Facebook bans UK far right groups
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Rivenink said:
Have there been any incidents where someone subscribing to far-left ideology has embarked on mass-murder?
I'm genuinely ignorant on whether they have as all of the incidents I'm aware of have been attributed to the far-right.
And this is a problem. I'm genuinely ignorant on whether they have as all of the incidents I'm aware of have been attributed to the far-right.
The media and lefties teachers have literally changed history
Communism killed more than the nazis by a huge magnitude. That somebody could not know this is ‘problematic’
Rivenink said:
The point of not being tolerant of fascism is not to eradicate it, it is to prevent its insidious messages from being widespread. Fascism encourages intolerance. It preys upon the primal, tribal instincts of "us vs them". Most people are not fascists, but they can be influenced into supporting it when exposed to the propaganda.
Are you suggesting the far left, momentum etc, do not encourage the tribal instincts of "us vs them?"Rivenink said:
amusingduck said:
Doesn't that just reinforce their beliefs?
I don't think hiding the nastiness is going to work.
By curtailing frivolous and "fighting" words, the Party seeks to narrow the range of thought altogether, such that eventually, thoughtcrime will be literally impossible.
It's like that's the goal, if you hide it well enough people won't be able to form those viewpoints. Except of course they can, because you can't stop people from talking to each other. It should be out in the open and challenged, not hidden away.
The point of not being tolerant of fascism is not to eradicate it, it is to prevent its insidious messages from being widespread. Fascism encourages intolerance. It preys upon the primal, tribal instincts of "us vs them". Most people are not fascists, but they can be influenced into supporting it when exposed to the propaganda.I don't think hiding the nastiness is going to work.
By curtailing frivolous and "fighting" words, the Party seeks to narrow the range of thought altogether, such that eventually, thoughtcrime will be literally impossible.
It's like that's the goal, if you hide it well enough people won't be able to form those viewpoints. Except of course they can, because you can't stop people from talking to each other. It should be out in the open and challenged, not hidden away.
biggbn said:
Hereward said:
I read that lip service week in week out. Nothing changes.
You are aware momentum founder is Jewish? Pesty said:
Rivenink said:
Have there been any incidents where someone subscribing to far-left ideology has embarked on mass-murder?
I'm genuinely ignorant on whether they have as all of the incidents I'm aware of have been attributed to the far-right.
And this is a problem. I'm genuinely ignorant on whether they have as all of the incidents I'm aware of have been attributed to the far-right.
The media and lefties teachers have literally changed history
Communism killed more than the nazis by a huge magnitude. That somebody could not know this is ‘problematic’
But i think it is more about Facebook not hosting sites and ideologies that breed the mindset of the bloke who leaned out of his van window and shouted "f
k off s" at my mate as we walked through town last week. Facebook aren't making a political judgement of leftiness versus rightiness; they're looking at racism, incitement to violence, etc
Turning to the relative merits of neo-nazis versus commies, belief in racial supremacy is fundamental to Nazi-style fascism. That's a first order moral failure. In contrast, Communism is predicated on notions of universal equality. Being a Communist doesn't in itself represent a moral failure; you might just have a naive understanding of economics, politics and history. They really aren't morally equivalent even though both lead to despotism and many examples of genocide.
Turning to the relative merits of neo-nazis versus commies, belief in racial supremacy is fundamental to Nazi-style fascism. That's a first order moral failure. In contrast, Communism is predicated on notions of universal equality. Being a Communist doesn't in itself represent a moral failure; you might just have a naive understanding of economics, politics and history. They really aren't morally equivalent even though both lead to despotism and many examples of genocide.
Labradorofperception said:
It is surprising to find someone not being aware of Stalin's purges etc.
But i think it is more about Facebook not hosting sites and ideologies that breed the mindset of the bloke who leaned out of his van window and shouted "fk off s" at my mate as we walked through town last week.
And the bloke who shot and killed Joe Cox.But i think it is more about Facebook not hosting sites and ideologies that breed the mindset of the bloke who leaned out of his van window and shouted "f
k off s" at my mate as we walked through town last week. Catat10 said:
andy_s said:
Far left is ok then...?
Can you provide an example of a far-left social media page/group that spreads hate, attacks or calls for the exclusion of others on the basis of who they are?The division of people into convenient groups of hatred despite the variety within those groups is something we recognise and don’t tolerate when it comes to sex or race; however we’re a bit slow with all the other forms of ‘generalised discrimination’ used to promote a certain message using hatred as the vector... I’d perhaps go so far as to venture that moderate conservatism has far less hate-filled rhetoric than even a moderate left, that is their central tenet after all - to be oppressed you need an oppressor. [< ATG from your point about equality]
Edited by andy_s on Thursday 18th April 15:40
Facebook and instagram have banned British National Party, Britain First, the English Defence League, Knights Templar International and the National Front and British National Party leader Nick Griffin, and Paul Golding and Jayda Fransen of Britain First.
Facebook say they’ve banned, “those who proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence."
They happen to all be right wing hate groups.
Why are people banging on about momentum and antifa? Those aren’t left wing hate groups. Do you think it’s unfair or something? Or are you just struggling to find equivalent UK far left hate groups that Facebook should be banning?
Facebook say they’ve banned, “those who proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence."
They happen to all be right wing hate groups.
Why are people banging on about momentum and antifa? Those aren’t left wing hate groups. Do you think it’s unfair or something? Or are you just struggling to find equivalent UK far left hate groups that Facebook should be banning?
andy_s said:
Amply covered above but to add to the point, the far left happily stoke hate against ‘the one percent’, ‘the bankers’, ‘Tory scum’, ‘Toffs’ it’s there every week in the Communist Times.
You forgot 'gammons', and Brexiteers who are just dismissed as racists or old people whose opinion doesn't matter because they'll be dead soon. Some of the most vile abuse however was directed at Labour's own MPs such as Angela Eagle among others, who dared to oppose Corbyn.Jewish people ironically are the only ethnic group the Left abuse but this is done with impunity, as conveniently Labour have not designated them an ethnic group and thus the abuse is not racism.
Funny people the hate filled Lefties.
andy_s said:
Amply covered above but to add to the point, the far left happily stoke hate against ‘the one percent’, ‘the bankers’, ‘Tory scum’, ‘Toffs’ it’s there every week in the Communist Times.
The division of people into convenient groups of hatred despite the variety within those groups is something we recognise and don’t tolerate when it comes to sex or race; however we’re a bit slow with all the other forms of ‘generalised discrimination’ used to promote a certain message using hatred as the vector... I’d perhaps go so far as to venture that moderate conservatism has far less hate-filled rhetoric than even a moderate left, that is their central tenet after all - to be oppressed you need an oppressor. [< ATG from your point about equality]
What a strange post..you write this...The division of people into convenient groups of hatred despite the variety within those groups is something we recognise and don’t tolerate when it comes to sex or race; however we’re a bit slow with all the other forms of ‘generalised discrimination’ used to promote a certain message using hatred as the vector... I’d perhaps go so far as to venture that moderate conservatism has far less hate-filled rhetoric than even a moderate left, that is their central tenet after all - to be oppressed you need an oppressor. [< ATG from your point about equality]
Edited by andy_s on Thursday 18th April 15:40
...The division of people into convenient groups of hatred despite the variety within those groups is something we recognise and don’t tolerate when it comes to sex or race; however we’re a bit slow with all the other forms of ‘generalised discrimination’ used to promote a certain message using hatred as the vector...
Then go on to do exactly what you criticise by ascribing 'hate' characteristics to the extreme left?
Edited by biggbn on Thursday 18th April 15:58
Pesty said:
And this is a problem.
The media and lefties teachers have literally changed history
Communism killed more than the nazis by a huge magnitude. That somebody could not know this is ‘problematic’
I left school in 1990. Many of my teachers were born before or during WWII. I was never really taught about Communism, but we did study Hitler/the Nazis quite a bit. So I don't think this is some sort of modern lefty conspiracy.The media and lefties teachers have literally changed history
Communism killed more than the nazis by a huge magnitude. That somebody could not know this is ‘problematic’
biggbn said:
andy_s said:
Amply covered above but to add to the point, the far left happily stoke hate against ‘the one percent’, ‘the bankers’, ‘Tory scum’, ‘Toffs’ it’s there every week in the Communist Times.
The division of people into convenient groups of hatred despite the variety within those groups is something we recognise and don’t tolerate when it comes to sex or race; however we’re a bit slow with all the other forms of ‘generalised discrimination’ used to promote a certain message using hatred as the vector... I’d perhaps go so far as to venture that moderate conservatism has far less hate-filled rhetoric than even a moderate left, that is their central tenet after all - to be oppressed you need an oppressor. [< ATG from your point about equality]
What a strange post..you right this...The division of people into convenient groups of hatred despite the variety within those groups is something we recognise and don’t tolerate when it comes to sex or race; however we’re a bit slow with all the other forms of ‘generalised discrimination’ used to promote a certain message using hatred as the vector... I’d perhaps go so far as to venture that moderate conservatism has far less hate-filled rhetoric than even a moderate left, that is their central tenet after all - to be oppressed you need an oppressor. [< ATG from your point about equality]
Edited by andy_s on Thursday 18th April 15:40
...The division of people into convenient groups of hatred despite the variety within those groups is something we recognise and don’t tolerate when it comes to sex or race; however we’re a bit slow with all the other forms of ‘generalised discrimination’ used to promote a certain message using hatred as the vector...
Then go in to do exactly what you criticise?
El stovey said:
Facebook and instagram have banned British National Party, Britain First, the English Defence League, Knights Templar International and the National Front and British National Party leader Nick Griffin, and Paul Golding and Jayda Fransen of Britain First.
Facebook say they’ve banned, “those who proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence."
They happen to all be right wing hate groups.
Why are people banging on about momentum and antifa? Those aren’t left wing hate groups. Do you think it’s unfair or something? Or are you just struggling to find equivalent UK far left hate groups that Facebook should be banning?
Because if your sympathies lie with the far Right you’re going to be very peeved that “your” favourite web pages are being censored,especially when those web pages that “You” consider to be repugnant aren’t.Facebook say they’ve banned, “those who proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence."
They happen to all be right wing hate groups.
Why are people banging on about momentum and antifa? Those aren’t left wing hate groups. Do you think it’s unfair or something? Or are you just struggling to find equivalent UK far left hate groups that Facebook should be banning?
andy_s said:
Mea culpa but only to a slight degree, I’d just say I wasn’t ‘hating’, just observing and although a generalism, it was meant in the instituational sense (ie it’s a subscribed group view).
Thanks man, explanation appreciated. Edited my post to correct appalling spelling, another problem of those loony lefties!!!
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