Climate protesters block roads

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AJL308

6,390 posts

156 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Greendubber said:
The police HAVE to facilitate protest, the law says so. Unless there is risk of serious disorder, serious damage or serious disruption the they have to do it. The police also have to expect and tolerate a level of public disruption.

So yes shutting down roads is an absolute ball ache but hate the game, not the players.
Reasonable protest conducted legally. Announcing that you are having a week long protest and that you will be obstructing the highway for the whole time is not reasonable and in no way has to be accommodated or accepted by anyone.

Greendubber

13,208 posts

203 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Graveworm said:
Greendubber said:
I dont know of they did or didn't to be honest. We've shut roads a loads of times for spontaneous protests that pop up, including XR who decided to give us about 10 minutes notice. It helps with keeping a protest static, you have to give them a bit or you'll have groups marauding around all over the city causing a complete nightmare. Yes it's a ball ache for the general public but so are roadworks, RTCs and any other manner of reasons roads get closed.
Have you closed roads for people who said we are setting out to obstruct the highway? Protests that block roads might be OK. Blocking the road to protest isn't, thats according to the courts, police evidence to parliament and the APP.
This was the announcement
'We are now less than TWO WEEKS away from Cambridge's largest act of civil disobedience EVER ?? So today we are announcing the location of our week-long roadblock: The roundabout on Trumpington Road intersecting with Fen Causeway.
Substitute that with any other offence, why would it be allowed?
Yes, people who have tipped up with lock ons etc that just sprawl over the road. I have no idea what sort of things XR are doing in Cambridge.

We've also dragged plenty out if roads and locked them up too BTW.

Agammemnon

1,628 posts

58 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Greendubber said:
We've also dragged plenty out if roads and locked them up too BTW.
Not in Cambridge, which is what we're discussing.

Greendubber

13,208 posts

203 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Agammemnon said:
Greendubber said:
We've also dragged plenty out if roads and locked them up too BTW.
Not in Cambridge, which is what we're discussing.
Bore off Mr Hawk, I was replying to a post from Graveworm.

Agammemnon

1,628 posts

58 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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You don't like answers that don't suit you? How sad.

Greendubber

13,208 posts

203 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Agammemnon said:
You don't like answers that don't suit you? How sad.
No, I just dont like people who come back and another user with the same tiresome axe to grind/hard on for arguing about police.

hutchst

3,702 posts

96 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Greendubber said:
No, I just dont like people who come back and another user with the same tiresome axe to grind/hard on for arguing about police.
I'm not sure why you think that 'we don't do that somewhere else' contributes to the debate about what's happening in Cambridge?

Police response in Cambridge is totally inadequate. The protesters have identified a weak spot and are exploiting it to the maximum. If they don't get a grip soon, it will escalate far beyond what would have happened if they had dealt with it properly in the first place. Hordes of crusties are pedalling furiously Cambridgewards as we speak.

Maybe that was the plan all along. Gunfight at the Trumpington Waitrose.

Greendubber

13,208 posts

203 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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hutchst said:
Greendubber said:
No, I just dont like people who come back and another user with the same tiresome axe to grind/hard on for arguing about police.
I'm not sure why you think that 'we don't do that somewhere else' contributes to the debate about what's happening in Cambridge?

Police response in Cambridge is totally inadequate. The protesters have identified a weak spot and are exploiting it to the maximum. If they don't get a grip soon, it will escalate far beyond what would have happened if they had dealt with it properly in the first place. Hordes of crusties are pedalling furiously Cambridgewards as we speak.

Maybe that was the plan all along. Gunfight at the Trumpington Waitrose.
rolleyes

I was replying directly to someone asking me a question about dealing with similar incidents and as usual my pet stalker (under his new account) RH quotes a reply, cutting half of it out of context in order to take a swipe. Perhaps direct experience and of situations being discussed isn't allowed anymore?





mcdjl

5,446 posts

195 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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AJL308 said:
Greendubber said:
The police HAVE to facilitate protest, the law says so. Unless there is risk of serious disorder, serious damage or serious disruption the they have to do it. The police also have to expect and tolerate a level of public disruption.

So yes shutting down roads is an absolute ball ache but hate the game, not the players.
Reasonable protest conducted legally. Announcing that you are having a week long protest and that you will be obstructing the highway for the whole time is not reasonable and in no way has to be accommodated or accepted by anyone.
I hereby give notice that I will be protesting against speed limits and constrictions to traffic flow. My protest will take the form of driving my car at whatever speed I deem to be safe at any location in the country.

turbobloke

103,954 posts

260 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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mcdjl said:
AJL308 said:
Greendubber said:
The police HAVE to facilitate protest, the law says so. Unless there is risk of serious disorder, serious damage or serious disruption the they have to do it. The police also have to expect and tolerate a level of public disruption.

So yes shutting down roads is an absolute ball ache but hate the game, not the players.
Reasonable protest conducted legally. Announcing that you are having a week long protest and that you will be obstructing the highway for the whole time is not reasonable and in no way has to be accommodated or accepted by anyone.
I hereby give notice that I will be protesting against speed limits and constrictions to traffic flow. My protest will take the form of driving my car at whatever speed I deem to be safe at any location in the country.
Best of luck smile

There's an obligation to ensure that people can engage is lawful peaceful protest. Lawful peaceful protest isn't carte blanche just because notice has been given in advance. IANAL so maybe there's a lurking lawyer who could comment on the following unlawful behaviours which aren't part of anything the police should facilitate:

-a person commits an offence who compels another person to abstain from doing any act which that person has a legal right to do, wrongfully and without legal authority (e.g. preventing a petrol station from carrying out its business)

-a person commits an offence when watching or besetting the house or other place where a person resides, works, carries on business or happens to be, or the approach to any such house or place (Schlumberger site, building effectively shut down with persons unable to enter or leave)

In addition, there are offences of criminal damage and obstructing police, which Cambridge BiB are now acting upon regardless of clearly spurious claims of 'permission' and the cosy relationship between XR, the local Labour MP, Council Leader and (indirectly through the offices of above local politicians) police.

Cold

15,247 posts

90 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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If you're not gluing yourself to the top of an aeroplane are you even protesting?

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

54 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Greendubber said:
rolleyes

I was replying directly to someone asking me a question about dealing with similar incidents and as usual my pet stalker (under his new account) RH quotes a reply, cutting half of it out of context in order to take a swipe. Perhaps direct experience and of situations being discussed isn't allowed anymore?
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Many people DO have direct experience, of both the protests and the Police inaction in allowing their freedom to go about their daily lives. The fact you have this attitude speaks volumes about the distorted perspective of the authorities and their pandering to what is acceptable and what is not to the public I am afraid.

Protest Yes, no problem with that, march for a few hours stand on the roadside chanting, flag waving etc Ok, , block a city for days, glue yourself to a bus/road/aircraft.....no.


Edited by Dont like rolls on Friday 21st February 10:10

mcdjl

5,446 posts

195 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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turbobloke said:
mcdjl said:
I hereby give notice that I will be protesting against speed limits and constrictions to traffic flow. My protest will take the form of driving my car at whatever speed I deem to be safe at any location in the country.
Best of luck smile

There's an obligation to ensure that people can engage is lawful peaceful protest. Lawful peaceful protest isn't carte blanche just because notice has been given in advance.
My exhaust is quiet and has recently passed its MOT so my protest will be peaceful. My protest will have minimal/no impact on others so is peaceful. What grounds are there to deny my right to protest?

turbobloke

103,954 posts

260 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Dont like rolls said:
Greendubber said:
rolleyes

I was replying directly to someone asking me a question about dealing with similar incidents and as usual my pet stalker (under his new account) RH quotes a reply, cutting half of it out of context in order to take a swipe. Perhaps direct experience and of situations being discussed isn't allowed anymore?
~

Many people DO have direct experience, of both the protests and the Police inaction in allowing their freedom to go about their daily lives. The fact you have this attitude speaks volumes about the distorted perspective of the authorities and their pandering to what is acceptable and what is not to the public I am afraid.

Protest Yes, no problem with that, march for a few hours stand on the roadside chanting, flag waving etc Ok, , block a city for days, glue yourself to a bus/road/aircraft.....no.
Yes indeed, it's clear enough.

turbobloke

103,954 posts

260 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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mcdjl said:
turbobloke said:
mcdjl said:
I hereby give notice that I will be protesting against speed limits and constrictions to traffic flow. My protest will take the form of driving my car at whatever speed I deem to be safe at any location in the country.
Best of luck smile

There's an obligation to ensure that people can engage is lawful peaceful protest. Lawful peaceful protest isn't carte blanche just because notice has been given in advance.
My exhaust is quiet and has recently passed its MOT so my protest will be peaceful. My protest will have minimal/no impact on others so is peaceful. What grounds are there to deny my right to protest?
I was referring to advance notice from XR relating to their so-called protests, which are fortunately alienating the public extremely effectively.

Your notice is noted, and best of luck with police facilitation!

Sophisticated Sarah

15,077 posts

169 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Cold said:
If you're not gluing yourself to the top of an aeroplane are you even protesting?
I’m still disappointed that they noticed the moron was up there.

Agammemnon

1,628 posts

58 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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turbobloke said:
Your notice is noted, and best of luck with police facilitation!
No worries:

Greendubber said:
The police HAVE to facilitate protest, the law says so.

jshell

11,006 posts

205 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Amost as if the authorities would like to ferment a positive backlash against Golden-Flower, Tarquin and Sun-kissed melonflake...

turbobloke

103,954 posts

260 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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jshell said:
Amost as if the authorities would like to ferment a positive backlash against Golden-Flower, Tarquin and Sun-kissed melonflake...
Illuminated by Zion Lights smile

jshell

11,006 posts

205 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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turbobloke said:
jshell said:
Amost as if the authorities would like to ferment a positive backlash against Golden-Flower, Tarquin and Sun-kissed melonflake...
Illuminated by Zion Lights smile
Forgot about her. Probably still licking the wounds that Marr inflicted!!