Climate protesters block roads
Discussion
3.1416 said:
Best hope that nothing remotely similar to this takes place...
What relevance has that to the topic.From History said:
Nationwide power cuts averaged 31 per cent yesterday, with 40 per cent in some areas, and hospitals faced their most critical 24 hours of the strike so far with staff struggling to keep going by candle and battery power.
Limited supplies from standby generators kept premature babies alive and stocks of blood usable, and allowed some essential operations to continue.
https://www.theguardian.com/century/1970-1979/Stor...Limited supplies from standby generators kept premature babies alive and stocks of blood usable, and allowed some essential operations to continue.
Reducing individuals consumption will increase available capacity and therefore resilience.
Biker 1 said:
I wonder what the carbon footprint of this lot ads up to: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:...
Or perhaps this: https://www.flightradar24.com/56.05,14.3/3
I'm guessing that if ships & planes are banned, carbon will be drastically cut. What do the crusties suggest as an alternative?
I read a report years ago highlighting some issues. The best selling animal feed had ingredients from 6 different countries, thousands of miles apart, and that's just one example. I can't see us going back to eating scrawny medieval beasts. Or perhaps this: https://www.flightradar24.com/56.05,14.3/3
I'm guessing that if ships & planes are banned, carbon will be drastically cut. What do the crusties suggest as an alternative?
Nickgnome said:
3.1416 said:
Best hope that nothing remotely similar to this takes place...
What relevance has that to the topic.From History said:
Nationwide power cuts averaged 31 per cent yesterday, with 40 per cent in some areas, and hospitals faced their most critical 24 hours of the strike so far with staff struggling to keep going by candle and battery power.
Limited supplies from standby generators kept premature babies alive and stocks of blood usable, and allowed some essential operations to continue.
https://www.theguardian.com/century/1970-1979/Stor...Limited supplies from standby generators kept premature babies alive and stocks of blood usable, and allowed some essential operations to continue.
Reducing individuals consumption will increase available capacity and therefore resilience.
Nickgnome said:
On the plus side. Most of the angst ridden Ph posters will be dead and public opinion gradually swayed by the science.
A few years of crop failures and water shortages with consequent cost increase will turn the public firmly against the remaining few flat earth types.
Please elaborate - which crop failures have already started this process, and water shortages?A few years of crop failures and water shortages with consequent cost increase will turn the public firmly against the remaining few flat earth types.
Edited by Nickgnome on Wednesday 24th April 11:02
I know SE England has issues, but UK has plenty of rain just not an effective method of distribution.
Getting some facts into this would discussion would help...or is this all future 'catastrophisation' as beloved by too many peeps?
markcoznottz said:
I read a report years ago highlighting some issues. The best selling animal feed had ingredients from 6 different countries, thousands of miles apart, and that's just one example. I can't see us going back to eating scrawny medieval beasts.
You won't need to. Now shut up and eat your lentils.Unless we reverse population growth we won't be able to grow enough lentils, but don't worry – Soylent Green.
The Don of Croy said:
Getting some facts into this would discussion would help...or is this all future 'catastrophisation' as beloved by too many peeps?
I wouldn't hold your breath.Angst ridden Pistonheaders?
We aren't the ones who believe in the imminent destruction of the human race due to a little bit of Global Warming.
Hope that helps.
The Don of Croy said:
Nickgnome said:
On the plus side. Most of the angst ridden Ph posters will be dead and public opinion gradually swayed by the science.
A few years of crop failures and water shortages with consequent cost increase will turn the public firmly against the remaining few flat earth types.
Please elaborate - which crop failures have already started this process, and water shortages?A few years of crop failures and water shortages with consequent cost increase will turn the public firmly against the remaining few flat earth types.
Edited by Nickgnome on Wednesday 24th April 11:02
I know SE England has issues, but UK has plenty of rain just not an effective method of distribution.
Getting some facts into this would discussion would help...or is this all future 'catastrophisation' as beloved by too many peeps?
funkyrobot said:
I'll ask this again.
What are you doing to help the climate if it's in such a dire state? Why are you posting on here when the systems behind this forum use power? Have you got rid of all of your cars? Are you growing your own food and not using any man made fibres in your clothing? Do you still buy items that use processed materials? Have you contacted China, Africa and the US and told them to stop polluting the earth?
You are a deluded hypocrite.
We try and learn as more information becomes available.What are you doing to help the climate if it's in such a dire state? Why are you posting on here when the systems behind this forum use power? Have you got rid of all of your cars? Are you growing your own food and not using any man made fibres in your clothing? Do you still buy items that use processed materials? Have you contacted China, Africa and the US and told them to stop polluting the earth?
You are a deluded hypocrite.
Built a very low energy house with flat roof for PVs.
Drive an hybrid less than 3000 miles a year. Smart car before that.
At least that’s a start.
What are you doing?
P.S. Can’t grow food btw as too exposed and have no soil.
Nickgnome said:
3.1416 said:
Dream on daydream believer.
Highly educated and informative post. You will go far on PH.So about those power cuts. There is a separate chat for power generation.
Demand for electricity is expected to increase, not decrease.
As a flip side to the demands being made by the spoilt brat entitled generation it is quite reasonable to point out the potential chasms of misery they will be subjected to if the Brave New World of zero CO2 emissions fails to deliver on either maintaining the standard of living expected (NHS etc) nor returns the planet to pre-industrialised climate (if that's even a specific state).
HTH
NRS said:
But you're (likely - certainly many posters have done before) using extreme points here to try and say it's (presumably) pointless to bother.
First, the CO2 impact is not just no problem/disaster with a hard border. Unless you flip something in the global circulation system at a tipping point (for us in Europe the obvious thing would be the Gulf Stream) then reducing emissions by say 10% will help, even if it didn't stop all the bad effects of climate change. So it's not completely pointless - every little does help.
You mention the UK - and a lot seem to bring up it's pointless only us in the UK doing something. In reality it's not. The US and Europe are on average reducing their CO2 emissions already. And being over 25% of worldwide CO2 emissions it's not nothing. And tech will have knock on effects elsewhere as the price becomes cheaper. Denmark has gone for the first subsidy free wind farm last year for example. Even some of the middle eastern countries are starting solar now.
Yes, China is the obvious issue in terms of largest emitter, but will presumably face pressure related to air quality etc, in addition to external countries pushing them too. So hopefully they will do more through time too.
what bad effects are you referring to ? must be bad effects that might happen in the future as there hasn't been a single bad effect of man made climate change recorded to date as far as i know.First, the CO2 impact is not just no problem/disaster with a hard border. Unless you flip something in the global circulation system at a tipping point (for us in Europe the obvious thing would be the Gulf Stream) then reducing emissions by say 10% will help, even if it didn't stop all the bad effects of climate change. So it's not completely pointless - every little does help.
You mention the UK - and a lot seem to bring up it's pointless only us in the UK doing something. In reality it's not. The US and Europe are on average reducing their CO2 emissions already. And being over 25% of worldwide CO2 emissions it's not nothing. And tech will have knock on effects elsewhere as the price becomes cheaper. Denmark has gone for the first subsidy free wind farm last year for example. Even some of the middle eastern countries are starting solar now.
Yes, China is the obvious issue in terms of largest emitter, but will presumably face pressure related to air quality etc, in addition to external countries pushing them too. So hopefully they will do more through time too.
I saw many of the 'real' hippies back in the 60s and 70s at rock events and even they weren't as daft nor as misguided as today's bunch of cretins blocking the streets of London.
You could even converse with them back then, when they weren't starkers that is or high as kites!
Just like the 'End is Nigh' Jesus placard bearers who stamped the streets of London daily in the same two decades. The difference was they were harmless as they walked along continually preaching their 'End' gospel.
(which, naturally, may I remind you never materialised!).
The same can't be said for this disruptive shower - that's what it appears a good number of them need!
Look at the ones still up high in the trees in Parliament Square. They've been up there 9 days now I think (what the f
k do they do for a living - can you tell me, do you know?). I suspect (and realise) a good number of them do the disruptive anarchy thing for a living and have been doing so for some time.
One of the 'tree dwellers' was asked by a reporter what would happen if he fell?
He was astute enough in his reply: he said he'd die!
Looking at the height he was, I'd have to agree.
Still, when he comes down he'll need to have a shower or a bath. Wonder what he/they do with their daily wees and dumps? What a thought, eh?
Christ a f'live, and 'you' want people like 'me' to listen 'seriously' to f jerks like these?
Oh, and somebody tell this one that the agenda changed - it's 'Climate Change' - 'global warming' went out of the window ages back, bit like the 'ozone layer' did, and then 'acid rain' et al. Not topical anymore so dropped. Follow the money trail...
You could even converse with them back then, when they weren't starkers that is or high as kites!
Just like the 'End is Nigh' Jesus placard bearers who stamped the streets of London daily in the same two decades. The difference was they were harmless as they walked along continually preaching their 'End' gospel.
(which, naturally, may I remind you never materialised!).
The same can't be said for this disruptive shower - that's what it appears a good number of them need!
Look at the ones still up high in the trees in Parliament Square. They've been up there 9 days now I think (what the f
k do they do for a living - can you tell me, do you know?). I suspect (and realise) a good number of them do the disruptive anarchy thing for a living and have been doing so for some time.One of the 'tree dwellers' was asked by a reporter what would happen if he fell?
He was astute enough in his reply: he said he'd die!
Looking at the height he was, I'd have to agree.
Still, when he comes down he'll need to have a shower or a bath. Wonder what he/they do with their daily wees and dumps? What a thought, eh?
Christ a f'live, and 'you' want people like 'me' to listen 'seriously' to f jerks like these?
Oh, and somebody tell this one that the agenda changed - it's 'Climate Change' - 'global warming' went out of the window ages back, bit like the 'ozone layer' did, and then 'acid rain' et al. Not topical anymore so dropped. Follow the money trail...
Even Titania did her bit helping the protesters
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6943599...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6943599...
Nickgnome said:
funkyrobot said:
I'll ask this again.
What are you doing to help the climate if it's in such a dire state? Why are you posting on here when the systems behind this forum use power? Have you got rid of all of your cars? Are you growing your own food and not using any man made fibres in your clothing? Do you still buy items that use processed materials? Have you contacted China, Africa and the US and told them to stop polluting the earth?
You are a deluded hypocrite.
We try and learn as more information becomes available.What are you doing to help the climate if it's in such a dire state? Why are you posting on here when the systems behind this forum use power? Have you got rid of all of your cars? Are you growing your own food and not using any man made fibres in your clothing? Do you still buy items that use processed materials? Have you contacted China, Africa and the US and told them to stop polluting the earth?
You are a deluded hypocrite.
Built a very low energy house with flat roof for PVs.
Drive an hybrid less than 3000 miles a year. Smart car before that.
At least that’s a start.
What are you doing?
Built a house.
Why not live in a house already built? Building a new house consumes extra nasty materials.Hybrid car. Nasty batteries. Uses power probably generated by something that kills the earth too.
Just as I thought, hypocrite.
I thought a good climate change pioneer like you would get rid of everything and be living amongst the trees by now.
Oh yes, you don't try and learn. How can you learn any more when you said the science is done?
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