UK Schools: Religious Freedom vs Secular Values Issue

[Labradorofperception]

Countdown said:

https://news.sky.com/story/esther-mcvey-under-fire...

Don't get started on that piece of st.

With the exception of Norman Tebbit, who's soul has cancer, she is the most loathsome mainstream politician UK I can think of.

I'm a lefty, but i always rather admired and respected Thatcher, Keith Joseph et al. Johnson is like Zellig - he just seems to be there, and a total chancer and Mogg is what he is - patrician zealot who seems to think he is fulfilling his destiny in some 18th century way.

....but McVey just makes my piss boil. She can play all the working class lass st she likes, but she's a fking traitor who would pull the ladder up and fk anyone over. .....and don't start the "parents know better" st - that's up there with the Harriet Harmon "tried in the court of public opinion" - when her party's little trip to Iraq was clearly judged by the public as guilty.

Parents don't always know better. firing out your little bundle of joy does not make one a Nobel laureate overnight. If you're a dhead before your ovaries started vibrating, then you're probably a dhead after they've seen service.


I feel better now.

Can I have a biscuit?

Edited by Labradorofperception on Friday 31st May 13:08

[Carl_Manchester]

as Don Rickles said in Kelly’s Heroes : ‘very good....you win a cookie’.

Re: McVey she just threw herself under the contest bus.

[JagLover]

Can't say I had any sex education whatsoever at primary school from what I remember and I have every sympathy for parents who don't want their children exposed to it until the children are ready to understand what it means.

[romeogolf]

JagLover said:

Can't say I had any sex education whatsoever at primary school from what I remember and I have every sympathy for parents who don't want their children exposed to it until the children are ready to understand what it means.

It's not sex education. It's relationship education. It doesn't involve sex.

[Halb]

Countdown said:

Given that, in the bad/good old days most of us PHers had lots of helpings of religion spoon-fed to us (Morning assembly/hymn/prayers, RE lessons, Sunday School, Boys Brigade), how did we all manage to survive the brainwashing?

I have a feeling that the kids currently being brainwashed will be equally adept at "surviving". in relation to parents not being happy about their kids being taught sexy stuff.......

The Whitest Kids U'Know Published on 25 Aug 2013
WKUK Pledge of Allegiance
https://youtu.be/GiCaqA0ngRc

[BuzzBravado]

JagLover said:

Can't say I had any sex education whatsoever at primary school

and yet the playground had your head filled with what kids thought sex was, and you were well aware that homosexuality was a thing. This is just an opportunity to lay out some facts instead of letting the playground paint the picture for the kids.

[JagLover]

BuzzBravado said:

JagLover said:

Can't say I had any sex education whatsoever at primary school

and yet the playground had your head filled with what kids thought sex was, and you were well aware that homosexuality was a thing. This is just an opportunity to lay out some facts instead of letting the playground paint the picture for the kids.

Depends on what age we are talking about, which is rather relevant since primary school covers ages five to eleven.

When we were ten yes we were probably aware somewhat of issues like that, when we seven or eight probably not from what I remember.

[Randy Winkman]

Halb said:

Countdown said:

Given that, in the bad/good old days most of us PHers had lots of helpings of religion spoon-fed to us (Morning assembly/hymn/prayers, RE lessons, Sunday School, Boys Brigade), how did we all manage to survive the brainwashing?

I have a feeling that the kids currently being brainwashed will be equally adept at "surviving". in relation to parents not being happy about their kids being taught sexy stuff.......

The Whitest Kids U'Know Published on 25 Aug 2013
WKUK Pledge of Allegiance
https://youtu.be/GiCaqA0ngRc

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Labradorofperception said:

Parents don't always know better. firing out your little bundle of joy does not make one a Nobel laureate overnight. If you're a dhead before your ovaries started vibrating, then you're probably a dhead after they've seen service.

So true. Some parents believe the world is 6000 years old. Should schools stop teaching about dinosaurs because parents know best.

I do however believe that primary school kids are far to young to be exposed to Esther fking McVey.

[Otis Criblecoblis]

Labradorofperception said:

Don't get started on that piece of st.

With the exception of Norman Tebbit, who's soul has cancer, she is the most loathsome mainstream politician UK I can think of.

I'm a lefty, but i always rather admired and respected Thatcher, Keith Joseph et al. Johnson is like Zellig - he just seems to be there, and a total chancer and Mogg is what he is - patrician zealot who seems to think he is fulfilling his destiny in some 18th century way.

....but McVey just makes my piss boil. She can play all the working class lass st she likes, but she's a fking traitor who would pull the ladder up and fk anyone over. .....and don't start the "parents know better" st - that's up there with the Harriet Harmon "tried in the court of public opinion" - when her party's little trip to Iraq was clearly judged by the public as guilty.

Parents don't always know better. firing out your little bundle of joy does not make one a Nobel laureate overnight. If you're a dhead before your ovaries started vibrating, then you're probably a dhead after they've seen service.


I feel better now.

Can I have a biscuit?

Edited by Labradorofperception on Friday 31st May 13:08

Welcome John McDonnell to the forum everyone

[TwigtheWonderkid]

JagLover said:

Can't say I had any sex education whatsoever at primary school from what I remember and I have every sympathy for parents who don't want their children exposed to it until the children are ready to understand what it means.

Oh ffs, all they are doing is, in things like general assembly and class discussion, reinforcing the 2010 equality act, which is a piece of legislation surely we can all get behind. That boys and girls are equal, black and white people are equal, people of all religions and no religion are equal, that a man woman relationship is equal to a same sex relationship.

That's it. If your primary school son comes home and says "I said I wanted to be a doctor and that my friend Alice could be a nurse and the teacher told me that Alice could be a doctor too " are you going to rush down the school and tell them he's too young for all this equality nonsense.

[gooner1]

JagLover said:

Can't say I had any sex education whatsoever at primary school from what I remember and I have every sympathy for parents who don't want their children exposed to it until the children are ready to understand what it means.

I in turn have every sympathy for the children who are exposed to the fact that
their parents are either unwilling or incapeable of understanding what it means.

[Alpinestars]

Countdown said:

They're not going to explode in a ball of fire if they DO learn about LGBT issues. I'm not sure what the problem is.

It’s going to turn them all into raging homos apparently.

[Alpinestars]

romeogolf said:

JagLover said:

Can't say I had any sex education whatsoever at primary school from what I remember and I have every sympathy for parents who don't want their children exposed to it until the children are ready to understand what it means.

It's not sex education. It's relationship education. It doesn't involve sex.

In which case, I’m out.

[Countdown]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-4...

[Countdown]

Alpinestars said:

In which case, I’m out.

If you don’t mind me asking, how did your family react when you told them?

[Halb]

[Alpinestars]

Countdown said:

Alpinestars said:

In which case, I’m out.

If you don’t mind me asking, how did your family react when you told them?

My wife was overjoyed. My boyfriend was pissed off.

[amusingduck]

When the unstoppable force of LGBT meets the immovable object of Islam, there's only one thing you can do

[IanH755]

amusingduck said:

When the unstoppable force of LGBT meets the immovable object of Islam, there's only one thing you can do

Yeap, if you decide to choose a side in this situation then do you want to be known as an Islamaphobe or a Homophobe?

I'd imagine that choice would be a hell of a lot harder for those on the far left/progressive side which is possibly why they are extremely quiet on this subject at the moment