Climate protesters block roads
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Randy Winkman said:
Nickgnome said:
devnull said:
The 16 year old who is fast becoming the spokesperson for this protest. Having a rough idea of the intellectual headspace of a lot of 16 year olds, and it’s not usually focused on making motivational speeches - surely there is someone manipulating this girl to get up and do these talks?
Some parents believe in enabling and empowering their children. Perhaps you have just not met any highly motivated and passionate teenagers.
I think that unless there's good evidence to the contrary she's marvellous and should be celebrated. Perhaps some people just think that teenagers should sit quietly behind their desks and do what the adults tell them to?aeropilot said:
Its only in the last 60-70 years of human existence that its become a problem as medical science has found ways of dealing with many of the nasties of mother nature that has meant a large percentage of the human population never got past 60-65 years of age.
My maternal grandmother lost 2 of her siblings in the pre-WW1 era due to the many childhood mortality illness of the time, now long since eradicated by medical science. Her father died in the late 1930's barely into his 60's and the few photos that exist of him at that time, and he looks 80+, but given he'd been working in a manual labour job, since the age of 12 for pretty much 12 hours a day for 6 days a week, its not surprising.
We can't un-invent science, but sometimes I also thing that some people forget us humans are a relatively insignificant blot on a giant ball of 5000 deg C molton rock spinning through space at 67,000 miles an hour.
I agree.My maternal grandmother lost 2 of her siblings in the pre-WW1 era due to the many childhood mortality illness of the time, now long since eradicated by medical science. Her father died in the late 1930's barely into his 60's and the few photos that exist of him at that time, and he looks 80+, but given he'd been working in a manual labour job, since the age of 12 for pretty much 12 hours a day for 6 days a week, its not surprising.
We can't un-invent science, but sometimes I also thing that some people forget us humans are a relatively insignificant blot on a giant ball of 5000 deg C molton rock spinning through space at 67,000 miles an hour.
Most in good health who put some effort into body and mind maintenance can expect now to live into their mid 80s.
Unfortunately the majority of those do not have the resource to sustain their existence and rely on the state to support them. Reducing the birth rate overly is a sure fire way of reducing the tax take available to look after said ageing population notwithstanding the personnel to carry out the caring.
Should we continue to screw up our environment and climate, earth will see the rise and fall of the human race as a mere spec in its own existence.
It’s a great pity many do not seem to care.
Nickgnome said:
Bank of Mum and Dad?
Most children will be adults long before their parents become pensioners.
There are plenty of activities for children during school holidays. Residential activity centres, camps and the like.
Our problem is an ageing population and the massive economic drag that causes not a youth problem. Particularly in the UK and other developed nations.
How is the silver pound causing massive economic drag? Most children will be adults long before their parents become pensioners.
There are plenty of activities for children during school holidays. Residential activity centres, camps and the like.
Our problem is an ageing population and the massive economic drag that causes not a youth problem. Particularly in the UK and other developed nations.
funkyrobot said:
Did you see the interview on Sky News?
Some woman made a song about climate change and she's got kids singing it and believing her agenda. It's aimed at kids and they even had cartoony shirts on.
She is targeting kids. Kids are quite receptive.
It's more than just the song.
Maybe you understand more now?
Thank you. No I did not see it.Some woman made a song about climate change and she's got kids singing it and believing her agenda. It's aimed at kids and they even had cartoony shirts on.
She is targeting kids. Kids are quite receptive.
It's more than just the song.
Maybe you understand more now?
I would content that children sing nursery rhymes, hymns and the like. They also read fiction.
Well balanced children are quite able to be sceptical of propaganda providing their home environment is of an open and unbigoted nature.
heebeegeetee said:
How is the silver pound causing massive economic drag?
Most of the ageing population have no silver pound. They live off a fairly lowly state pension and consume health and caring services. PH is very atypical. We may in our retirement be able to pay our way and a bit, unfortunately many have not been so lucky.
Nickgnome said:
Mort7 said:
Prevention is better than cure. If those of child bearing age (under 65s) don't stop having as many children we'll still be f
d - even if you do kill off all the pensioners..... but then if you do that, who'll look after their kids during the holidays, and operate as the bank of mum and dad?
Bank of Mum and Dad? d - even if you do kill off all the pensioners..... but then if you do that, who'll look after their kids during the holidays, and operate as the bank of mum and dad?Most children will be adults long before their parents become pensioners.
There are plenty of activities for children during school holidays. Residential activity centres, camps and the like.
Our problem is an ageing population and the massive economic drag that causes not a youth problem. Particularly in the UK and other developed nations.
Breeders, meanwhile, are given money to have more children, having themselves been supported by the taxes of those that you now wish to euthanase. Ungrateful, or what?
The real problem is a generation that claims to be environmentally-driven, but which still jets off on holiday, can't operate without clutching a single-use coffee cup or water bottle, breeds out of control - even when they can't actually afford to do that, and have an overwhelming sense of self-entitlement.
Nickgnome said:
Bank of Mum and Dad?
Most children will be adults long before their parents become pensioners.
There are plenty of activities for children during school holidays. Residential activity centres, camps and the like.
Our problem is an ageing population and the massive economic drag that causes not a youth problem. Particularly in the UK and other developed nations.
Well the bank of mum and dad starts prior to birth and is open until the day we shuffle off. Once the kids become adults they STIL, in the main, need help (to varying degrees). Deposit for a car/house/whateverMost children will be adults long before their parents become pensioners.
There are plenty of activities for children during school holidays. Residential activity centres, camps and the like.
Our problem is an ageing population and the massive economic drag that causes not a youth problem. Particularly in the UK and other developed nations.
Edited by Big Al. on Monday 22 April 11:41
Cold said:
Make speech stating "Something must be done".
Doesn't suggest what.
Cries a little bit at the end to rapturous applause.
Exits stage.
Travels to next country to repeat process.
Marvellous.
I wonder if she walks from rally to rally? Maybe she does it all by video-link because to actually use non-renewable would make her another colossal fDoesn't suggest what.
Cries a little bit at the end to rapturous applause.
Exits stage.
Travels to next country to repeat process.
Marvellous.
king hypocrite markcoznottz said:
Most people are too busy working or studying. It takes no passion or intellect to be an eco warrior, it's just a cop out for bored rich kids. Stand up and say 'we' should do something, not ever being specific about who the 'we' is. Same with the climate change act, baroness Worthington and grommit, bored thick child of aristocracy, and an unemployable non jobber who's family hates the uk. Cameron tagged onto this as he's the same, never had a real job, thickest of the two brothers. It requires no real intelligence to force 'other people'to cut back on energy.
That’s a bit of an angry rant. How much of the actual science have you read? Can you discuss why you consider it flawed?
Are you really willing to take the risk with your children’s and grandchildren’s future?
The are protestors who have actually taken a weeks leave from their works, both blue and white collar to protest.
I spent most of my working life in the centre of London so quite used to disruption from various protests. Minor inconvenience at worst.
The vitriol here is unwarranted.
irocfan said:
Well the bank of mum and dad starts prior to birth and is open until the day we shuffle off. Once the kids become adults they STIL, in the main, need help (to varying degrees). Deposit for a car/house/whatever
Depends on how the children have been raised, educated.As long as they come out of uni debt free and maybe a help with house purchase they are likely totally self sufficient.
Generally well before the parents are 65.
Nickgnome said:
There would need to be good scientific research to evidence any impact of our interventions.
Irony alert, considering it's a statement on a tangential off shoot of a thread where people who are recognising that climate change is happening, as it has since the dawn of time quite naturally, but when questioning where is the good scientific proof to show the human fingerprint as a significant causal factor in that change, are immediately labelled as deniers, or as one person put it diniers (sic) and know nothings simply as this was originally a car forum.tangerine_sedge said:
I'm confused by this thread. Who am I supposed to hate? Is it the stupid youngsters, or the leaching oldsters? Climate campaigners or climate deniers?
I know that I'm supposed to hate someone (it's the PH way), but I'm getting mixed messages, can anyone help me?
Just hate everyone, it's far easier.I know that I'm supposed to hate someone (it's the PH way), but I'm getting mixed messages, can anyone help me?
tangerine_sedge said:
I'm confused by this thread. Who am I supposed to hate? Is it the stupid youngsters, or the leaching oldsters? Climate campaigners or climate deniers?
I know that I'm supposed to hate someone (it's the PH way), but I'm getting mixed messages, can anyone help me?
These days it's all got very confusing, so do as I do and simply hate everybody and everything.I know that I'm supposed to hate someone (it's the PH way), but I'm getting mixed messages, can anyone help me?
It also means you no longer need to worry about reading and digesting various opposing arguments. It has a lot of advantages as a strategy.
Nickgnome said:
I agree.
Most in good health who put some effort into body and mind maintenance can expect now to live into their mid 80s.
Unfortunately the majority of those do not have the resource to sustain their existence and rely on the state to support them. Reducing the birth rate overly is a sure fire way of reducing the tax take available to look after said ageing population notwithstanding the personnel to carry out the caring.
Should we continue to screw up our environment and climate, earth will see the rise and fall of the human race as a mere spec in its own existence.
It’s a great pity many do not seem to care.
Wow, your stupidity knows no bounds does it?Most in good health who put some effort into body and mind maintenance can expect now to live into their mid 80s.
Unfortunately the majority of those do not have the resource to sustain their existence and rely on the state to support them. Reducing the birth rate overly is a sure fire way of reducing the tax take available to look after said ageing population notwithstanding the personnel to carry out the caring.
Should we continue to screw up our environment and climate, earth will see the rise and fall of the human race as a mere spec in its own existence.
It’s a great pity many do not seem to care.
Hers a clue. If we live longer we can work and contribute longer. See? No need for breeding programmes to look after a raft of invalids as you seem to believe.
Mort7 said:
Errr..... I thought the alleged problem was that the older generation have too much disposable income. They therefore support the economy. When they get into their dotage they are forced to sell their houses, and spend all their savings to pay for their care - despite having paid taxes and NI all their lives.
Breeders, meanwhile, are given money to have more children, having themselves been supported by the taxes of those that you now wish to euthanase. Ungrateful, or what?
The real problem is a generation that claims to be environmentally-driven, but which still jets off on holiday, can't operate without clutching a single-use coffee cup or water bottle, breeds out of control - even when they can't actually afford to do that, and have an overwhelming sense of self-entitlement.
A relatively minor portion of the elderly are wealthy. If you look at pension portion of public spending it is a significant portion. When you add the health and social care costs it is thevsingle biggest spend.Breeders, meanwhile, are given money to have more children, having themselves been supported by the taxes of those that you now wish to euthanase. Ungrateful, or what?
The real problem is a generation that claims to be environmentally-driven, but which still jets off on holiday, can't operate without clutching a single-use coffee cup or water bottle, breeds out of control - even when they can't actually afford to do that, and have an overwhelming sense of self-entitlement.
Calling people breeders is uninformed and unnecessary. You could do some proper research which would evidence your error.
irocfan said:
Nickgnome said:
Bank of Mum and Dad?
Most children will be adults long before their parents become pensioners.
There are plenty of activities for children during school holidays. Residential activity centres, camps and the like.
Our problem is an ageing population and the massive economic drag that causes not a youth problem. Particularly in the UK and other developed nations.
Well the bank of mum and dad starts prior to birth and is open until the day we shuffle off. Once the kids become adults they STIL, in the main, need help (to varying degrees). Deposit for a car/house/whateverMost children will be adults long before their parents become pensioners.
There are plenty of activities for children during school holidays. Residential activity centres, camps and the like.
Our problem is an ageing population and the massive economic drag that causes not a youth problem. Particularly in the UK and other developed nations.
I knew it, I knew it! If I popped in on this sunny morn, the laughing Gnome would be here!
I see what you did at the top irocfan, and Nick hasn't even noticed. Nickgnome!
Still, Nick wants to euthanize 65s and over.
Prat!
Get the grandchildren to happily celebrate Nanny's birthday - she's reached 65 - the magic age where she can no longer blow the candles out, we are going to blow her out instead!
irocfan said:
I wonder if she walks from rally to rally? Maybe she does it all by video-link because to actually use non-renewable would make her another colossal fking hypocrite
king hypocrite I don’t think there’s much doubt that she’s a hypocrite. Being played like a fiddle by those with a much more sinister agenda and too naive to see it.
As has been said why not protest in China or India in stead of a country that’s done and is doing more than it’s fair share in reducing pollution?
REALIST123 said:
Wow, your stupidity knows no bounds does it?
Hers a clue. If we live longer we can work and contribute longer. See? No need for breeding programmes to look after a raft of invalids as you seem to believe.
Perhaps you should look at the governmental spend for pensions and care of the elderly. It makes the education budget look pretty measly. Hers a clue. If we live longer we can work and contribute longer. See? No need for breeding programmes to look after a raft of invalids as you seem to believe.
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