Notre Dame on fire - looks pretty serious
Discussion
dasigty said:
rscott said:
As posted previously -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vandalism-at-hu...
- clearly states the number of incidents fell in 2018 compared to 2017 by 20% .
The other link I posted before (which you also seem to have ignored, presumably because it doesn't fit your views) is clear that the Catholic church themselves don't see any connections between the incidents.
The "confirmed arson attack" is presumably the fire at St Sulpice. The curate of that church has confirmed that preliminary reports show it was started by a homeless person in there -https://www.newsweek.com/wake-notre-dame-fire-priest-church-where-other-arson-took-place-warns-against-1400494?amp=1 .
The media have been reporting these cases - the 10 in March were widely reported.
Interesting to see that the Ministry of the Interior are taking these attacks (on all faiths) seriously - see quotes from them here https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/churches-destroy... .
Quoting 2017/18 numbers is a nonsense, the attacks have increased since Feb 2019 and are at the rate of two a day now.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vandalism-at-hu...
- clearly states the number of incidents fell in 2018 compared to 2017 by 20% .
The other link I posted before (which you also seem to have ignored, presumably because it doesn't fit your views) is clear that the Catholic church themselves don't see any connections between the incidents.
The "confirmed arson attack" is presumably the fire at St Sulpice. The curate of that church has confirmed that preliminary reports show it was started by a homeless person in there -https://www.newsweek.com/wake-notre-dame-fire-priest-church-where-other-arson-took-place-warns-against-1400494?amp=1 .
The media have been reporting these cases - the 10 in March were widely reported.
Interesting to see that the Ministry of the Interior are taking these attacks (on all faiths) seriously - see quotes from them here https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/churches-destroy... .
That they are not stating it outright is not the same thing.
No, it was a confirmed arson attack, the curate has speculated it could have been a homeless person.
Yet the leader of the Republican party Laurent Wauquiez has complained constantly that the media have been downplaying these incidents.
Snopes is the infowars of the left.
None of the above addresses the point made. The media did not bring up either the attacks or the jailing of the bomber on Friday in connection with the fire.
The lack of speculation from the media is the story, their usual frenzy of any and ever possible connection, no matter how far fetched, is the norm.
I see you've ignored the quotes from the French Interior Ministry on the Snopes link.
Why should the media link the jailing of the attempted bomber to a fire which was started by an electrical short circuit?
voyds9 said:
BlackLabel said:
“Notre-Dame: Police say 'short circuit' most likely cause of devastating blaze”
https://news.sky.com/story/short-circuit-most-like...
Cause of Notre Dame fire found immediately.https://news.sky.com/story/short-circuit-most-like...
Just another example of the French famed efficiency.
They must have melted their boots to get through the wreckage so quickly.
Suddenly realised I care nothing about this. Rich French people finally getting out their cheque books for the wrong reasons.......
Lots of churches over the years have burnt down or fallen down.
My local church was built in 862AD and had a fire in 1882. The chestnut trees were planted after the Spanish Armada was beaten and still exist to this day.
Churches and time are intermingled, this is just a snapshot of a modern world obsessed about a moment in time.
And at this moment in time all that place is, is a tourist attraction to roll in the $$.
Not heard anything yet of money pouring in to rebuild churches in Sri Lanka.
Lots of churches over the years have burnt down or fallen down.
My local church was built in 862AD and had a fire in 1882. The chestnut trees were planted after the Spanish Armada was beaten and still exist to this day.
Churches and time are intermingled, this is just a snapshot of a modern world obsessed about a moment in time.
And at this moment in time all that place is, is a tourist attraction to roll in the $$.
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 20th April 21:18
Not heard anything yet of money pouring in to rebuild churches in Sri Lanka.
Edited by Gandahar on Monday 22 April 14:15
NRS said:
cardigankid said:
Don’t take it so seriously
Mind you, are we seriously saying the building wasn’t insured? As for the funds being paid in stages, who exactly is going supervise that? If you have donated to any kind of charity or fund what you will know is that within 48 hours they are onto you for the payment.
It's self insurance. You can do it for yourself when driving your car if you are rich enough I believe. If you have the wealth to be able to pay for the cost of repairs/ a new version then why pay a company to cover it? In reality we do it for lots of stuff at home that would be too expensive to pay insurance on - say a microwave. It could break etc, but it's cheaper for us just to get a new one when it breaks, rather than paying a company extra to do the same just in case.Mind you, are we seriously saying the building wasn’t insured? As for the funds being paid in stages, who exactly is going supervise that? If you have donated to any kind of charity or fund what you will know is that within 48 hours they are onto you for the payment.
Edited by cardigankid on Friday 19th April 21:10
rscott said:
2 a day? That's 730 a year, so less than the official figure for last year.
I see you've ignored the quotes from the French Interior Ministry on the Snopes link.
Why should the media link the jailing of the attempted bomber to a fire which was started by an electrical short circuit?
Hence the saying that Statistics is the last refuge of a scoundrel.I see you've ignored the quotes from the French Interior Ministry on the Snopes link.
Why should the media link the jailing of the attempted bomber to a fire which was started by an electrical short circuit?
Just as you ignored the leader of the Republican party, I personally would not believe the date if it was on the snoops link.
Because the media usually speculates on any connections after an event such as this, its far to connected to just be ignored as it was.
A very politically convenient cause "Found" in record time, I think there is a Fireman on the board, would love to hear his take on finding credible evidence of electrical short circuit in a major fire of that intensity in a few days.
dasigty said:
Hence the saying that Statistics is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Just as you ignored the leader of the Republican party, I personally would not believe the date if it was on the snoops link.
Because the media usually speculates on any connections after an event such as this, its far to connected to just be ignored as it was.
A very politically convenient cause "Found" in record time, I think there is a Fireman on the board, would love to hear his take on finding credible evidence of electrical short circuit in a major fire of that intensity in a few days.
What do you think happened then? Spit it, don't be so coy.Just as you ignored the leader of the Republican party, I personally would not believe the date if it was on the snoops link.
Because the media usually speculates on any connections after an event such as this, its far to connected to just be ignored as it was.
A very politically convenient cause "Found" in record time, I think there is a Fireman on the board, would love to hear his take on finding credible evidence of electrical short circuit in a major fire of that intensity in a few days.
dasigty said:
Hence the saying that Statistics is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Just as you ignored the leader of the Republican party, I personally would not believe the date if it was on the snoops link.
Because the media usually speculates on any connections after an event such as this, its far to connected to just be ignored as it was.
A very politically convenient cause "Found" in record time, I think there is a Fireman on the board, would love to hear his take on finding credible evidence of electrical short circuit in a major fire of that intensity in a few days.
Pedant that I am sometimes, patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, that said, scoundrels will seek refuge anywhereJust as you ignored the leader of the Republican party, I personally would not believe the date if it was on the snoops link.
Because the media usually speculates on any connections after an event such as this, its far to connected to just be ignored as it was.
A very politically convenient cause "Found" in record time, I think there is a Fireman on the board, would love to hear his take on finding credible evidence of electrical short circuit in a major fire of that intensity in a few days.
skwdenyer said:
voyds9 said:
BlackLabel said:
“Notre-Dame: Police say 'short circuit' most likely cause of devastating blaze”
https://news.sky.com/story/short-circuit-most-like...
Cause of Notre Dame fire found immediately.https://news.sky.com/story/short-circuit-most-like...
Just another example of the French famed efficiency.
They must have melted their boots to get through the wreckage so quickly.
Gandahar said:
Suddenly realised I care nothing about this. Rich French people finally getting out their cheque books for the wrong reasons.......
Lots of churches over the years have burnt down or fallen down.
My local church was built in 862AD and had a fire in 1882. The chestnut trees were planted after the Spanish Armada was beaten and still exist to this day.
Churches and time are intermingled, this is just a snapshot of a modern world obsessed about a moment in time.
And at this moment in time all that place is, is a tourist attraction to roll in the $$.
Not heard anything yet of money pouring in to rebuild churches in Sri Lanka from the French rich folk ?? Far too far away it seems.Lots of churches over the years have burnt down or fallen down.
My local church was built in 862AD and had a fire in 1882. The chestnut trees were planted after the Spanish Armada was beaten and still exist to this day.
Churches and time are intermingled, this is just a snapshot of a modern world obsessed about a moment in time.
And at this moment in time all that place is, is a tourist attraction to roll in the $$.
Gandahar said:
Gandahar said:
Suddenly realised I care nothing about this. Rich French people finally getting out their cheque books for the wrong reasons.......
Lots of churches over the years have burnt down or fallen down.
My local church was built in 862AD and had a fire in 1882. The chestnut trees were planted after the Spanish Armada was beaten and still exist to this day.
Churches and time are intermingled, this is just a snapshot of a modern world obsessed about a moment in time.
And at this moment in time all that place is, is a tourist attraction to roll in the $$.
Not heard anything yet of money pouring in to rebuild churches in Sri Lanka from the French rich folk ?? Far too far away it seems.Lots of churches over the years have burnt down or fallen down.
My local church was built in 862AD and had a fire in 1882. The chestnut trees were planted after the Spanish Armada was beaten and still exist to this day.
Churches and time are intermingled, this is just a snapshot of a modern world obsessed about a moment in time.
And at this moment in time all that place is, is a tourist attraction to roll in the $$.
A good read https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/16/wor...
Balls of steel doesn't even come close.
Balls of steel doesn't even come close.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: A good read https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/16/wor...
Balls of steel doesn't even come close.
Certainly doesn’t. To think the keyboard warriors had the nerve to criticise the response as well.Balls of steel doesn't even come close.
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