Climate protesters block roads

[funkyrobot]

Coolbanana said:

LDN said:

It’s official; PH is 90% thicko’s.

People on here arguing against scientific fact; upset at the ‘crusties’ demonstrating and many want to mute other posters who disagree with them. How about grow a pair and keep it moving. Some of you chaps could really do with sorting some sort of life out for yourselves. Genuinely. It’s wall to wall manchild.

I’ll just leave this here for a laugh (perhaps it’s already been posted):
https://youtu.be/obFNcN0Zc7k

We can have ten pages of angry ruddy faces, hurriedly slapping their keyboard in response

It really doesn't matter what PH Gammon think, the 'flat earth' equivalents who deny CC will be dragged along in the wake of the legislature enacted to deal with the issues that need to be dealt with. We see it already with ICE vs Electric.

Sure, they wail, bh and moan and display their intense ignorance on forums such as this but they are irrelevant now, the groundswell towards making changes is well underway and groups like XR keep the pressure on and message on song so that Governments keep ramping up the measures required.

There is ignorance within XR too, much is unrealistic or misunderstood in terms of timescale and solutions but their overall message is the right one generally. They just need managing, to not be allowed to go too far by way of disruption in expressing themselves.

Both of you like Porsche's and have owned or attempted to own them. You both like sports cars.

I guess you have both travelled too?

You also actively post on a motoring forum.

And here you are berating others for not supporting climate change protests? Can you not see that you are just as bad your hypocrite buddies in London?

[FiF]

funkyrobot said:

Coolbanana said:

LDN said:

It’s official; PH is 90% thicko’s.

People on here arguing against scientific fact; upset at the ‘crusties’ demonstrating and many want to mute other posters who disagree with them. How about grow a pair and keep it moving. Some of you chaps could really do with sorting some sort of life out for yourselves. Genuinely. It’s wall to wall manchild.

I’ll just leave this here for a laugh (perhaps it’s already been posted):
https://youtu.be/obFNcN0Zc7k

We can have ten pages of angry ruddy faces, hurriedly slapping their keyboard in response

It really doesn't matter what PH Gammon think, the 'flat earth' equivalents who deny CC will be dragged along in the wake of the legislature enacted to deal with the issues that need to be dealt with. We see it already with ICE vs Electric.

Sure, they wail, bh and moan and display their intense ignorance on forums such as this but they are irrelevant now, the groundswell towards making changes is well underway and groups like XR keep the pressure on and message on song so that Governments keep ramping up the measures required.

There is ignorance within XR too, much is unrealistic or misunderstood in terms of timescale and solutions but their overall message is the right one generally. They just need managing, to not be allowed to go too far by way of disruption in expressing themselves.

Both of you like Porsche's and have owned or attempted to own them. You both like sports cars.

I guess you have both travelled too?

You also actively post on a motoring forum.

And here you are berating others for not supporting climate change protests? Can you not see that you are just as bad your hypocrite buddies in London?

And while they're doing it being so adult and convincing with phrases like deniers, man child, flat earthers, gammon etc. Standard tactics sadly.

[Randy Winkman]

Hoofy said:

There's a lot of criticising of people who claim these protesters are being hypocritical.

Can someone explain why you can't say they're being hypocritical? eg Emma Thompson flying over to protest then flying back to the US is acceptable? But if I post about how everyone should be vegan shortly before tucking into a rare steak, that's bad?

"They're being hypocritical" implies they are all being hypocritical. But the example is only about Emma Thompson. And the other example you give would only be about you. That's why you need more evidence to say they are hypocritical. And I don't think it helps to add stuff like "I bet they all do ……… "

[hutchst]

Down and out said:

Is whatshername kipping out as well?

She was sent home by her agent to read the script again, after announcing on Sky News yesterday from her pretty pink boat just how terrible it all is, because she's seen for herself all the plastic in the ocean.

Jetlag can be a b*tch.

[chunder27]

I think the idea of protest is fine, but what I don't like is wasting police time that could be used elsewhere, especially in London for Gods sake, the worst pace to do this sort of thing.

I think CC deniers are crazy, but I sympathise with their frustration, government really does need to wake up the world over, I think in the UK we do OK, but until places like China, Russis, India start to give a stuff nothing can happen, as they dominate the pollution levels.

Flying is never going to be green, driving could be, but will only change with drastic law changes. freight movement by sea and air looks hard to make green, and lorries I expect are one of the tougher vehicles to make electric, so in reality we are stuffed for a good few years.

But if the world pushed China to actually give a damn, I am sure we could start to move forward. Give him his due, Trump was right years ago, why should I give a toss about it when China don't. You have to remember he is as much a politician as Roland Rat, he knows business though and that decision is based around that, He is wrong obviously but his logic business wise is sound.

[kurt535]

FiF said:

funkyrobot said:

Coolbanana said:

LDN said:

It’s official; PH is 90% thicko’s.

People on here arguing against scientific fact; upset at the ‘crusties’ demonstrating and many want to mute other posters who disagree with them. How about grow a pair and keep it moving. Some of you chaps could really do with sorting some sort of life out for yourselves. Genuinely. It’s wall to wall manchild.

I’ll just leave this here for a laugh (perhaps it’s already been posted):
https://youtu.be/obFNcN0Zc7k

We can have ten pages of angry ruddy faces, hurriedly slapping their keyboard in response

It really doesn't matter what PH Gammon think, the 'flat earth' equivalents who deny CC will be dragged along in the wake of the legislature enacted to deal with the issues that need to be dealt with. We see it already with ICE vs Electric.

Sure, they wail, bh and moan and display their intense ignorance on forums such as this but they are irrelevant now, the groundswell towards making changes is well underway and groups like XR keep the pressure on and message on song so that Governments keep ramping up the measures required.

There is ignorance within XR too, much is unrealistic or misunderstood in terms of timescale and solutions but their overall message is the right one generally. They just need managing, to not be allowed to go too far by way of disruption in expressing themselves.

Both of you like Porsche's and have owned or attempted to own them. You both like sports cars.

I guess you have both travelled too?

You also actively post on a motoring forum.

And here you are berating others for not supporting climate change protests? Can you not see that you are just as bad your hypocrite buddies in London?

And while they're doing it being so adult and convincing with phrases like deniers, man child, flat earthers, gammon etc. Standard tactics sadly.

These threads are indeed infested with deniers; man-children; gammon principally because CC hasn't affected them just yet. But when it does, the collective NIMBY threads demanding the govt takes action to reverse CC ills will crash the PH servers.

[motco]

Even Mr Corbyn says man-made climate change is a hoax.

[T-195]

kurt535 said:

FiF said:

funkyrobot said:

Coolbanana said:

LDN said:

It’s official; PH is 90% thicko’s.

People on here arguing against scientific fact; upset at the ‘crusties’ demonstrating and many want to mute other posters who disagree with them. How about grow a pair and keep it moving. Some of you chaps could really do with sorting some sort of life out for yourselves. Genuinely. It’s wall to wall manchild.

I’ll just leave this here for a laugh (perhaps it’s already been posted):
https://youtu.be/obFNcN0Zc7k

We can have ten pages of angry ruddy faces, hurriedly slapping their keyboard in response

It really doesn't matter what PH Gammon think, the 'flat earth' equivalents who deny CC will be dragged along in the wake of the legislature enacted to deal with the issues that need to be dealt with. We see it already with ICE vs Electric.

Sure, they wail, bh and moan and display their intense ignorance on forums such as this but they are irrelevant now, the groundswell towards making changes is well underway and groups like XR keep the pressure on and message on song so that Governments keep ramping up the measures required.

There is ignorance within XR too, much is unrealistic or misunderstood in terms of timescale and solutions but their overall message is the right one generally. They just need managing, to not be allowed to go too far by way of disruption in expressing themselves.

Both of you like Porsche's and have owned or attempted to own them. You both like sports cars.

I guess you have both travelled too?

You also actively post on a motoring forum.

And here you are berating others for not supporting climate change protests? Can you not see that you are just as bad your hypocrite buddies in London?

And while they're doing it being so adult and convincing with phrases like deniers, man child, flat earthers, gammon etc. Standard tactics sadly.

These threads are indeed infested with deniers; man-children; gammon principally because CC hasn't affected them just yet. But when it does, the collective NIMBY threads demanding the govt takes action to reverse CC ills will crash the PH servers.

OK. So what exactly do these bellends think us Londoners can do to stop Climate Change?

And don't call me a gammon, I very much voted Remain.

[T-195]

I think you guys need some new material maybe.

[Coolbanana]

funkyrobot said:

Both of you like Porsche's and have owned or attempted to own them. You both like sports cars.

I guess you have both travelled too?

You also actively post on a motoring forum.

And here you are berating others for not supporting climate change protests? Can you not see that you are just as bad your hypocrite buddies in London?

This is where education comes in...stop assuming or subscribing to extremes, we have to make changes, yes, but in planned, realistic stages.

I support the CC protests, I do not support unrealistic change. I have made that clear. Adopt green energy where the infrastructure and choice is realistic. XR campaigns to speed up and maintain pressure upon Governments to make the necessary investment, to encourage and educate, to provide realistic means to enable the economies of the World to function without much disruption, to force adaptation to more sustainable solutions.

Individually, we can make smarter, less selfish choices.
It isn't difficult to clean up habits that have been identified as being contributing factors. Fundamentally, however, real change and real differences will only take effect when phased-in legislation forces cleaner systems. But they have to be phased. Education is being stepped up, Governments are making changes. We just need to speed it up a bit and then keep the pace up.

The great dirty machine of human intervention upon Natural processes is slowing, following a period of rapid advancement and uncontrolled pace when the consequences were unknown. We know now, we also know how to slow it, clean up our systems. Sustainably. We just need to do so, and it is the pace of that and the changeover period from one system to another that needs to be managed just right - we are cutting it fine, having procrastinated too long, but it can be done and, as individuals, we can adopt better practices as they become on-line and available. Without whinging. We may have preferred our V8's to our new hybrid or electric cars, for example, but we can accept that the Future requires change.

Electric may itself only be an interim solution before a better system, but it is what we can roll out now to make a difference, so we have to. Same with many other measures. Aviation, Shipping, these need solutions and business needs to address these.

Happily, changes are being made. Legislation will force compliance for those who will stubbornly need to be dragged forward.

[hutchst]

Coolbanana said:

This is where education comes in...stop assuming or subscribing to extremes, we have to make changes, yes, but in planned, realistic stages.

I support the CC protests, I do not support unrealistic change. I have made that clear. Adopt green energy where the infrastructure and choice is realistic. XR campaigns to speed up and maintain pressure upon Governments to make the necessary investment, to encourage and educate, to provide realistic means to enable the economies of the World to function without much disruption, to force adaptation to more sustainable solutions.

Individually, we can make smarter, less selfish choices.
It isn't difficult to clean up habits that have been identified as being contributing factors. Fundamentally, however, real change and real differences will only take effect when phased-in legislation forces cleaner systems. But they have to be phased. Education is being stepped up, Governments are making changes. We just need to speed it up a bit and then keep the pace up.

The great dirty machine of human intervention upon Natural processes is slowing, following a period of rapid advancement and uncontrolled pace when the consequences were unknown. We know now, we also know how to slow it, clean up our systems. Sustainably. We just need to do so, and it is the pace of that and the changeover period from one system to another that needs to be managed just right - we are cutting it fine, having procrastinated too long, but it can be done and, as individuals, we can adopt better practices as they become on-line and available. Without whinging. We may have preferred our V8's to our new hybrid or electric cars, for example, but we can accept that the Future requires change.

Electric may itself only be an interim solution before a better system, but it is what we can roll out now to make a difference, so we have to. Same with many other measures. Aviation, Shipping, these need solutions and business needs to address these.

Happily, changes are being made. Legislation will force compliance for those who will stubbornly need to be dragged forward.

Wouldn't it be more productive, then, if you moved your support to areas where changes aren't being made, and legislation won't force compliance?

[anonymous-user]

[Coolbanana]

T-195 said:

OK. So what exactly do these bellends think us Londoners can do to stop Climate Change?

And don't call me a gammon, I very much voted Remain.

Do you really not understand that London is targeted purely because it brings greater publicity? That London brings the message to the World stage and focusses minds in Parliament?

It isn't about Londoners halting CC negative effects alone, it is about creating as much attention as possible to get the message out to as wide an audience as possible. Think about it, if XR had descended upon Skegness, would they have had as much publicity around the World?

It isn't only London or the UK that needs to change, the World needs to, including China et al - and trade relations can force change there too! As is already happening, albeit slowly.

In terms of 'Green' countries, the UK still has much to do at only 23rd from 153. So campaigning there is valid.
https://www.portugalresident.com/2019/04/16/greene...

[funkyrobot]

Coolbanana said:

This is where education comes in...stop assuming or subscribing to extremes, we have to make changes, yes, but in planned, realistic stages.

I support the CC protests, I do not support unrealistic change. I have made that clear. Adopt green energy where the infrastructure and choice is realistic. XR campaigns to speed up and maintain pressure upon Governments to make the necessary investment, to encourage and educate, to provide realistic means to enable the economies of the World to function without much disruption, to force adaptation to more sustainable solutions.

Individually, we can make smarter, less selfish choices.
It isn't difficult to clean up habits that have been identified as being contributing factors. Fundamentally, however, real change and real differences will only take effect when phased-in legislation forces cleaner systems. But they have to be phased. Education is being stepped up, Governments are making changes. We just need to speed it up a bit and then keep the pace up.

The great dirty machine of human intervention upon Natural processes is slowing, following a period of rapid advancement and uncontrolled pace when the consequences were unknown. We know now, we also know how to slow it, clean up our systems. Sustainably. We just need to do so, and it is the pace of that and the changeover period from one system to another that needs to be managed just right - we are cutting it fine, having procrastinated too long, but it can be done and, as individuals, we can adopt better practices as they become on-line and available. Without whinging. We may have preferred our V8's to our new hybrid or electric cars, for example, but we can accept that the Future requires change.

Electric may itself only be an interim solution before a better system, but it is what we can roll out now to make a difference, so we have to. Same with many other measures. Aviation, Shipping, these need solutions and business needs to address these.

Happily, changes are being made. Legislation will force compliance for those who will stubbornly need to be dragged forward.

When are you giving your cars up then? What about everything you use that is in some way related to a process of material that isn't green in nature?

You are still posting on here. I'm guessing you are using a phone or computer that utilises some sort of material that is processed or mined?

What about your lifestyle. Do you eat meat? Do you eat dairy products?

Do you use biofuels? You know, the fuels that result in deforestation to clear the land to grow the source materials. Such a bizarre and stupid process.

I think people like you should lead by example. Also, anyone protesting should do the same. Especially that God awful actress mouth piece. Could you get a bigger hypocrite?

You harp an about education as if everyone who questions how much humans affect the climate is uneducated. I think you need to understand that believing something someone tells you doesn't mean you are educated. True education comes with questioning things and working out/observing results yourself.

[Helicopter123]

Coolbanana said:

T-195 said:

OK. So what exactly do these bellends think us Londoners can do to stop Climate Change?

And don't call me a gammon, I very much voted Remain.

Do you really not understand that London is targeted purely because it brings greater publicity? That London brings the message to the World stage and focusses minds in Parliament?

It isn't about Londoners halting CC negative effects alone, it is about creating as much attention as possible to get the message out to as wide an audience as possible. Think about it, if XR had descended upon Skegness, would they have had as much publicity around the World?

It isn't only London or the UK that needs to change, the World needs to, including China et al - and trade relations can force change there too! As is already happening, albeit slowly.

In terms of 'Green' countries, the UK still has much to do at only 23rd from 153. So campaigning there is valid.
https://www.portugalresident.com/2019/04/16/greene...

If the aim of these 'protests' was to get people talking about CC again then it has clearly worked.

[Coolbanana]

hutchst said:

Wouldn't it be more productive, then, if you moved your support to areas where changes aren't being made, and legislation won't force compliance?

Why not target all areas? Improvement can be had in most countries.

It is a stupid argument to suggest that if China et al doesn't comply, then why should we. Sensible folk know that we should effect change where we can and seek our Governments, the EU and the USA etc to put trade pressure upon those countries less inclined to comply. China, of course, is championing low-carbon too. It isn't that change won't happen globally, that debate is won, accepted - which is why CC Deniers look so stupid, like Flat Earthers - it is the pace and investment for change that is the focus now.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0150-4

[frisbee]

motco said:

Even Mr Corbyn says man-made climate change is a hoax.

Sneaky! But be careful or you'll be responsible for the suicides of conflicted PHers, "we hate Corbyn but he hates environmentalists. What do I do?!? Who do I hate?!?"

[Down and out]

Unbusy said:

She plants trees dude, so that’s ok isn't it? On the carbon calculator she can even get a Uber ride home when she arrives. Either that or because she’s a lovie?

Does this mean if I have a fag, then a carrot every time, I'll be healthy?

[wc98]

kurt535 said:

These threads are indeed infested with deniers; man-children; gammon principally because CC hasn't affected them just yet. But when it does, the collective NIMBY threads demanding the govt takes action to reverse CC ills will crash the PH servers.

it hasn't affected anyone . yet ? when do you think it will start to affect people in the uk or anywhere else ?

[Pericoloso]

What happened to the storming of Heathrow ?

Seen nothing about it,presumably they decided not to bother,couldn't afford the bus fare from Oxford Circus to Hounslow.