploiting it to the maximum. If they don't get a grip soon, it will escalate far beyond what would have happened if they had dealt with it properly in the first place. Hordes of crusties are pedalling furiously Cambridgewards as we speak.
Maybe that was the plan all along. Gunfight at the Trumpington Waitrose.
hutchst said:
Greendubber said:
No, I just dont like people who come back and another user with the same tiresome axe to grind/hard on for arguing about police.
I'm not sure why you think that 'we don't do that somewhere else' contributes to the debate about what's happening in Cambridge?Police response in Cambridge is totally inadequate. The protesters have identified a weak spot and are exploiting it to the maximum. If they don't get a grip soon, it will escalate far beyond what would have happened if they had dealt with it properly in the first place. Hordes of crusties are pedalling furiously Cambridgewards as we speak.
Maybe that was the plan all along. Gunfight at the Trumpington Waitrose.
I was replying directly to someone asking me a question about dealing with similar incidents and as usual my pet stalker (under his new account) RH quotes a reply, cutting half of it out of context in order to take a swipe. Perhaps direct experience and of situations being discussed isn't allowed anymore?
AJL308 said:
Greendubber said:
The police HAVE to facilitate protest, the law says so. Unless there is risk of serious disorder, serious damage or serious disruption the they have to do it. The police also have to expect and tolerate a level of public disruption.
So yes shutting down roads is an absolute ball ache but hate the game, not the players.
Reasonable protest conducted legally. Announcing that you are having a week long protest and that you will be obstructing the highway for the whole time is not reasonable and in no way has to be accommodated or accepted by anyone.So yes shutting down roads is an absolute ball ache but hate the game, not the players.
mcdjl said:
AJL308 said:
Greendubber said:
The police HAVE to facilitate protest, the law says so. Unless there is risk of serious disorder, serious damage or serious disruption the they have to do it. The police also have to expect and tolerate a level of public disruption.
So yes shutting down roads is an absolute ball ache but hate the game, not the players.
Reasonable protest conducted legally. Announcing that you are having a week long protest and that you will be obstructing the highway for the whole time is not reasonable and in no way has to be accommodated or accepted by anyone.So yes shutting down roads is an absolute ball ache but hate the game, not the players.
There's an obligation to ensure that people can engage is lawful peaceful protest. Lawful peaceful protest isn't carte blanche just because notice has been given in advance. IANAL so maybe there's a lurking lawyer who could comment on the following unlawful behaviours which aren't part of anything the police should facilitate:
-a person commits an offence who compels another person to abstain from doing any act which that person has a legal right to do, wrongfully and without legal authority (e.g. preventing a petrol station from carrying out its business)
-a person commits an offence when watching or besetting the house or other place where a person resides, works, carries on business or happens to be, or the approach to any such house or place (Schlumberger site, building effectively shut down with persons unable to enter or leave)
In addition, there are offences of criminal damage and obstructing police, which Cambridge BiB are now acting upon regardless of clearly spurious claims of 'permission' and the cosy relationship between XR, the local Labour MP, Council Leader and (indirectly through the offices of above local politicians) police.
Greendubber said:
I was replying directly to someone asking me a question about dealing with similar incidents and as usual my pet stalker (under his new account) RH quotes a reply, cutting half of it out of context in order to take a swipe. Perhaps direct experience and of situations being discussed isn't allowed anymore?
Many people DO have direct experience, of both the protests and the Police inaction in allowing their freedom to go about their daily lives. The fact you have this attitude speaks volumes about the distorted perspective of the authorities and their pandering to what is acceptable and what is not to the public I am afraid.
Protest Yes, no problem with that, march for a few hours stand on the roadside chanting, flag waving etc Ok, , block a city for days, glue yourself to a bus/road/aircraft.....no.
Edited by Dont like rolls on Friday 21st February 10:10
turbobloke said:
mcdjl said:
I hereby give notice that I will be protesting against speed limits and constrictions to traffic flow. My protest will take the form of driving my car at whatever speed I deem to be safe at any location in the country.
Best of luck There's an obligation to ensure that people can engage is lawful peaceful protest. Lawful peaceful protest isn't carte blanche just because notice has been given in advance.
Dont like rolls said:
Greendubber said:
I was replying directly to someone asking me a question about dealing with similar incidents and as usual my pet stalker (under his new account) RH quotes a reply, cutting half of it out of context in order to take a swipe. Perhaps direct experience and of situations being discussed isn't allowed anymore?
Many people DO have direct experience, of both the protests and the Police inaction in allowing their freedom to go about their daily lives. The fact you have this attitude speaks volumes about the distorted perspective of the authorities and their pandering to what is acceptable and what is not to the public I am afraid.
Protest Yes, no problem with that, march for a few hours stand on the roadside chanting, flag waving etc Ok, , block a city for days, glue yourself to a bus/road/aircraft.....no.
mcdjl said:
turbobloke said:
mcdjl said:
I hereby give notice that I will be protesting against speed limits and constrictions to traffic flow. My protest will take the form of driving my car at whatever speed I deem to be safe at any location in the country.
Best of luck There's an obligation to ensure that people can engage is lawful peaceful protest. Lawful peaceful protest isn't carte blanche just because notice has been given in advance.
Your notice is noted, and best of luck with police facilitation!
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