Senior Politician caught drinking on train
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amusingduck said:
"More good than harm" isn't a relative comparison.
"Mao wasn't as bad as Hitler" is a relative comparison
It was said in comparison to hitler though, the interview is available, watch it. A stupid comment for sure but in context not as stupid as some are making out. My recollection is she said, 'on balance I suppose you could say mao did more good than harm, you can't say that about the Nazis' and it was in answer to Neil's question why is it OK to wear a mao t shirt and not a hitler one. Context is everything."Mao wasn't as bad as Hitler" is a relative comparison
LoonyTunes said:
B'stard Child said:
amusingduck said:
No matter which way you slice it, there's more results for Boris Johnson than DA on PH.
That’s because so many DA threads have been deleted 
Lets also mention that a lot of the posts about Boris are in support of him - not something you could reasonably say about DA or at all actually as I've yet to see one.
Why don't other BAME MP's get multiple threads, or any at all.
Why does Corbyn get so many threads even though he's white, middle class and wealthy? Same goes for May.
The common theme is their actions, not their colour or gender.
biggbn said:
amusingduck said:
"More good than harm" isn't a relative comparison.
"Mao wasn't as bad as Hitler" is a relative comparison
It was said in comparison to hitler though, the interview is available, watch it. A stupid comment for sure but in context not as stupid as some are making out. My recollection is she said, 'on balance I suppose you could say mao did more good than harm, you can't say that about the Nazis' and it was in answer to Neil's question why is it OK to wear a mao t shirt and not a hitler one. Context is everything."Mao wasn't as bad as Hitler" is a relative comparison
DA: I suppose some people will judge that , on balance, Mao did more good than harm. You can't say that about the Nazis
MP: Just tell me what was the good that he did that made up for the 60 million people that he murdered
DA: He led his country from feudalism, he helped to defeat the japanese, and he left his country on the verge of the great economic success they're having now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA
"on balance"
when all factors are taken into consideration.
I don't understand where you're struggling with what she said.
amusingduck said:
AN: Why is it right to wear a Maoist T-shirt, but obviously wrong - because it is - to wear a hitler T-shift?
DA: I suppose some people will judge that , on balance, Mao did more good than harm. You can't say that about the Nazis
MP: Just tell me what was the good that he did that made up for the 60 million people that he murdered
DA: He led his country from feudalism, he helped to defeat the japanese, and he left his country on the verge of the great economic success they're having now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA
"on balance"
when all factors are taken into consideration.
I don't understand where you're struggling with what she said.
To be fair to her, that question is rather akin to 'when did you stop beating your wife?'DA: I suppose some people will judge that , on balance, Mao did more good than harm. You can't say that about the Nazis
MP: Just tell me what was the good that he did that made up for the 60 million people that he murdered
DA: He led his country from feudalism, he helped to defeat the japanese, and he left his country on the verge of the great economic success they're having now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA
"on balance"
when all factors are taken into consideration.
I don't understand where you're struggling with what she said.
People do wear Mao t-shirts. Abbott is not responsible for what people wear. She was asked a closed question on something that is clearly considered 'ok' by a number of people, giving her the option to either say a) it's not ok to wear that t-shirt (and then have to explain why), or b) try to justify the 'fashion' choices of other people - which she did so, albeit poorly.
If she was sat there in a Mao t-shirt herself (maybe sipping on a Mojito) then it would be rather different.
amusingduck said:
AN: Why is it right to wear a Maoist T-shirt, but obviously wrong - because it is - to wear a hitler T-shift?
DA: I suppose some people will judge that , on balance, Mao did more good than harm. You can't say that about the Nazis
MP: Just tell me what was the good that he did that made up for the 60 million people that he murdered
DA: He led his country from feudalism, he helped to defeat the japanese, and he left his country on the verge of the great economic success they're having now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA
"on balance"
when all factors are taken into consideration.
I don't understand where you're struggling with what she said.
I don't understand what you are struggling with man, sorry. Agree to disagree. It was a stupid comment but had some validity in the context. Let's just both not understand each other!!DA: I suppose some people will judge that , on balance, Mao did more good than harm. You can't say that about the Nazis
MP: Just tell me what was the good that he did that made up for the 60 million people that he murdered
DA: He led his country from feudalism, he helped to defeat the japanese, and he left his country on the verge of the great economic success they're having now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA
"on balance"
when all factors are taken into consideration.
I don't understand where you're struggling with what she said.
biggbn said:
irocfan said:
quite possibly it is the most ridiculous - but it IS the law. Surely s such she should obey the bloody thing.
As an aside to looney - look at the disproportionate lambasting that the sainted Maggie T gets from the left. Misogyny and racism there too?
If only people had the same attitude to speeding which seems to be a law widely spoken about being ignored with impunity on this forum As an aside to looney - look at the disproportionate lambasting that the sainted Maggie T gets from the left. Misogyny and racism there too?
TTwiggy said:
amusingduck said:
AN: Why is it right to wear a Maoist T-shirt, but obviously wrong - because it is - to wear a hitler T-shift?
DA: I suppose some people will judge that , on balance, Mao did more good than harm. You can't say that about the Nazis
MP: Just tell me what was the good that he did that made up for the 60 million people that he murdered
DA: He led his country from feudalism, he helped to defeat the japanese, and he left his country on the verge of the great economic success they're having now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA
"on balance"
when all factors are taken into consideration.
I don't understand where you're struggling with what she said.
To be fair to her, that question is rather akin to 'when did you stop beating your wife?'DA: I suppose some people will judge that , on balance, Mao did more good than harm. You can't say that about the Nazis
MP: Just tell me what was the good that he did that made up for the 60 million people that he murdered
DA: He led his country from feudalism, he helped to defeat the japanese, and he left his country on the verge of the great economic success they're having now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA
"on balance"
when all factors are taken into consideration.
I don't understand where you're struggling with what she said.
People do wear Mao t-shirts. Abbott is not responsible for what people wear. She was asked a closed question on something that is clearly considered 'ok' by a number of people, giving her the option to either say a) it's not ok to wear that t-shirt (and then have to explain why), or b) try to justify the 'fashion' choices of other people - which she did so, albeit poorly.
If she was sat there in a Mao t-shirt herself (maybe sipping on a Mojito) then it would be rather different.
Edited to add - in some ways the above should make her more appealing, especially to anyone who finds politicans generally too calculating. In practice though it will probably be seen as incompetence.
Edited by markjmd on Tuesday 23 April 17:58
LoonyTunes said:
Johnnytheboy said:
LoonyTunes said:
Yep, I've just noticed your user name too. Old, broken and probably White. As you were everyone 
Probably not.
TTwiggy said:
The Mein Kampf thing was quite amusing. Someone decided to do a little experiment by changing the 'Jews' to 'Muslims' in quotes from Hitler's book. He (or she) started with quite subtle stuff, and when it became clear that he'd (or she'd) hooked a few posters the quotes got ever-more disgusting, and still some posters agreed with the sentiment (with one or two 'I get the gist of what you're saying but you may be going a little far there chap!')
It was your chew-the-fat mate 'thekungfury' aka TKF among his many other usernames here but of course you didn't know that did you?Tom Logan said:
TTwiggy said:
The Mein Kampf thing was quite amusing. Someone decided to do a little experiment by changing the 'Jews' to 'Muslims' in quotes from Hitler's book. He (or she) started with quite subtle stuff, and when it became clear that he'd (or she'd) hooked a few posters the quotes got ever-more disgusting, and still some posters agreed with the sentiment (with one or two 'I get the gist of what you're saying but you may be going a little far there chap!')
It was your chew-the-fat mate 'thekungfury' aka TKF among his many other usernames here but of course you didn't know that did you?
LoonyTunes said:
Yeah, righto - How many threads does Boris Johnson get? Or JRM? 
I'll just wait until this afternoon when she gets another new thread all to herself. But it's not covert racism, honest guv.
NoI'll just wait until this afternoon when she gets another new thread all to herself. But it's not covert racism, honest guv.
It wasn't covert racism. I posted it for the reasons I mentioned. I know its very difficult for some types to get past the idea that she is incompetent. It's because of people like you that many people no longer care being called racist because its becoming meaningless and trivial. People like you are the reason why the very far right gets attention
You just don't get it. You really are the major part of the problem.
oyster said:
The 09:01 Clapham Junction to Shepherds Bush takes 12 minutes and costs £1.70 on an oyster card.
The 09:06 Clapham Junction to Shepherds Bush takes 12 minutes and costs £1.70 on an oyster card.
On one of those you are legally allowed to drink alcohol. On the other you are not.
Now tell there isn't a more ridiculous law in the land?
So one isn't a TFL train then ? I agree that the law seems odd and mentioned this pretty early on in the thread.The 09:06 Clapham Junction to Shepherds Bush takes 12 minutes and costs £1.70 on an oyster card.
On one of those you are legally allowed to drink alcohol. On the other you are not.
Now tell there isn't a more ridiculous law in the land?
biggbn said:
amusingduck said:
"More good than harm" isn't a relative comparison.
"Mao wasn't as bad as Hitler" is a relative comparison
It was said in comparison to hitler though, the interview is available, watch it. A stupid comment for sure but in context not as stupid as some are making out. My recollection is she said, 'on balance I suppose you could say mao did more good than harm, you can't say that about the Nazis' and it was in answer to Neil's question why is it OK to wear a mao t shirt and not a hitler one. Context is everything."Mao wasn't as bad as Hitler" is a relative comparison
The question was not which one was worse. The question was why one is ok and one not.
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