Over 100 dead in Sri Lanka :(

[Mothersruin]

egor110 said:

Getragdogleg said:

egor110 said:

philthy said:

Whoever did this, has just made themselves a very powerful enemy:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48011075

Really ?

He'a a billionaire but when push came to shove it made no difference .

I should think that if he had the idea that vengeance was a good idea he could do more damage with his Billions than if say you or I were feeling the same.

You think he’s going to hire some mercenaries to kill the potential terrorists ?

My point was for all his money it made no difference to whoever decided to blow themselves up , his family were worth the same as the chef or the person clearing the tables.

look at the Thai chap that owned Leicester Football Club.

All the money in the world, a great guy by all accounts and well liked and respected - pooff! Gone. Counted for nought.

Life is way too short and fragile to do anything other than enjoy it as best you can right now.

Just wish the people that wish harm on others would dissolve themselves with their own bile.

[voyds9]

Are we expecting an outbreak of crucifixes and Muslims removing hijabs in solidarity.

Or just sorrow for the deaths of Easter worshippers.

[glazbagun]

andy_s said:

grumbledoak said:

andy_s said:

With the caveat that you're of course lumping 'extremists' in with everyone else of the same religion with all that may imply, I'd agree that an enlightenment and reformation is needed, or at least a de-politicisation. There are quite a few prominent Muslims saying the same thing.

Quite right. Apart from the fact that it is the "extremists" who are doing exactly what Mohamed intended.

Well, that's one interpretation, but not necessarily the one that the majority abide by. I've lived/worked in North Africa for two decades and my observation is that extremists and terrorists are equally reviled there as here [Christians are a poor 4th/5th in the league table of who to get rid of].
The problem is partly that it [Islam] is far more entrenched in daily life than Christianity, partly that state and church is not as separate as the west and partly the use of it as a political tool by whichever despot or group wants to gain power.

Look how Ayatollah Khomeini deliberately mis-interpreted the ritual self-flagellation used to mark Husayn ibn Ali's sufferage to get around the fact the Qur'an prohibits self-harm and suicide, all to enable him to send tens of thousands of kids to their certain death during the Iran-Iraq wars. Shortly afterwards Hezbollah [also Syrian-Iran backed] refined the idea of human mine detectors to arrive at the suicide bomber, first used to great effect in Beirut against the Americans but since used extensively, despite what is written in the Qur'an.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#History,_pre-1980

Was quite surpised how relatively few suicide attacks have been noted historically. I guess when you have an army full of serfs, motivating them into suicidal attacks is relatively difficult, and pre-gunpowder it would have had a limited effect anyway.

[liam1986]

TeamD said:

Countdown said:

TeamD said:

Countdown said:

TeamD said:

I thought that being a jew is genetic? It's not like I can convert to Judaism is it?

I'm pretty sure Jews have the same genes as everybody else.

Hmmm, dna fingerprinting wouldn't work too well if they did would it?

DNA and genes aren't the same thing.

Erm, no they're not, but genes include dna, the basis for heredity, if everyone had the same genes incorporating the same dna then we would all be the same. Unless you are just taking the piss?

Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is what stores the nucleotide sequence genes are made up of. A gene is just a paticular part of a chromatid that codes for a paticular mRNA sequence.

We may find a gullible and stupid gene one day. That would certainly explain someone being religious, so religon could be in our genes.

[BlackLabel]

voyds9 said:

Are we expecting an outbreak of crucifixes and Muslims removing hijabs in solidarity.

Or just sorrow for the deaths of Easter worshippers.

Some real strange use of words from certain political figures who seem reluctant to refer to the victims as Christians. Or even mention the terrorism word.

May described it as “acts of violence against churches and hotels in Sri Lanka“. And Obama and Clinton were speaking about ‘Easter worshippers’.

[anonymous-user]

BlackLabel said:

voyds9 said:

Are we expecting an outbreak of crucifixes and Muslims removing hijabs in solidarity.

Or just sorrow for the deaths of Easter worshippers.

Some real strange use of words from certain political figures who seem reluctant to refer to the victims as Christians. Or even mention the terrorism word.

May described it as “acts of violence against churches and hotels in Sri Lanka“. And Obama and Clinton were speaking about ‘Easter worshippers’.

Only Christians celebrate Easter, it’s not difficult,

The attacks on hotels were non-denominational

This set of atrocities is stty enough without the need for an extra layer of conspiratorial nonsense regarding its reporting,

[wisbech]

TeamD said:

That's something that has always confused me. Obviously Bali is part of Indonesia, pretty much the largest (if not the largest) Muslim country on the planet, yet it would appear that the island has enough autonomy (being not majority Muslim) to control the lunatics. A lovely place with lovely people...but terrible traffic issues

It is unofficial Govt policy across all of Indonesia not just Bali

After the first Bali bomb, everything was done by the book. But at the trials, the accused joked, smiled, and used it as a propaganda platform. And as some of them were only periferally involved- some sentences were light. Embarrassing all around

The national police then formed something called ‘densus 88’ (detachment 88) and since then, every terror cell busted have all ‘gone down fighting’ and ‘resisted arrest’ with no more trials, except for one or two very high profile preachers who couldn’t be shot out of hand.

88 refers to the number of Aussies killed in the first bombing, a not very subtle shout out to the country where the most tourists come from that Indonesia takes their security seriously

Edited by wisbech on Tuesday 23 April 00:01

[jdw100]

TeamD said:

jdw100 said:

Hoofy said:

jdw100 said:

Should do what they do in my country (well, particular island).

Any uppity muslims preaching hate/caliphate or seem to be planning anything....bullet in back of head in a paddy field.

A formula that seems to have worked since the Bali bombings.

Hm. The problem is that over time they pick other groups. And before you know it, you can't say you like V8 engines just because they create more pollution than electric cars.

On my Facebook feed there are so many pro-London protesters that I can't be bothered to disagree on there. I do plan to get a V8, though, before it's outlawed. So they've definitely got their point across.

Edited by Hoofy on Monday 22 April 13:01

Unlikely, 'they' started doing this in response to the dreadful effect the bombings had on the economy.

To start on other groups makes no sense at all in that context.

Think also of time and energy spent following hundreds of suspects around 24hrs a day in the UK.

The intelligence services aren't doing this for fun, they are doing it because these people are a genuine threat to the public.

Some of these targeted individuals will pose an imminent threat.

They are thinking and planning how to commit an act of terrorism, right now.

Here, they might find themselves dead before they get the chance to act. Seems to have worked for the last 14 years.......

That's something that has always confused me. Obviously Bali is part of Indonesia, pretty much the largest (if not the largest) Muslim country on the planet, yet it would appear that the island has enough autonomy (being not majority Muslim) to control the lunatics. A lovely place with lovely people...but terrible traffic issues

It's not the authorities doing this. Its community/criminal organisations. Although the Polisi do turn a blind eye.

Yes the people are lovely both here and indeed across Indonesia. I'm recovering from a bone graft, the kindness I have experienced here makes me tear up even thinking about it. I was helped by some neighbours after I had the seizure that destroyed my shoulder socket. They are very poor, came to hospital with me etc....

Interesting fact: Less than 1 person per million of population in Indonesia went off to join with ISIS, fight in Syria for the caliphate etc.

In France the figure is 14-18 per 1m, UK roughly 10 per 1 million.

[wisbech]

jdw100 said:

It's not the authorities doing this. Its community/criminal organisations. Although the Polisi do turn a blind eye.

Yes the people are lovely both here and indeed across Indonesia. I'm recovering from a bone graft, the kindness I have experienced here makes me tear up even thinking about it. I was helped by some neighbours after I had the seizure that destroyed my shoulder socket. They are very poor, came to hospital with me etc....

Interesting fact: Less than 1 person per million of population in Indonesia went off to join with ISIS, fight in Syria for the caliphate etc.

In France the figure is 14-18 per 1m, UK roughly 10 per 1 million.

Yep- though violence is never that far away. The G30S killings in Bali in 65/66 were apparantly the worst in terms of % killed as the Banjar ‘cleansed’ Bali of left wingers (the governor of Bali in the early 60’s was left wing, and had tried to reduce the power of the caste system)

(my family are Javanese, and my FIL would talk about anything except what happened back then, apart from that it was a dark time that he had no intention in talking about)

Heck, when I first started working in Indonesia labour organisers could be ‘dealt with’ in a similar way as islamicists now - with police turning blind eye.

[BlackLabel]

Brooking10 said:

Only Christians celebrate Easter, it’s not difficult,

The attacks on hotels were non-denominational

This set of atrocities is stty enough without the need for an extra layer of conspiratorial nonsense regarding its reporting,

Nothing conspiratorial about it. It’s just an observation.

Post Christchurch that atrocity was quickly, and rightly so, called out as a white supremacist terrorist attack which targeted Muslims.

So why not call a spade a spade here?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawa...

[grumbledoak]

BlackLabel said:

So why not call a spade a spade here?

"Keeping people calm"

You don't hear anyone using the phrase "Passover worshippers".

[anonymous-user]

BlackLabel said:

Brooking10 said:

Only Christians celebrate Easter, it’s not difficult,

The attacks on hotels were non-denominational

This set of atrocities is stty enough without the need for an extra layer of conspiratorial nonsense regarding its reporting,

Nothing conspiratorial about it. It’s just an observation.

Post Christchurch that atrocity was quickly, and rightly so, called out as a white supremacist terrorist attack which targeted Muslims.

So why not call a spade a spade here?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawa...

1 - Christchurch was evidently as described immediately as it broke thank to the sick live streaming

2 - the tweets linked in the LBC piece are all reactive at a time when full details and responsibility unclear

3 - the Tweeters in question would all identify as Christian and to me their language seems perfectly reflective of that

4 - linked to the above identifying the targets as “Christians and tourists” makes little sense versus “Easter worshippers and tourists “ or “churchgoers and tourists”

5 - as details emerge there are plenty of reports now which focus on the religion of one of the target groups

This one is particularly extensive

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48018417

There really is nothing to see here as regards the implications some are making.

[andy_s]

anonymous said:

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*sigh* It was a joke; did anyone seriously think I genuinely thought he said Jews were descended from donkeys? I know subtlety isn't a strong point on here but all the same...

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Subtlety of thought and a grasp of punctuation is a big ask for some

[carboy2017]

as a Sri Lankan I'm moved by the amount of support in this thread ,thank you chaps!

We had just finished a brutal war 10 years ago and now this,the irony is that the Christian community in Sri Lanka had no issues with the Muslims

I call those who did it as the lowest of the low,however we will not bow down to terror!

[J4CKO]

philthy said:

Whoever did this, has just made themselves a very powerful enemy:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48011075

That is heartbreaking, losing a child is unthinkable but three out of four in one go is just mind-blowing tragedy.

Has all this killing ever achieved anything for the perpetrators ?

[carboy2017]

J4CKO said:

That is heartbreaking, losing a child is unthinkable but three out of four in one go is just mind-blowing tragedy.

Has all this killing ever achieved anything for the perpetrators ?

nothing achieved at all by those heinous scum

[Mothersruin]

carboy2017 said:

as a Sri Lankan I'm moved by the amount of support in this thread ,thank you chaps!

We had just finished a brutal war 10 years ago and now this,the irony is that the Christian community in Sri Lanka had no issues with the Muslims

I call those who did it as the lowest of the low,however we will not bow down to terror!

Most people have no issue with anyone until they create issues.

Some people seem to be more inclined to demand and create issues where there were none.

They seem to be inclined wherever they are all over the world.

I've Ceylonese blood with distant cousins still there. I hope none of them have been affected but the communities are small enough that it's more than likely they have to some to degree.

[durbster]

ISIS have claimed it now, and it looks like they were pulling the strings.

Their caliphate may be dead but they are not, sadly.

[Mothersruin]

durbster said:

ISIS have claimed it now, and it looks like they were pulling the strings.

Their caliphate may be dead but they are not, sadly.

They're a product of an ideology that isn't going anywhere in our current mindset.