Scrapping Age Related Benefits
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anonymous said:
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There are many that cannot make their own luck. There are a significant number of people who are barely able to manage their own lives. They are just about literate and only just numerate. They will never be able to make their own luck.
Those of us that have been reasonably successful have been incredibly lucky and definitely not all of our own making.
anonymous said:
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Not sure what the insulting poppet is all about.If you take two people, one born to a single mother in a sink estate in East London and one born to two investment bankers in Surrey. The latter needs to work considerably less hard and have considerably less intellect and drive to become comfortably well off than the former.
Too many people grow up in comfortable middle class environments then pat themselves on the back for what they achieve. Sure, hard work drive and good decisions play a part - i have taken risks, moved jobs for more money and better prospects, worked hard and done very well. Two people with identical backgrounds upbringing and intellect - the harder worker will generally be more successful. However it is only a small ingredient in the recipe of success.
Nickgnome said:
anonymous said:
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There are many that cannot make their own luck. There are a significant number of people who are barely able to manage their own lives. They are just about literate and only just numerate. They will never be able to make their own luck.
Those of us that have been reasonably successful have been incredibly lucky and definitely not all of our own making.
I heard of a guy (in Wales) who applied for pension Tax Credits as soon as he was State Pension age, got turned down because he had around £40k too much in savings, went straight out and bought himself and his son matching mercs for £20k each and hey presto, entitled to pension Tax Credits.
(He also has half a million in the Bank of Ireland from the sale of 2 properties that he's failed to declare)
(He also has half a million in the Bank of Ireland from the sale of 2 properties that he's failed to declare)
Derek Smith said:
I do not want to come over as patronising but I'd like to say well done for not reacting to the poppet dig. There's many on here, and I don't exclude myself, who might have felt IH had put himself in the frame.
I believe it was aimed at someone else but I did find it rather amusing.Some people feel the need to use such terms as an intended insult.
So she's a single parent earning presumably not much above minimum wage working in a nursing home and she ISN'T engaging the usual ploy of working optimum (minimal) hours in order to claim maximum Tax Credits (and other associated benefits)?
Fair play to her if that really is the case, but she must be in a tiny minority if so.
Fair play to her if that really is the case, but she must be in a tiny minority if so.
Integroo said:
Athlon said:
It really was not a possibility to some though was it? I know folk who subsidised their income by growing their own veg, never had central heating and barely had enough money to feed and clothe themselves despite working every spare hour. Not everyone got a break in life and have and never had a chance to better the position they found themselves in.
One worker in the family and the wife at home with the kid(s), no saving possible. Not everyone who has worked has had the chance to save.
Too many on PistonHeads think there is a direct correlation between hard work and wealth. The harder you work, the wealthier you are. If you are poor, it's because you are lazy and feckless.One worker in the family and the wife at home with the kid(s), no saving possible. Not everyone who has worked has had the chance to save.
It's nonsense, but a commonly held viewpoint. Mainly from people that have done well and refuse to accept that good fortune and/or good circumstance contributed to their success.
Some people can be fortunate enough to have significant wealth handed to them on a plate and glide through life without making much physical or mental effort at all whilst others can work and worry and sweat and graft for a entire lifetime but will never be anywhere near as well off.
That's just how it is.
Integroo said:
If you take two people, one born to a single mother in a sink estate in East London and one born to two investment bankers in Surrey. The latter needs to work considerably less hard and have considerably less intellect and drive to become comfortably well off than the former.
Too many people grow up in comfortable middle class environments then pat themselves on the back for what they achieve. Sure, hard work, drive, and good decisions play a part. I have taken risks, moved jobs for more money and better prospects, worked hard and done very well. Two people with identical backgrounds upbringing and intellect - the harder worker will generally be more successful. However it is only a small ingredient in the recipe of success.
When I read these kind of posts I'm always struck by how much individual perceptions vary as to how "hard work" and "doing very well" are defined. Too many people grow up in comfortable middle class environments then pat themselves on the back for what they achieve. Sure, hard work, drive, and good decisions play a part. I have taken risks, moved jobs for more money and better prospects, worked hard and done very well. Two people with identical backgrounds upbringing and intellect - the harder worker will generally be more successful. However it is only a small ingredient in the recipe of success.
Integroo said:
If you take two people, one born to a single mother in a sink estate in East London and one born to two investment bankers in Surrey. The latter needs to work considerably less hard and have considerably less intellect and drive to become comfortably well off than the former.
I remember reading (some time ago) that the differences in a child's development from such contrasting socio-economic backgrounds is measurable from @ 20 months. Can anyone name even a single premiership player whose parents are investment bankers from Surrey?
By some standards (eg salary) they can be said to have "done very well", and by some standards what they do can't really be defined as 'work' at all never mind "hard work".
And many of them are from lower economic status backgrounds.
By some standards (eg salary) they can be said to have "done very well", and by some standards what they do can't really be defined as 'work' at all never mind "hard work".
And many of them are from lower economic status backgrounds.
Edited by selmahoose on Saturday 27th April 16:52
selmahoose said:
Can anyone name even a single premiership player whose parents are investment bankers from Surrey?
By some standards (eg salary) they can be said to have "done very well", and by some standards what they do can't really be defined as 'work' at all never mind "hard work".
And many of them are from lower economic status backgrounds.
I am not sure what you are trying to argue, but I am certain it is nonsense.By some standards (eg salary) they can be said to have "done very well", and by some standards what they do can't really be defined as 'work' at all never mind "hard work".
And many of them are from lower economic status backgrounds.
Edited by selmahoose on Saturday 27th April 16:52
Integroo said:
selmahoose said:
Can anyone name even a single premiership player whose parents are investment bankers from Surrey?
By some standards (eg salary) they can be said to have "done very well", and by some standards what they do can't really be defined as 'work' at all never mind "hard work".
And many of them are from lower economic status backgrounds.
I am not sure what you are trying to argue, but I am certain it is nonsense.By some standards (eg salary) they can be said to have "done very well", and by some standards what they do can't really be defined as 'work' at all never mind "hard work".
And many of them are from lower economic status backgrounds.
Edited by selmahoose on Saturday 27th April 16:52
Integroo said:
selmahoose said:
Oh no argument just asking a question. But I think you do know what Im asking and I think you also know it isn't nonsense.
Nobody is saying you can't be born poor and become wealthy.The socio-economic advantages of being brought up in a middle class environment with middle class aspirations and funding are confined to advantages of the middle class sort. But it certainly can't produce 'top drawer', not least because it doesn't really know how to if indeed such a thing can be known at all.
Integroo said:
selmahoose said:
Oh no argument just asking a question. But I think you do know what Im asking and I think you also know it isn't nonsense.
Nobody is saying you can't be born poor and become wealthy.Randy Winkman said:
Integroo said:
selmahoose said:
Oh no argument just asking a question. But I think you do know what Im asking and I think you also know it isn't nonsense.
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