Notre Dame on fire - looks pretty serious
Discussion
Vaud said:
Where do you get that number from? The damage was fairly minor.
Though you make a good point that there have been a lot of attacks on churches this year in France.
An article from Breitbart published 20th march.Though you make a good point that there have been a lot of attacks on churches this year in France.
Its not just the attacks that are not being mentioned. On Friday, Islamic terrorist Inez Madani was jailed for eight years for her attempted car bombing outside of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.
It may well be an accident, or an ex alter boy with a grudge, but the media not speculating on at least the coincidence of the imprisonment or the attacks is the most suspicious thing about the fire.
dasigty said:
Vaud said:
Where do you get that number from? The damage was fairly minor.
Though you make a good point that there have been a lot of attacks on churches this year in France.
An article from Breitbart published 20th march.Though you make a good point that there have been a lot of attacks on churches this year in France.
Its not just the attacks that are not being mentioned. On Friday, Islamic terrorist Inez Madani was jailed for eight years for her attempted car bombing outside of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.
It may well be an accident, or an ex alter boy with a grudge, but the media not speculating on at least the coincidence of the imprisonment or the attacks is the most suspicious thing about the fire.
Minor vandalism at 4 churches across France reported by the French press and one door set alight at the Saint-Sulpice church in Paris in a proven arson attack. There's probably 4 counts of minor vandalism at churches in the UK at the same time.
One key point to suggest the Notre Dame fire was not arson is arsonists tend to not start fires at the top.
One key point to suggest the Notre Dame fire was not arson is arsonists tend to not start fires at the top.
dasigty said:
Whats yours ?
I read the articles about the incident in a couple of French papers (I speak and read French) - you can use google translate as a pretty good approximation. The fire looked and was described as relatively minor. No-one mentioned hundreds of millions of euros of damage, though clearly there was some damage.
Vaud said:
It's no different to the "land a man on the moon" speech. The point in that case wasn't an absolute 10 year measure, it was a rallying cry that the US could rise to a challenge.
No one will care if it is 5 or 10 years in this case, it is a sense of pride that France can respond.
The clear up, assessment and survey will probably take a year?
The redesign committees for things like the spire, 2 years?
Sourcing that much seasoned timber - similar?
Then there is finding that many artisan workers...
It's politics but not shameful politics in my view.
Totally agree about it being a target to aim for.No one will care if it is 5 or 10 years in this case, it is a sense of pride that France can respond.
The clear up, assessment and survey will probably take a year?
The redesign committees for things like the spire, 2 years?
Sourcing that much seasoned timber - similar?
Then there is finding that many artisan workers...
It's politics but not shameful politics in my view.
On the other young chaps point, this particular cathederal has been the focus, more than once, in recent years by Islamic extremists. This is a matter of record.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Notre-Dame_de_P...
Cold said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
yonex said:
God doesn’t make fire suppression systems, man did that.
But you have to admit, lightning rods on church steeples does show a remarkable lack of confidence in the product being sold therein. 
All based on hazy recollection of a subject I don't find interesting - so feel free to correct!
FourWheelDrift said:
Minor vandalism at 4 churches across France reported by the French press and one door set alight at the Saint-Sulpice church in Paris in a proven arson attack. There's probably 4 counts of minor vandalism at churches in the UK at the same time.
One key point to suggest the Notre Dame fire was not arson is arsonists tend to not start fires at the top.
Even the Washington post confirms more than that, an they are the polar opposite of Breitbart, your key point is shot down by the arson attack being started in the Gallery in the march attack (Confirmed arson by the French police).One key point to suggest the Notre Dame fire was not arson is arsonists tend to not start fires at the top.
dasigty said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Minor vandalism at 4 churches across France reported by the French press and one door set alight at the Saint-Sulpice church in Paris in a proven arson attack. There's probably 4 counts of minor vandalism at churches in the UK at the same time.
One key point to suggest the Notre Dame fire was not arson is arsonists tend to not start fires at the top.
Even the Washington post confirms more than that, an they are the polar opposite of Breitbart, your key point is shot down by the arson attack being started in the Gallery in the march attack (Confirmed arson by the French police).One key point to suggest the Notre Dame fire was not arson is arsonists tend to not start fires at the top.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-church/pa...
Breitbart's 'several hundred million euros' claim
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/03/20/twelve-...
is seemingly linked to the below article, which mentions nothing of the kind;
http://www.evangeliques.info/articles/1970/01/01/f...
Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 17th April 12:40
dasigty said:
Even the Washington post confirms more than that, an they are the polar opposite of Breitbart, your key point is shot down by the arson attack being started in the Gallery in the march attack (Confirmed arson by the French police).
If your point is "should the French be concerned that there seems to be an increase in attacks on churches/places of worship in the last 2 years" then yes... is it reported widely outside of France? no... it is a French internal issue at the moment?Jesus seen in the flames
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...
You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.
Bless.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6930225/M...
You'll need the Daily Mail's helpfully overlaid dots to see what the woman is on about mind you.
Bless.
warch said:
Yep nothing dodgy about that news source.
As if the French MSM are any better ?, they have played down a string of attacks on catholic churches, and stayed stum about a terrorist being imprisoned for planting a bomb outside the very church that burns down two days later.Yep nothing dodgy there either ;0)
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