Climate protesters block roads
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Any climate change action will be driven by economics and technology. Protest is expression. It's not hypocrisy.
Look at China. They have much as much to lose as anyone from climate change, but are currently undertaking a suicide burn to reach zero emissions at just the very last moment. Hopefully they will get it right. If not, we are all screwed.
Look at China. They have much as much to lose as anyone from climate change, but are currently undertaking a suicide burn to reach zero emissions at just the very last moment. Hopefully they will get it right. If not, we are all screwed.
wc98 said:
Yertis said:
kurt535 said:
a chalk stream thats ran dry in Hertfordshire due to water demand from it outstripping replenishment. CC has arrived for that river and it won't be the last.
Has demand gone up or has replenishment reduced?other river systems appear to have seen abstraction increase by over 90% in a similar timescale according to the article. https://www.ft.com/content/b3ba1684-d875-11e8-a854...
wc98 said:
RobDickinson said:
this post marks you out as a kool aid drinking loon. you have obviously done zero research on lithium mining if you think that image is representative of the actual mining process that occurs as opposed to the evaporation stage shown in your image. that is one stage of one method of lithium extraction. those ponds will also be changing the local climate as the moisture evaporated would not normally be entering the local atmosphere, a good example of actual man made climate change.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/0...
Other, more costly, means of extracting lithium from certain rocks are available.
Hopefully, given our more conscientious approach to such matters, Lithium will be recycled from batteries etc.
Failing that, more hard to get at lithium will be sourced and 'Big Lithium' may become the latest bogie person to scare the kiddies.
kurt535 said:
So many self-centred selfish people on here.
You sum up whats so wrong with our nation; the needs of the individual (you) are deemed greater than the many. So many on here brand themselves as patriots to our country yet have never done/or do little to secure Her future from any harm and new threats such as water shortages/food harvest failures she now faces. The stoic resistance to accept every person needs to alter their behaviour to address CC is lost on so many its sad to read. Despite major geo/political/CC differences between myself and legions on here, the one thing we do have in common is (probably) a love of engines/cars/bikes/aeroplanes. However, you can take genuine steps to negate and offset the pollution they create and its something Id urge you to at least look at.
The denial of climate change effects being here right now is incredible; as is berating and mocking those who raise its awareness. Im surprised none of you have berated a recent Countryfile report highlighting the plight of a chalk stream thats ran dry in Hertfordshire due to water demand from it outstripping replenishment. CC has arrived for that river and it won't be the last.
Unless everyone works together on this, we really are better off being rubbed out off the face of the planet as we really don't deserve to be here.
You can handle global warming by creating more pollution. Pumping 20 million tons of sulphur dioxide into the stratosphere will on average lower the temperature by 0.5 degrees centigrade. There are options to reduce temperatures that do not involve net zero carbon emissions.You sum up whats so wrong with our nation; the needs of the individual (you) are deemed greater than the many. So many on here brand themselves as patriots to our country yet have never done/or do little to secure Her future from any harm and new threats such as water shortages/food harvest failures she now faces. The stoic resistance to accept every person needs to alter their behaviour to address CC is lost on so many its sad to read. Despite major geo/political/CC differences between myself and legions on here, the one thing we do have in common is (probably) a love of engines/cars/bikes/aeroplanes. However, you can take genuine steps to negate and offset the pollution they create and its something Id urge you to at least look at.
The denial of climate change effects being here right now is incredible; as is berating and mocking those who raise its awareness. Im surprised none of you have berated a recent Countryfile report highlighting the plight of a chalk stream thats ran dry in Hertfordshire due to water demand from it outstripping replenishment. CC has arrived for that river and it won't be the last.
Unless everyone works together on this, we really are better off being rubbed out off the face of the planet as we really don't deserve to be here.
aeropilot said:
Coolbanana wont get that though, as he's an Architect
The debate has since moved on to how it should be tackled, solutions. Therefore Deniers can largely be ignored now so long as Governments are proactively dealing with the solving of the issues being faced in this regard and ensuring agreed targets are met. Deniers will be dragged along.
In agreeing solutions, Laws and Economic factors come to the fore, how best to make and enforce solutions that will cause the least disruption and hardship.
Groups such as XR want this debate to be front and centre of Government tasks and want to keep this focus sharp - they do not want complacency to creep in, procrastination due to too many ignorant Deniers allowing the current solution debates to slow or stall. They are extremists, yes. They have unrealistic goals, yes. However, they are afraid the debates, solutions and targets will be harmed by an apathetic population who need to be forced to comply with new CC measures.
This one isn't for Public vote...the Public will largely be selfish, ignorant and stupid because the solutions will, to some degree, hurt financially or at the very least, demand a change to past norms and ways of life. Few will voluntarily adopt the necessary changes. So Governments must work with the prevailing Science and enforce solutions and targets.
kurt535 said:
demand went up and replenishment sadly went down.
how is replenishment supposed to suddenly increase by 90% in some cases to match demand ? replenishment (rainfall) hasn't varied by much,if anything it has increased slighly in the last decade(see met annual rainfall chart for england) in link, but demand has increased by a huge amount.https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/summaries/...
Coolbanana said:
There is no need to debate the fact that human intervention has accelerated Climate Change; the overwhelming majority of Scientists concerned with the debate have accepted this - greater than 90%. The debate in that sense, is over.
The debate has since moved on to how it should be tackled, solutions. Therefore Deniers can largely be ignored now so long as Governments are proactively dealing with the solving of the issues being faced in this regard and ensuring agreed targets are met. Deniers will be dragged along.
In agreeing solutions, Laws and Economic factors come to the fore, how best to make and enforce solutions that will cause the least disruption and hardship.
Groups such as XR want this debate to be front and centre of Government tasks and want to keep this focus sharp - they do not want complacency to creep in, procrastination due to too many ignorant Deniers allowing the current solution debates to slow or stall. They are extremists, yes. They have unrealistic goals, yes. However, they are afraid the debates, solutions and targets will be harmed by an apathetic population who need to be forced to comply with new CC measures.
This one isn't for Public vote...the Public will largely be selfish, ignorant and stupid because the solutions will, to some degree, hurt financially or at the very least, demand a change to past norms and ways of life. Few will voluntarily adopt the necessary changes. So Governments must work with the prevailing Science and enforce solutions and targets.
Spot on. The debate has since moved on to how it should be tackled, solutions. Therefore Deniers can largely be ignored now so long as Governments are proactively dealing with the solving of the issues being faced in this regard and ensuring agreed targets are met. Deniers will be dragged along.
In agreeing solutions, Laws and Economic factors come to the fore, how best to make and enforce solutions that will cause the least disruption and hardship.
Groups such as XR want this debate to be front and centre of Government tasks and want to keep this focus sharp - they do not want complacency to creep in, procrastination due to too many ignorant Deniers allowing the current solution debates to slow or stall. They are extremists, yes. They have unrealistic goals, yes. However, they are afraid the debates, solutions and targets will be harmed by an apathetic population who need to be forced to comply with new CC measures.
This one isn't for Public vote...the Public will largely be selfish, ignorant and stupid because the solutions will, to some degree, hurt financially or at the very least, demand a change to past norms and ways of life. Few will voluntarily adopt the necessary changes. So Governments must work with the prevailing Science and enforce solutions and targets.
otolith said:
Like these, next to an absolutely massive salt pan from which they extract the brine into those small ponds to evaporate?
https://goo.gl/maps/JQnfKyPT4bQWYshT9
Most lithium "mining" (87%) is like this - brine is extracted from lagoons or pumped from underground and allowed to evaporate. The impact of hard rock mining is greater, but I don't see anyone clutching their pearls over aluminium or iron mining.
agreed,though i would hope you accept all mining is an intrusive destructive process to some degree while it takes place ? the fact that destruction takes place where people can't see it seems to make it alright for some. what long term changes to the local environment will result from all that brine extraction and evaporation ? https://goo.gl/maps/JQnfKyPT4bQWYshT9
Most lithium "mining" (87%) is like this - brine is extracted from lagoons or pumped from underground and allowed to evaporate. The impact of hard rock mining is greater, but I don't see anyone clutching their pearls over aluminium or iron mining.
I have no problem with mining providing it is done in a way that minimises pollution and habitat destruction. i do have a problem with people that appear to have selective capability to do basic research on that which they pontificate on to others. the iphone good, ice bad, that appears to be the outlook of extinction rebellion.
3.1416 said:
The top picture appears to be from Bolivia - a primary source of lithium from brine lakes. The extraction process is relatively simple, but the ecology of the area is allegedly delicate.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/0...
Other, more costly, means of extracting lithium from certain rocks are available.
Hopefully, given our more conscientious approach to such matters, Lithium will be recycled from batteries etc.
Failing that, more hard to get at lithium will be sourced and 'Big Lithium' may become the latest bogie person to scare the kiddies.
given the new facilities in the uyuni salar in bolivia and further plans it appears the usual approach of quickest method for highest profit will be taken. not surprising given global demand. the irony is it is the supposed green generation fueling that demand. i think i have had two phones in the last ten years, drive an old car, clear as much plastic from the beach and rocks as is physically possible (for me)every year, keep clothing and footwear until it literally wears out etc yet i am deemed one of the "old crusties" at the ripe old age of 48.https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/0...
Other, more costly, means of extracting lithium from certain rocks are available.
Hopefully, given our more conscientious approach to such matters, Lithium will be recycled from batteries etc.
Failing that, more hard to get at lithium will be sourced and 'Big Lithium' may become the latest bogie person to scare the kiddies.
Johnnytheboy said:
Anyway: isn't there a separate thread about the scientific debate behind climate change?
This thread is for moaning about crusties lying in the road.
This thread is for moaning about crusties lying in the road.
And laughing at protester spokesmuppets like the one inerviewed over the Bank Holiday weekend who acknowledged capitulation in the face of increasing public hostility but said they'd be back because "we're talking about the end of the world".
They really need to field more spokesmuppets like that one. Lots more, and very often.
turbobloke said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Anyway: isn't there a separate thread about the scientific debate behind climate change?
This thread is for moaning about crusties lying in the road.
This thread is for moaning about crusties lying in the road.
And laughing at protester spokesmuppets like the one inerviewed over the Bank Holiday weekend who acknowledged capitulation in the face of increasing public hostility but said they'd be back because "we're talking about the end of the world".
They really need to field more spokesmuppets like that one. Lots more, and very often.
So, the Swedish schoolkid (invited by Green nutter Lucas) is calling for a General Strike.
And look who else has got themselves in the piccy - Ed (bacon buttie) Milliband and none other than the next leader of the LibDUMS, Layla (you know it's just your foolish pride) Moran.
https://whatsnew2day.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/0...
We - sorry, 'THEY' have lost the plot completely.
Coolbanana said:
There is no need to debate the fact that human intervention has accelerated Climate Change; the overwhelming majority of Scientists concerned with the debate have accepted this - greater than 90%. The debate in that sense, is over.
The debate has since moved on to how it should be tackled, solutions. Therefore Deniers can largely be ignored now so long as Governments are proactively dealing with the solving of the issues being faced in this regard and ensuring agreed targets are met. Deniers will be dragged along.
In agreeing solutions, Laws and Economic factors come to the fore, how best to make and enforce solutions that will cause the least disruption and hardship.
Groups such as XR want this debate to be front and centre of Government tasks and want to keep this focus sharp - they do not want complacency to creep in, procrastination due to too many ignorant Deniers allowing the current solution debates to slow or stall. They are extremists, yes. They have unrealistic goals, yes. However, they are afraid the debates, solutions and targets will be harmed by an apathetic population who need to be forced to comply with new CC measures.
This one isn't for Public vote...the Public will largely be selfish, ignorant and stupid because the solutions will, to some degree, hurt financially or at the very least, demand a change to past norms and ways of life. Few will voluntarily adopt the necessary changes. So Governments must work with the prevailing Science and enforce solutions and targets.
Quite simply, one of the best posts I've seen on PH.The debate has since moved on to how it should be tackled, solutions. Therefore Deniers can largely be ignored now so long as Governments are proactively dealing with the solving of the issues being faced in this regard and ensuring agreed targets are met. Deniers will be dragged along.
In agreeing solutions, Laws and Economic factors come to the fore, how best to make and enforce solutions that will cause the least disruption and hardship.
Groups such as XR want this debate to be front and centre of Government tasks and want to keep this focus sharp - they do not want complacency to creep in, procrastination due to too many ignorant Deniers allowing the current solution debates to slow or stall. They are extremists, yes. They have unrealistic goals, yes. However, they are afraid the debates, solutions and targets will be harmed by an apathetic population who need to be forced to comply with new CC measures.
This one isn't for Public vote...the Public will largely be selfish, ignorant and stupid because the solutions will, to some degree, hurt financially or at the very least, demand a change to past norms and ways of life. Few will voluntarily adopt the necessary changes. So Governments must work with the prevailing Science and enforce solutions and targets.
Well said.
dandarez said:
So, the Swedish schoolkid (invited by Green nutter Lucas) is calling for a General Strike.
And look who else has got themselves in the piccy - Ed (bacon buttie) Milliband and none other than the next leader of the LibDUMS, Layla (you know it's just your foolish pride) Moran.
https://whatsnew2day.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/0...
We - sorry, 'THEY' have lost the plot completely.
Don’t they see how stupid they look, taking advice from a barely literate, wet behind the ears puppet?
The world’s gone mad.
Johnnytheboy said:
dandarez said:
So, the Swedish schoolkid (invited by Green nutter Lucas) is calling for a General Strike.
Mind you, I wouldn't notice as I work from home mostly.
dandarez said:
So, the Swedish schoolkid (invited by Green nutter Lucas) is calling for a General Strike.
And look who else has got themselves in the piccy - Ed (bacon buttie) Milliband and none other than the next leader of the LibDUMS, Layla (you know it's just your foolish pride) Moran.
https://whatsnew2day.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/0...
We - sorry, 'THEY' have lost the plot completely.
kurt535 said:
thats right and the volumes aren't been replaced with our dry spells. chalk streams are also rare as rocking horse, even on a global scale. great shame.
Hmmm... I be from Dorset, and have studied geology, and I must admit I'd never realised they were particularly rare. They do tend to dry up in summer though, hence their being named 'Winterbournes' in antiquity. So I'm not surprised that excess additional abstraction would cause them to become permanently dry. We have a lot of dry valleys in Dorset too but that's because, IIRC, *geological mystery*.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff