Huawei row: UK to let Chinese firm help build 5G network
Discussion
Should we be worried or are the Americans, and others, overstating the risks?
Reported elsewhere:
Senior Tory MPs have expressed alarm about Theresa May’s readiness to give the Chinese telecoms firm Huawei a limited role in supplying the future 5G mobile phone network against the advice of some cabinet ministers, security chiefs and the US. Huawei will be banned from supplying core parts of the network but will get a role in non-core technology, after leaks from a meeting of the national security council (NSC).
US intelligence accuses Huawei of being funded by Chinese state security, newspaper reports. Tech firm receives money from National Security Commission, People’s Liberation Army and a third branch of the state intelligence network, The Times quotes a source as saying
beeb said:
The government has approved the supply of equipment by Chinese telecoms firm Huawei to the UK's new 5G data network despite warnings of a security risk.
There is no formal confirmation but the Daily Telegraph reports Huawei will build infrastructure such as antennas.
The US wants its allies in the "Five Eyes" intelligence grouping - the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - to exclude the company.
Huawei has denied that its work poses any risks of espionage or sabotage.
But Australia has already said it is siding with Washington - which has spoken of "serious concerns over Huawei's obligations to the Chinese government and the danger that poses to the integrity of telecommunications networks in the US and elsewhere".
LinkThere is no formal confirmation but the Daily Telegraph reports Huawei will build infrastructure such as antennas.
The US wants its allies in the "Five Eyes" intelligence grouping - the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - to exclude the company.
Huawei has denied that its work poses any risks of espionage or sabotage.
But Australia has already said it is siding with Washington - which has spoken of "serious concerns over Huawei's obligations to the Chinese government and the danger that poses to the integrity of telecommunications networks in the US and elsewhere".
Reported elsewhere:
Senior Tory MPs have expressed alarm about Theresa May’s readiness to give the Chinese telecoms firm Huawei a limited role in supplying the future 5G mobile phone network against the advice of some cabinet ministers, security chiefs and the US. Huawei will be banned from supplying core parts of the network but will get a role in non-core technology, after leaks from a meeting of the national security council (NSC).
US intelligence accuses Huawei of being funded by Chinese state security, newspaper reports. Tech firm receives money from National Security Commission, People’s Liberation Army and a third branch of the state intelligence network, The Times quotes a source as saying
I think the main point of this story should be to ask the question why have our politicians not been keeping Britain up with the Joneses in terms of technology so that we end up putting ourselves in these sorts of situations in the first place.
For the OP question, imagine we're at war with China but just don't know it yet. From a risk management point of view I'd prefer string and tin cans to having Huawei embedded within out technological backbone.
For the OP question, imagine we're at war with China but just don't know it yet. From a risk management point of view I'd prefer string and tin cans to having Huawei embedded within out technological backbone.
andy_s said:
I think the main point of this story should be to ask the question why have our politicians not been keeping Britain up with the Joneses in terms of technology so that we end up putting ourselves in these sorts of situations in the first place.
I look forward to paying more tax so that we pay BAe/whoever more money to build a competing technology which is s
tter and more expensive.Watched that bbc panorama program and it was like some hysterical scramble to get 5G everywhere so your fridge knows to order some groceries.Yawn.
They never mentioned the fact it would make surveillance of the population even easier and more oppressive like in that horrible china place.
We could afford to hang back and buy the next gen of kit from someone trustworthy.
But as usual the PM shows she is an idiot.
They never mentioned the fact it would make surveillance of the population even easier and more oppressive like in that horrible china place.
We could afford to hang back and buy the next gen of kit from someone trustworthy.
But as usual the PM shows she is an idiot.
Fundoreen said:
Watched that bbc panorama program and it was like some hysterical scramble to get 5G everywhere so your fridge knows to order some groceries.Yawn.
They never mentioned the fact it would make surveillance of the population even easier and more oppressive like in that horrible china place.
We could afford to hang back and buy the next gen of kit from someone trustworthy.
But as usual the PM shows she is an idiot.
That was probably the part which sealed the deal and sold it to May then. There’s nothing like a bit of extreme surveillance to get May wet down below.They never mentioned the fact it would make surveillance of the population even easier and more oppressive like in that horrible china place.
We could afford to hang back and buy the next gen of kit from someone trustworthy.
But as usual the PM shows she is an idiot.
A lot of this tech is made in China anyway - before the Huawei connection.
For example: Apple mobiles, that staple of American mobile tech, is made by Chinese company Foxconn, the largest such electronics Contractor in the World and maker of over 40% of the World's electronics alone - your Playstation's and XBox's included. Foxconn actively allow Apple design tech etc to 'leak' to the other mobile Brands it puts together; my wife was a senior Director with a rival Brand, she saw it. Doesn't trust them at all.
Apple, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Blackberry, Cisco, Huawei, Sony, Sharp, Dell, Google, Microsoft, Intel to name but some...all in bed with Chinese Foxconn.
So the current hoo haa over Huawei is kinda meaningless unless Europe and the USA stop getting their electronics supplied by Chinese companies generally.
For example: Apple mobiles, that staple of American mobile tech, is made by Chinese company Foxconn, the largest such electronics Contractor in the World and maker of over 40% of the World's electronics alone - your Playstation's and XBox's included. Foxconn actively allow Apple design tech etc to 'leak' to the other mobile Brands it puts together; my wife was a senior Director with a rival Brand, she saw it. Doesn't trust them at all.
Apple, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Blackberry, Cisco, Huawei, Sony, Sharp, Dell, Google, Microsoft, Intel to name but some...all in bed with Chinese Foxconn.
So the current hoo haa over Huawei is kinda meaningless unless Europe and the USA stop getting their electronics supplied by Chinese companies generally.
Coolbanana said:
A lot of this tech is made in China anyway - before the Huawei connection.
For example: Apple mobiles, that staple of American mobile tech, is made by Chinese company Foxconn, the largest such electronics Contractor in the World and maker of over 40% of the World's electronics alone - your Playstation's and XBox's included. Foxconn actively allow Apple design tech etc to 'leak' to the other mobile Brands it puts together; my wife was a senior Director with a rival Brand, she saw it. Doesn't trust them at all.
Apple, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Blackberry, Cisco, Huawei, Sony, Sharp, Dell, Google, Microsoft, Intel to name but some...all in bed with Chinese Foxconn.
So the current hoo haa over Huawei is kinda meaningless unless Europe and the USA stop getting their electronics supplied by Chinese companies generally.
This is a tad different to buying a phone made in China though?For example: Apple mobiles, that staple of American mobile tech, is made by Chinese company Foxconn, the largest such electronics Contractor in the World and maker of over 40% of the World's electronics alone - your Playstation's and XBox's included. Foxconn actively allow Apple design tech etc to 'leak' to the other mobile Brands it puts together; my wife was a senior Director with a rival Brand, she saw it. Doesn't trust them at all.
Apple, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Blackberry, Cisco, Huawei, Sony, Sharp, Dell, Google, Microsoft, Intel to name but some...all in bed with Chinese Foxconn.
So the current hoo haa over Huawei is kinda meaningless unless Europe and the USA stop getting their electronics supplied by Chinese companies generally.
TX.
Happy to be called a luddite in this matter.
What gains are there for 5G over 4G?
I generally try to avoid using data over the 4G mobile network already due to it being an unnecessary cost.
Let's all go to a festival to stare at 5G mobiles sums it up for me...
https://5g.co.uk/news/glastonburyfirst-5g-festival...
What gains are there for 5G over 4G?
I generally try to avoid using data over the 4G mobile network already due to it being an unnecessary cost.
Let's all go to a festival to stare at 5G mobiles sums it up for me...
https://5g.co.uk/news/glastonburyfirst-5g-festival...
Terminator X said:
This is a tad different to buying a phone made in China though?
TX.
They don't just make phones...if China used Foxconn to spy, they would already be deeply embedded given they make much of all electronic devices, regardless of 5G tech in the form of antennae's etc from Huawei. TX.
Now, if a Chinese company wanted to supply the core infrastructure for 5G, then that would be a whole new ball-game, obviously. However, while unconfirmed, the Report believes non-core components only, so no different to what we already have in most homes already.
Edited by Coolbanana on Wednesday 24th April 14:34
keirik said:
Don't buy huwawei buy Cisco or some other alternative.
Don't use those devices with chinese backdoors, use these devices with NSA backdoors
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos...
3.1416 said:
Happy to be called a luddite in this matter.
What gains are there for 5G over 4G?
I generally try to avoid using data over the 4G mobile network already due to it being an unnecessary cost.
Let's all go to a festival to stare at 5G mobiles sums it up for me...
https://5g.co.uk/news/glastonburyfirst-5g-festival...
I think it's just improved "everything" - so more devices per mast, lower latency (the overhead of getting the data from your phone onto the internet), quicker setup times (the speed of getting a signal and "online"), and of course higher speeds.What gains are there for 5G over 4G?
I generally try to avoid using data over the 4G mobile network already due to it being an unnecessary cost.
Let's all go to a festival to stare at 5G mobiles sums it up for me...
https://5g.co.uk/news/glastonburyfirst-5g-festival...
The emergency service network (currently Airwave) was planning to move to 5G tech, I think this has been put way back though (I can't remember if they were going to share the consumer networks or have their own hardware).
Isn't there a supposed health risk with 5G?
I think I read something somewhere about scientists and health specialist asking governments to review human health risks from radiation.
5G requires more towers and more towers could mean more radiation which could mean more health problems. Some countries can't install 5G as it would put RF radiation over limits they've set.
I think I read something somewhere about scientists and health specialist asking governments to review human health risks from radiation.
5G requires more towers and more towers could mean more radiation which could mean more health problems. Some countries can't install 5G as it would put RF radiation over limits they've set.
ashleyman said:
Isn't there a supposed health risk with 5G?
I think I read something somewhere about scientists and health specialist asking governments to review human health risks from radiation.
5G requires more towers and more towers could mean more radiation which could mean more health problems. Some countries can't install 5G as it would put RF radiation over limits they've set.
There is a nice theory that lamp posts have secret 5g hardware(mind control, natch) embedded in them. They spend their time examining lamp posts in minute detail.I think I read something somewhere about scientists and health specialist asking governments to review human health risks from radiation.
5G requires more towers and more towers could mean more radiation which could mean more health problems. Some countries can't install 5G as it would put RF radiation over limits they've set.
Particularly prevalent in the north east. Tinfoil sales have escalated.
eldar said:
ashleyman said:
Isn't there a supposed health risk with 5G?
I think I read something somewhere about scientists and health specialist asking governments to review human health risks from radiation.
5G requires more towers and more towers could mean more radiation which could mean more health problems. Some countries can't install 5G as it would put RF radiation over limits they've set.
There is a nice theory that lamp posts have secret 5g hardware(mind control, natch) embedded in them. They spend their time examining lamp posts in minute detail.I think I read something somewhere about scientists and health specialist asking governments to review human health risks from radiation.
5G requires more towers and more towers could mean more radiation which could mean more health problems. Some countries can't install 5G as it would put RF radiation over limits they've set.
Particularly prevalent in the north east. Tinfoil sales have escalated.
ashleyman said:
eldar said:
ashleyman said:
Isn't there a supposed health risk with 5G?
I think I read something somewhere about scientists and health specialist asking governments to review human health risks from radiation.
5G requires more towers and more towers could mean more radiation which could mean more health problems. Some countries can't install 5G as it would put RF radiation over limits they've set.
There is a nice theory that lamp posts have secret 5g hardware(mind control, natch) embedded in them. They spend their time examining lamp posts in minute detail.I think I read something somewhere about scientists and health specialist asking governments to review human health risks from radiation.
5G requires more towers and more towers could mean more radiation which could mean more health problems. Some countries can't install 5G as it would put RF radiation over limits they've set.
Particularly prevalent in the north east. Tinfoil sales have escalated.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.euronews.com/am...
tangerine_sedge said:
I look forward to paying more tax so that we pay BAe/whoever more money to build a competing technology which is stter and more expensive.
But when you tender to a British company you are reinvesting taxpayer money into the British economy, and creating jobs here. Allowing tender to overseas companies, whilst may well be cheaper, sends that economic boon with it. It's short term attitudes like this which are the reason pay (outside of the financial sector) is stagnating and British graduates with pertinent agrees move overseas in their droves. tter and more expensive.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff