Climate protesters block roads

[mybrainhurts]

Help them to be one with nature...

Glue them all together and dump them in the ocean.

[irc]

ntiz said:

So we are okay if a crowd of protesters attack and smash up your car or house because of what your company stands for.

You would be happy to stand in court watch them walk with no repercussions because it’s for the cause?

Good point. And it is only a step further for activists to smash up your house because you disagree with them so are obviously evil and uncaring.

[otolith]

NMNeil said:

The worrying thing is that they have now set a legal precedent.

I don't believe that is the case.

[Kawasicki]

ntiz said:

So we are okay if a crowd of protesters attack and smash up your car or house because of what your company stands for.

You would be happy to stand in court watch them walk with no repercussions because it’s for the cause?

As an owner of a car or a house you're begging for it.

[NMNeil]

otolith said:

I don't believe that is the case.

Perhaps, but then again, perhaps not.
https://lexlaw.co.uk/solicitors-london/the-doctrin...

[otolith]

NMNeil said:

otolith said:

I don't believe that is the case.

Perhaps, but then again, perhaps not.
https://lexlaw.co.uk/solicitors-london/the-doctrin...

Legal precedent applies to judgments by judges - not to a jury deciding to return not guilty despite the defendant being obviously guilty because they disagree with the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

[HarryW]

otolith said:

NMNeil said:

otolith said:

I don't believe that is the case.

Perhaps, but then again, perhaps not.
https://lexlaw.co.uk/solicitors-london/the-doctrin...

Legal precedent applies to judgments by judges - not to a jury deciding to return not guilty despite the defendant being obviously guilty because they disagree with the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

Again, nobody’s saying jury nullification doesn’t have a place. It is perfect for bad or silly laws that no right minded person would think was fair or just.
To conflate it with this action of criminal damage being OK is not right and a step too far.

[Blakewater]

A few years ago, vigilante gangs took it upon themselves to hunt down paedophiles and drive them out of their communities.

I'm sure we all agree that paedophilia is abhorrent and if someone who was genuinely guilty of it had his house vandalised, we probably wouldn't shed a tear.

However, that vigilantism was encouraged and allowed to go on to the point where a paediatrician had her home vandalised and was forced to move away as the people carrying out the attack were too thick to know the difference between a paedophile and a paediatrician.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childpr...

No civilised people engage in attacks, even for what some might see as a worthy cause. The only reason XR are getting away with it is because the people they attack don't stoop to their level. They seek recourse in law rather than punching their lights out or driving trucks through their road blockades.

Unlike paedophiles, Shell aren't actually criminals and we all use products derived from oil, as will the XR members and the people in the jury who've been hoodwinked by their propaganda.

https://www.capp.ca/oil/uses-for-oil/#:~:text=Many...



That means if we consider the oil trade to be a crime, none of us is safe from attack, as we're all part of it. As we embolden XR protesters to carry out more attacks on different people they label as criminals, at what point are we going to consider they've gone to far? Attacking our cars? Attacking retailers? Attacking farmers and food suppliers? Attacking drugs manufacturers and hospitals? Will we be able to stop them with civilised legal means when they get their when we've previously said that attacks in the name of their cause are justified and allowed?

[Dagnir]

People don't want truth, they want to feel important and significant.

They're changing the world! Saving the planet!

Certainly no existential or self esteem issues....no sir!

[Pan Pan Pan]

The XR protestors could be offered the cheap, and effective `save the planet' kits, which for the blokes amongst them, consists of a pair of well weighted engineering bricks, and a crotch level sturdy bench (both of which can be used any number of times, making them highly sustainable). For the ladies a tube of super glue, with an application diagram of the knee area. Providing a double layer of protection for the planet
Then they would be showing that they truly mean it, when the `say' they want to save the planet.
Its a win win solution!

[gizlaroc]

NMNeil said:

techguyone said:

This is getting a bit worrying, looks like Wokism has hit Juries now.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56853...



Beggers belief.

I agree.
Protesting for your beliefs is one thing but criminal damage and vandalism is another.
The worrying thing is that they have now set a legal precedent.

Everyone of them is wearing rubber soled shoes.

Hang them!




The fact of the matter is, we are the Carbon. People.

Mass genocide is needed to get the figures they are asking for.


If they go first we could all promise, like pinky promise, we will follow.

[stogbandard]

They nicked their “logo” from a Japanese supermarket https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogo

I also thought it looks like the sort of symbol that you expect to see on a garment washing care label.

Extinction Rebellion - keep unwashed, do not tumble dry.

[nelly1]

stogbandard said:

They nicked their “logo” from a Japanese supermarket https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogo

I also thought it looks like the sort of symbol that you expect to see on a garment washing care label.

Extinction Rebellion - keep unwashed, do not tumble dry.

[AJL308]

digimeistter said:

Wills2 said:

Exactly, I'm glad we have a system that gives jurors "the people" the power to decide, others seem to want a totalitarian state when it suits them, but as we have witnessed over the last 12 months that's the last thing we need, with the police harassing people going about their lawful business being bundled forcibly into the back of Police cars etc...what's in your shopping bag sonny?

People are triggered on here because it's extinction rebellion the same people no doubt that have been on the covid threads ranting about the loss of freedom and democracy and living in a "police state" calling for demonstrations etc...

The jury heard the arguments in court and made a decision and I trust them to have made the right one based upon what was presented.

We're all just a bit surprised, it was criminal damage in law, bang to rights as they say.

Can a large enough activist group now influence the law?

I've just heard of this and find it quite shocking, to be honest. The judge said very clearly that they had no excuse in law to cause the damage. Juries exist to determine guilt (or not) according to law, they are not there to make the law. I'm quite fascinated by the case of the nurse who's up for allegedly murdering babies in Chester. If I were on the jury and the evidence clearly demonstrated that she was guilty am I entitled to vote to acquit because she's kinda pretty and looks a bit like someone I used to go out with? By this juries decision I would be!

Edited by AJL308 on Monday 3rd May 12:25

[garagewidow]

What no posts yet?

It's day 2 of their latest lampoonery.

We're slipping.

[LordLoveLength]

garagewidow said:

What no posts yet?

It's day 2 of their latest lampoonery.

We're slipping.

What lampoonery? The powers that be have realised that these protests depend on the oxygen of publicity to be effective. They are being denied any more than passing mention in the press. It is an effective strategy.


Pretty sure you’ll only see it as a bigger story when they are being dragged away by police…..

[Red9zero]

garagewidow said:

What no posts yet?

It's day 2 of their latest lampoonery.

We're slipping.

Bored with it all by now. Bristol was up to it's 15th Kill the Bill protest (supported by XR) last time I looked. Between that, the Covid road layouts and the incoming CAZ, I gave up with Bristol city centre a long time ago. The protesters will just end up getting their way, but it will kill the city centres in the meantime.

[Ivan stewart]

Hasn’t there been an interview with some daft bint ,one of the leaders bit of a car crash with her justifying owning a diesel car because she has to ferry her brood about !!
These tts interchange seemlessly with most of the leftys , IE bog standard do as I say not as I do hypocrites .

[wastedyouth86]

Ivan stewart said:

Hasn’t there been an interview with some daft bint ,one of the leaders bit of a car crash with her justifying owning a diesel car because she has to ferry her brood about !!
These tts interchange seemlessly with most of the leftys , IE bog standard do as I say not as I do hypocrites .

Yeah on Talk radio, also went to Costa Rica in 2019 for medical reasons as the practice wasn't legal in the UK....

When i hear them talk it just makes me want to eat more meat, fly more and drive more polluting vehicles it has the complete opposite effect on me.

[the-sharpener]

Wait till COP26 starts up in glasgow

the SNP have told the police not to get involved

Its going to be a st show