What is “Politics of envy”?

[Guybrush]

fouronthefloor said:

Guybrush said:

fouronthefloor said:

Dr Jekyll said:

fouronthefloor said:

Yes , but we all live on this earth and should be equally entitled within reason.

How is anyone but me 'entitled' to the money I've earned? The difference between choosing to give some of my money to someone else either now or as a bequest, and the HMRC demanding I give that person my money or get prosecuted is pretty clear.

Why should anyone be 'entitled' to anything?

People should be "entitled" to give their (taxed) money to whomever they please, usually their children. Their children should be "entitled" to receive it. That would appear moral and reasonable in a free society. Anything else is a far left dictatorship, with designs on keeping everyone down and on a treadmill in the false name of "fairness".

What I'm saying is 'Why should anyone be 'entitled' to amassed wealth and the power that goes with it, when we are all equal as human beings?'.

Who would be the "entitled" officer, who imposes this "fairness"? Some in the past have set themselves up as such, Mao, Stalin, Kim Jong Un for example. It doesn't make for a happy country.

[fouronthefloor]

The people would officiate by voting.

[Supercilious Sid]

Guybrush said:

Who would be the "entitled" officer, who imposes this "fairness"? Some in the past have set themselves up as such, Mao, Stalin, Kim Jong Un for example. It doesn't make for a happy country.

In the recent past people were risking their lives to escape capitalism and get to such fair countries.

[anonymous-user]

fouronthefloor said:

Guybrush said:

fouronthefloor said:

Dr Jekyll said:

fouronthefloor said:

Yes , but we all live on this earth and should be equally entitled within reason.

How is anyone but me 'entitled' to the money I've earned? The difference between choosing to give some of my money to someone else either now or as a bequest, and the HMRC demanding I give that person my money or get prosecuted is pretty clear.

Why should anyone be 'entitled' to anything?

People should be "entitled" to give their (taxed) money to whomever they please, usually their children. Their children should be "entitled" to receive it. That would appear moral and reasonable in a free society. Anything else is a far left dictatorship, with designs on keeping everyone down and on a treadmill in the false name of "fairness".

What I'm saying is 'Why should anyone be 'entitled' to amassed wealth and the power that goes with it, when we are all equal as human beings?'.

If someone has earned and amassed that wealth, surely it is their right to do as they please with it?

Also, from a business perspective what would you expect to happen, it all be returned to the government to be inefficiently distributed and subsequently end up back in the pockets of those "playing the game" and the wealth / jobs / economic boost that the original business generated would be lost as no one would have any interest in longevity & sustainability if they knew their efforts would only be redistributed at the end of their life.

[Johnnytheboy]

cherryowen said:

Integroo said:

Johnnytheboy said:

I guess it's encapsulated in that great bar chart (someone help me out please) that showed Labour voters wanted a 50p top rate of tax brought in, even if it didn't actually raise any extra revenue.

Except the evidence you are claiming exists doesn't actually exist.

May I assist?



ETA : Curiously, Google searches yielded nothing but the above image appeared on page 1 of a DuckDuckGo search. With the same series of search parameters.........

Make of that what you will, I suppose

Yes I failed to find it on Google.

I'm sure Integroo will pop up and admit his mistake shortly.

[fouronthefloor]

Lord.Vader said:

If someone has earned and amassed that wealth, surely it is their right to do as they please with it?

Within reason but without taxation the gap between rich and poor would only widen , create resentment and the inherent problems which arise from that. The politics of envy. There you have it.

Think Brexit

[Johnnytheboy]

Lord.Vader said:

If someone has earned and amassed that wealth, surely it is their right to do as they please with it?

Especially if they have already been taxed on earning it.

[Dr Jekyll]

fouronthefloor said:

What I'm saying is 'Why should anyone be 'entitled' to amassed wealth and the power that goes with it, when we are all equal as human beings?'.

So lets be clear about this.

There is an opportunity tow do some overtime at the weekend, my workmate Fred chooses to take it and earns £200, I decide I'd rather sit at home watching Netflix.


Because we are both equal as human beings I'm entitled to £100 of Fred's money? Or £200 of the employers money?


You don't get paid for being a human being, but for providing goods and services people want. If you tamper with that principle shortages and poverty follow.

[Guybrush]

fouronthefloor said:

Lord.Vader said:

If someone has earned and amassed that wealth, surely it is their right to do as they please with it?

Within reason but without taxation the gap between rich and poor would only widen , create resentment and the inherent problems which arise from that. The politics of envy. There you have it.

Think Brexit

What the hell has Brexit got to do with it? All Brexit is about is the desire for independence from an expanding socialist construct.

[amusingduck]

Integroo said:

Johnnytheboy said:

I guess it's encapsulated in that great bar chart (someone help me out please) that showed Labour voters wanted a 50p top rate of tax brought in, even if it didn't actually raise any extra revenue.

Except the evidence you are claiming exists doesn't actually exist.

Integroo said:

cymatty said:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-repo...

The evidence that a 50p tax rate wouldn't increase tax take.

"Imagine it was the case that a top tax rate of 50p did not bring in any extra money"


What are you struggling with here? Or is it just a poor attempt at deflection?

[fouronthefloor]

Guybrush said:

fouronthefloor said:

Lord.Vader said:

If someone has earned and amassed that wealth, surely it is their right to do as they please with it?

Within reason but without taxation the gap between rich and poor would only widen , create resentment and the inherent problems which arise from that. The politics of envy. There you have it.

Think Brexit

What the hell has Brexit got to do with it? All Brexit is about is the desire for independence from an expanding socialist construct.

Really?

[Guybrush]

Supercilious Sid said:

Guybrush said:

Who would be the "entitled" officer, who imposes this "fairness"? Some in the past have set themselves up as such, Mao, Stalin, Kim Jong Un for example. It doesn't make for a happy country.

In the recent past people were risking their lives to escape capitalism and get to such fair countries.

Yeeeesss....

[Integroo]

amusingduck said:

"Imagine it was the case that a top tax rate of 50p did not bring in any extra money"


What are you struggling with here? Or is it just a poor attempt at deflection?

The implication is clear, this is a common nonsense on here.

[Guybrush]

Dr Jekyll said:

fouronthefloor said:

What I'm saying is 'Why should anyone be 'entitled' to amassed wealth and the power that goes with it, when we are all equal as human beings?'.

So lets be clear about this.

There is an opportunity tow do some overtime at the weekend, my workmate Fred chooses to take it and earns £200, I decide I'd rather sit at home watching Netflix.


Because we are both equal as human beings I'm entitled to £100 of Fred's money? Or £200 of the employers money?


You don't get paid for being a human being, but for providing goods and services people want. If you tamper with that principle shortages and poverty follow.

It always does end like that, but the staggering this is, the left never appear to learn. Labour is promoting the same old failed ideas, but are merely preaching and trying to convince a new audience as if they are offering an alternative, a "new way" or some similar marketing BS.

[Crackie]

fouronthefloor said:

The people would officiate by voting.

Great idea...……….if the government were to subsequently respect the vote.

[Crackie]

fouronthefloor said:

Lord.Vader said:

If someone has earned and amassed that wealth, surely it is their right to do as they please with it?

Within reason but without taxation the gap between rich and poor would only widen , create resentment and the inherent problems which arise from that. The politics of envy. There you have it.

Think Brexit

???????????

You still don't understand Brexit do you...………… your post, and a similar one, from Nickgnome earlier in the thread, are interesting. Ironically, if anyone is sufficiently out of touch to still believe the 'politics of envy' is what drove Brexit, they will just be reinforcing leaver's reasons for leaving.

Well done.

Edited by Crackie on Friday 26th April 08:26

[StevieBee]

fouronthefloor said:

Lord.Vader said:

If someone has earned and amassed that wealth, surely it is their right to do as they please with it?

Within reason but without taxation the gap between rich and poor would only widen , create resentment and the inherent problems which arise from that. The politics of envy. There you have it.

Think Brexit

Really, Brexit is irrelevant in this respect. On both sides of that divide you have socialists and capitalists.

[popegregory]

Teddy Lop said:

OP look up "zero sum thinking", the idea that anothers loss is automatically your gain, it's a corrosive mindset the permeates deeper than economics.

Thanks, that’s one of those seemingly obvious things that’s interesting to read into a bit more

[anonymous-user]

fouronthefloor said:

Lord.Vader said:

If someone has earned and amassed that wealth, surely it is their right to do as they please with it?

Within reason but without taxation the gap between rich and poor would only widen , create resentment and the inherent problems which arise from that. The politics of envy. There you have it.

Think Brexit

Selective quoting and missing half of my original point, typical of someone with your train of thought, only hear what you want to hear and those who support your daft ideas.

So are you suggesting that they have amassed their wealth without paying any tax? Someone like the DoG will have paid more tax through the jobs created by their estate than you will in your lifetime, never mind their own personal taxes, as i said before if you try and target all inheritance and strive for wealth distribution you remove the longevity and sustainability of business, it becomes a boom economy which is bad for everyone.

No idea why you are mentioning Brexit, are you confused?

[loafer123]

fouronthefloor said:

What I'm saying is 'Why should anyone be 'entitled' to amassed wealth and the power that goes with it, when we are all equal as human beings?'.

Where did you get the strange notion that we are all equal?

Humans are animals...is every lion in a pride equal? No.

Survival of the fittest means people strive to make their lot better and that leads to people having different wealth.

If it reassures you, I know a few very wealthy people and they are no happier than you and I, and often alot less so.