Climate protesters block roads
Discussion
Coolbanana said:
There is no need to debate the fact that human intervention has accelerated Climate Change; the overwhelming majority of Scientists concerned with the debate have accepted this - greater than 90%. The debate in that sense, is over.
Bearing in mind of course that, rather like the gender question or the race issue, those researchers that go against the zeitgeist - even using scientific method and rigorous methodology, aren't debated or factually rebutted but rather sacked and/or deplatformed. It's a strange place for science to be in, Galileo Galili may have had something to say on that issue.The Beebs latest Attenborough featured a piece on the catastrophic effects of climate change we are increasingly seeing today, hurricanes, fires, floods etc, except statistically there has been no such increase in hurricanes or floods - according to the IPCC themselves, and an actual decline in fires according to the Royal Society. The loss of habitat caused by palm oil may have more to do with mandated EU green policy of 10% of fuel available at forecourts is to be biofuel by 2020(?), this means palm oil production has been increased to accommodate the now 50% of production going to the forecourt. The 'certain' temperature gains of 6% were the worst case scenario out of 5 possibilities, according to the IPCC themselves, truth is no one can know which is why they gave different possibilities; the Beeb of course, just went with the one, the most catastrophic.
I've said above where i stand with renewable energy, pollution, resource management etc, and I'm certainly open to possibilities that our CO2 injection (relatively minute though it may be) may affect a delicate system, but when I see stuff like the above and see scientists and researchers 'taken out' for non-compliance it only increases my scepticism rather than diminishing it.
Coolbanana said:
So Governments must work with the prevailing Science and enforce solutions and targets.
Which is what they are already doing, are they not?Well, western European nations are, it does seem thought that protesters don't want to reinforce the message in parts of the world where emissions are rising.
REALIST123 said:
dandarez said:
So, the Swedish schoolkid (invited by Green nutter Lucas) is calling for a General Strike.
And look who else has got themselves in the piccy - Ed (bacon buttie) Milliband and none other than the next leader of the LibDUMS, Layla (you know it's just your foolish pride) Moran.
https://whatsnew2day.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/0...
We - sorry, 'THEY' have lost the plot completely.
Don’t they see how stupid they look, taking advice from a barely literate, wet behind the ears puppet?
The world’s gone mad.
Yertis said:
kurt535 said:
thats right and the volumes aren't been replaced with our dry spells. chalk streams are also rare as rocking horse, even on a global scale. great shame.
Hmmm... I be from Dorset, and have studied geology, and I must admit I'd never realised they were particularly rare. They do tend to dry up in summer though, hence their being named 'Winterbournes' in antiquity. So I'm not surprised that excess additional abstraction would cause them to become permanently dry. We have a lot of dry valleys in Dorset too but that's because, IIRC, *geological mystery*.What is on the surface may be overflow from or complementary to that below ground.
https://www.bgs.ac.uk/research/groundwater/waterRe...
heebeegeetee said:
Coolbanana said:
So Governments must work with the prevailing Science and enforce solutions and targets.
Which is what they are already doing, are they not?Well, western European nations are, it does seem thought that protesters don't want to reinforce the message in parts of the world where emissions are rising.
Frank7 said:
REALIST123 said:
dandarez said:
So, the Swedish schoolkid (invited by Green nutter Lucas) is calling for a General Strike.
And look who else has got themselves in the piccy - Ed (bacon buttie) Milliband and none other than the next leader of the LibDUMS, Layla (you know it's just your foolish pride) Moran.
https://whatsnew2day.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/0...
We - sorry, 'THEY' have lost the plot completely.
Don’t they see how stupid they look, taking advice from a barely literate, wet behind the ears puppet?
The world’s gone mad.
kurt535 said:
wc98 said:
Yertis said:
kurt535 said:
a chalk stream thats ran dry in Hertfordshire due to water demand from it outstripping replenishment. CC has arrived for that river and it won't be the last.
Has demand gone up or has replenishment reduced?other river systems appear to have seen abstraction increase by over 90% in a similar timescale according to the article. https://www.ft.com/content/b3ba1684-d875-11e8-a854...
Fairly succinct: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-trouble-...
Coolbanana said:
There is no need to debate the fact that human intervention has accelerated Climate Change; the overwhelming majority of Scientists concerned with the debate have accepted this - greater than 90%. The debate in that sense, is over.
The debate has since moved on to how it should be tackled, solutions. Therefore Deniers can largely be ignored now so long as Governments are proactively dealing with the solving of the issues being faced in this regard and ensuring agreed targets are met. Deniers will be dragged along.
In agreeing solutions, Laws and Economic factors come to the fore, how best to make and enforce solutions that will cause the least disruption and hardship.
Groups such as XR want this debate to be front and centre of Government tasks and want to keep this focus sharp - they do not want complacency to creep in, procrastination due to too many ignorant Deniers allowing the current solution debates to slow or stall. They are extremists, yes. They have unrealistic goals, yes. However, they are afraid the debates, solutions and targets will be harmed by an apathetic population who need to be forced to comply with new CC measures.
This one isn't for Public vote...the Public will largely be selfish, ignorant and stupid because the solutions will, to some degree, hurt financially or at the very least, demand a change to past norms and ways of life. Few will voluntarily adopt the necessary changes. So Governments must work with the prevailing Science and enforce solutions and targets.
Spoken like a true self-opinionated plonker. What's it like up there on the moral high ground? Each time you post it's done from the perspective of someone better than anyone who disagrees with you.The debate has since moved on to how it should be tackled, solutions. Therefore Deniers can largely be ignored now so long as Governments are proactively dealing with the solving of the issues being faced in this regard and ensuring agreed targets are met. Deniers will be dragged along.
In agreeing solutions, Laws and Economic factors come to the fore, how best to make and enforce solutions that will cause the least disruption and hardship.
Groups such as XR want this debate to be front and centre of Government tasks and want to keep this focus sharp - they do not want complacency to creep in, procrastination due to too many ignorant Deniers allowing the current solution debates to slow or stall. They are extremists, yes. They have unrealistic goals, yes. However, they are afraid the debates, solutions and targets will be harmed by an apathetic population who need to be forced to comply with new CC measures.
This one isn't for Public vote...the Public will largely be selfish, ignorant and stupid because the solutions will, to some degree, hurt financially or at the very least, demand a change to past norms and ways of life. Few will voluntarily adopt the necessary changes. So Governments must work with the prevailing Science and enforce solutions and targets.
No proper science is ever finished. New techniques and new things are learned that push the science forward. Climate change science is odd because it's so politically driven. Like everything else, the reality is that we have been on this earth for the teeniest amount of time. Some of us like to think we know what is going on, but we don't.
Good luck changing the world with European emissions targets. So long as China and the US are pumping stuff out, it makes a mockery of what we do here.
I simply cannot take anything seriously when it comes to man made climate change. On the one hand we are being told we are ruining the earth, on the next we are allowing a truly wasteful society to prosper. For instance, let's make a scheme that only gives discounts on new build houses. There are lots of perfectly adequate houses already built, but let's build more and slap on some discount. You want to buy a used car? Hell no. Let's make new cars cheaper to buy. We don't want older cars around do we, we want to build lots of new cars. Let's allow manufacturers to build items that can't be fixed. Build them so they are glued together. Who wants an old phone eh? Get a nice shiny new one that you can bin this time next year for another. Let's make it cheaper to ship something across the world than it is to build it at home. The list goes on and on.
Let's have a big climate change summit. Somewhere warm eh? Yeah, let's fly everyone in for it.
Attenborough? What an absolute hyprocrite. Spends a lot of his life travelling around the world, polluting the atmosphere with countless air miles, then lambasts others for doing the same.
Emma Thompson? Sorry luvvies, I have to go to LA for my birthday. Don't worry, I'll fly back in especially to see you all and tell everyone how they are killing the earth.
This is the common theme with man made climate change pioneers - hypocrisy.
Biker 1 said:
Fairly succinct: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-trouble-...
Indeed so. So often the most unlikely people become feted as Oracles for no plausible reason. The one that comes immediately to mind was Christopher Reeve. Nobody would have asked him to comment on anything until he became quadraplegic, but then he became the fount of all wisdom. This child is so obviously a front from her innocent pearls of wisdom to her unbelievable pigtails. What sixteen year old, Asperger's or not, would willingly wear pigtails like some synthetic Polyanna?Biker 1 said:
Fairly succinct: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-trouble-...
But just opinion.motco said:
Indeed so. So often the most unlikely people become feted as Oracles for no plausible reason. The one that comes immediately to mind was Christopher Reeve. Nobody would have asked him to comment on anything until he became quadraplegic, but then he became the fount of all wisdom. This child is so obviously a front from her innocent pearls of wisdom to her unbelievable pigtails. What sixteen year old, Asperger's or not, would willingly wear pigtails like some synthetic Polyanna?
Pippi Longstocking - clearly.Randy Winkman said:
Biker 1 said:
Fairly succinct: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-trouble-...
But just opinion.Here's the three percent
motco said:
Randy Winkman said:
Biker 1 said:
Fairly succinct: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-trouble-...
But just opinion.Here's the three percent
Biker 1 said:
motco said:
Randy Winkman said:
Biker 1 said:
Fairly succinct: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-trouble-...
But just opinion.Here's the three percent
motco said:
Biker 1 said:
motco said:
Randy Winkman said:
Biker 1 said:
Fairly succinct: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-trouble-...
But just opinion.Here's the three percent
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