Facebook bans UK far right groups
Discussion
Teddy Lop said:
Brooking10 said:
The “correctthink “ of which you speak is prescribed where and by whom ?
Take your Brexit example, I feel quite confident in saying that the significant majority of Remainers do not count the significant majority of Leavers as “far right”.
It’s not a prescription in any way shape or form, it’s an assumption and a fabrication based on opinion.
brexit is generally consistently portrayed as a hard-right concept though, and plain wrong/irrational rather than an alternative and valid PoV to hold. Take your Brexit example, I feel quite confident in saying that the significant majority of Remainers do not count the significant majority of Leavers as “far right”.
It’s not a prescription in any way shape or form, it’s an assumption and a fabrication based on opinion.
Or is it that, as has been frequently stated, the part of that population who hold such views voted for Brexit along with a whole host of other slices of society who hold different views but also support leaving ?
rscott said:
Portrayed by who?
A tiny number of pro Brexit supporters seem to be in favour of it simply because it'll stop immigration, give us back complete control of our laws, let us fly Union & St George's flags every day of the year, everyone will have a bulldog, suit of armour, sword, etc.
They're the Brextremists who are often linked to the far right groups like Britain First, the EDL, Generation Identity, etc.
sorry folks, bringing up brexit was supposed to be an example to make a point relevent to the threads core rather than hijack it into *another* brexit thread so perhaps I'll leave this here, clearly my experiences differ a little.A tiny number of pro Brexit supporters seem to be in favour of it simply because it'll stop immigration, give us back complete control of our laws, let us fly Union & St George's flags every day of the year, everyone will have a bulldog, suit of armour, sword, etc.
They're the Brextremists who are often linked to the far right groups like Britain First, the EDL, Generation Identity, etc.
Countdown said:
And, again, some examples would be nice. Just because "you" don't think they should be labelled as fascists, doesn't actually mean that they AREN'T fascists.
Just type antifa into YouTube. Watch pretty much ANY video.Fascism... "Characterised by forcible suppression of opposition..." keep this definition in mind when you watch them riot against anyone wishing to speak with a conservative viewpoint.
It's the most ironic name for a group I think I've ever heard.
"They're Antifa therefore all people they are against, are fascists" is not a valid argument.
For every Antifa action against "actual" fascists, I bet 100 could be found against the "not at all fascist, but on the political right"
Countdown said:
If you have sympathies with people like BNP/EDL/Britain First/For Britain and you think you're moderate right you're kidding yourself.
not really. The issue is muddied because the initial message is on we can all get on-board with:surely it's a scandal that veterans suffer a higher degree of mental health issues
surely it's a scandal that pensioners suffer financial hardship
surely etc
Now on the face of it this is valid sentiment that everyone can get behind - it issue is when the narrative blames "... those bloody X, Y, Z..." it's at that point that people need to question what the (blatantly open, hostile and bulls
t) message is. Fundoreen said:
sort of curious how this went. Did people wake up and go to check for the latest gossip only to find their newsfeed a bit barren looking?
Surely some hate preaching groups Facebook or Instagram is a rubbish place to get your fix of hate preaching? They must all have their own websites and forums or whatever anyway.It’s like all the former banned people on this thread rejoined here in the last year or so, just to post loads on these right vs left and immigration threads. You’d think that being banned would make them go to some more focused forum where they’re more welcome?
Must be like bash a mole for the mods trying to keep them out.
Countdown said:
It's not the genuine moderate right that are being welcomed by the far Right.
It's those that tried to convince themselves they were moderate and are now feeling marginalised/exposed when they get banned by the the likes of FB etc.
If you have sympathies with people like BNP/EDL/Britain First/For Britain and you think you're moderate right you're kidding yourself.
I did like that womans knockers though. I would temper that by saying they could just as easily be swinging to the left or the right to get me into Mr Happy modeIt's those that tried to convince themselves they were moderate and are now feeling marginalised/exposed when they get banned by the the likes of FB etc.
If you have sympathies with people like BNP/EDL/Britain First/For Britain and you think you're moderate right you're kidding yourself.
samdale said:
Just type antifa into YouTube. Watch pretty much ANY video.
Fascism... "Characterised by forcible suppression of opposition..." keep this definition in mind when you watch them riot against anyone wishing to speak with a conservative viewpoint.
It's the most ironic name for a group I think I've ever heard.
"They're Antifa therefore all people they are against, are fascists" is not a valid argument.
For every Antifa action against "actual" fascists, I bet 100 could be found against the "not at all fascist, but on the political right"
https://philadelphiainformer.com/100344/antifa-beat-up-an-innocent-jewish-man-in-philadelphia-philadelphia-video/Fascism... "Characterised by forcible suppression of opposition..." keep this definition in mind when you watch them riot against anyone wishing to speak with a conservative viewpoint.
It's the most ironic name for a group I think I've ever heard.
"They're Antifa therefore all people they are against, are fascists" is not a valid argument.
For every Antifa action against "actual" fascists, I bet 100 could be found against the "not at all fascist, but on the political right"
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-...
http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/06/11/portland-...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/video-ant...
Don't worry though - "It's OK to punch a Nazi" - and many on the left are only too willing to label anyone who gets in their way as 'Nazi'.
irocfan said:
Countdown said:
If you have sympathies with people like BNP/EDL/Britain First/For Britain and you think you're moderate right you're kidding yourself.
not really. The issue is muddied because the initial message is on we can all get on-board with:surely it's a scandal that veterans suffer a higher degree of mental health issues
surely it's a scandal that pensioners suffer financial hardship
surely etc
Now on the face of it this is valid sentiment that everyone can get behind - it issue is when the narrative blames "... those bloody X, Y, Z..." it's at that point that people need to question what the (blatantly open, hostile and bulls
t) message is. techiedave said:
Countdown said:
It's not the genuine moderate right that are being welcomed by the far Right.
It's those that tried to convince themselves they were moderate and are now feeling marginalised/exposed when they get banned by the the likes of FB etc.
If you have sympathies with people like BNP/EDL/Britain First/For Britain and you think you're moderate right you're kidding yourself.
I did like that womans knockers though. I would temper that by saying they could just as easily be swinging to the left or the right to get me into Mr Happy modeIt's those that tried to convince themselves they were moderate and are now feeling marginalised/exposed when they get banned by the the likes of FB etc.
If you have sympathies with people like BNP/EDL/Britain First/For Britain and you think you're moderate right you're kidding yourself.
Lucas Ayde said:
samdale said:
Just type antifa into YouTube. Watch pretty much ANY video.
Fascism... "Characterised by forcible suppression of opposition..." keep this definition in mind when you watch them riot against anyone wishing to speak with a conservative viewpoint.
It's the most ironic name for a group I think I've ever heard.
"They're Antifa therefore all people they are against, are fascists" is not a valid argument.
For every Antifa action against "actual" fascists, I bet 100 could be found against the "not at all fascist, but on the political right"
https://philadelphiainformer.com/100344/antifa-beat-up-an-innocent-jewish-man-in-philadelphia-philadelphia-video/Fascism... "Characterised by forcible suppression of opposition..." keep this definition in mind when you watch them riot against anyone wishing to speak with a conservative viewpoint.
It's the most ironic name for a group I think I've ever heard.
"They're Antifa therefore all people they are against, are fascists" is not a valid argument.
For every Antifa action against "actual" fascists, I bet 100 could be found against the "not at all fascist, but on the political right"
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-...
http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/06/11/portland-...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/video-ant...
Don't worry though - "It's OK to punch a Nazi" - and many on the left are only too willing to label anyone who gets in their way as 'Nazi'.
Randy Winkman said:
Clearly not very nice for the victims but still miles behind the extreme right when it comes to murders.
I don't condone violence from either side.I can understand the far right logic of "violence towards X because I hate X" much more than the far left "I don't agree with you, therefore violence. You also need to be branded as X so that my violence seems justified."
Would people have more acceptance of far right violence if they branded their targets as Nazis first?
i.e. violence is acceptable if your target is universally hated?
Thundersports said:
Let's make one thing clear I don't support Britain First.
However Jayda used to frequent a local Pub and I can confirm she has a cracking rack.......
In true PH jump the threads to make a point that isn't there I conclude :However Jayda used to frequent a local Pub and I can confirm she has a cracking rack.......
That the pub was called the Slave Traders rest.
Jayda was the local barmaid who was sexually molested on every shift. The whole pub was frequented by institutionally misogynistic men.who thought Benny Hill was the pinnacle of comedy.
In fact had Jayda not been subjected to such verbal and physical abuse simply because of her cracking rack. Then Jayda would not have turned into the person she is
- Jayda was a victim too
techiedave said:
In true PH jump the threads to make a point that isn't there I conclude :
That the pub was called the Slave Traders rest.
Jayda was the local barmaid who was sexually molested on every shift. The whole pub was frequented by institutionally misogynistic men.who thought Benny Hill was the pinnacle of comedy.
In fact had Jayda not been subjected to such verbal and physical abuse simply because of her cracking rack. Then Jayda would not have turned into the person she is
So why didn't she just join ISIS like any normal decent young lady victimised and socially excluded by the white patriarchy?That the pub was called the Slave Traders rest.
Jayda was the local barmaid who was sexually molested on every shift. The whole pub was frequented by institutionally misogynistic men.who thought Benny Hill was the pinnacle of comedy.
In fact had Jayda not been subjected to such verbal and physical abuse simply because of her cracking rack. Then Jayda would not have turned into the person she is
- Jayda was a victim too
The fact that no far left groups have been banned from Facebook doesn't mean there aren't people who should or have been banned for causing offence in expressing such views.
Maybe when we can apply the principles of guilt by association to the far left as they are to the right, we can tackle more widely held extremist views.
It seems it's all too easy for individuals to get away with this stuff on one side, while entire groups are banned on the other. Maybe it is a valid point that such groups aren't so prevalent on the left, but this doesn't excuse the actions of individuals. This leaves it down to the public to report abusive social media posts for example rather than see a blanket ban on the pages they might subscribe to.
Specific examples of disparity can be seen where views are 'anti Israel'. The only real difference in the substance I can see is that where these are nurtured in universities, they're more intellectually presented than your usual anti immigration argument. Not that of course you'd get very far presenting say a detailed study outlining a negative economic impact from a non native group.
Maybe when we can apply the principles of guilt by association to the far left as they are to the right, we can tackle more widely held extremist views.
It seems it's all too easy for individuals to get away with this stuff on one side, while entire groups are banned on the other. Maybe it is a valid point that such groups aren't so prevalent on the left, but this doesn't excuse the actions of individuals. This leaves it down to the public to report abusive social media posts for example rather than see a blanket ban on the pages they might subscribe to.
Specific examples of disparity can be seen where views are 'anti Israel'. The only real difference in the substance I can see is that where these are nurtured in universities, they're more intellectually presented than your usual anti immigration argument. Not that of course you'd get very far presenting say a detailed study outlining a negative economic impact from a non native group.
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