Vandals - what a bunch of *****
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voyds9 said:
Eric Mc said:
I build models so know and understand that, in the media, for many years people like us have been laughed at and ridiculed. This is what happens when you engender such attitudes.
Despite that, I would rather talk to these lads (assuming it was lads) and try to get to know what was going through their minds to decide this would be a fun thing to do. I certainly wouldn't advocate killing them, as one poster seems to be suggesting.
And I, sir, would suggest that was where the rot set in.Despite that, I would rather talk to these lads (assuming it was lads) and try to get to know what was going through their minds to decide this would be a fun thing to do. I certainly wouldn't advocate killing them, as one poster seems to be suggesting.
As a child I used to fear and respect the police and justice system.
Now (as still a law abiding person) I see it as a joke.
Take away their sky/phone/Xbox etc hit them where it hurts. Don't allow social interactions (that seems to be what they care about now)
The first group will largely remain the same no matter how the law or society is organised - as will the second group. The third group will be more influenced by fear or by persuasion. There is no real evidence that out and out fear works any better than education and persuasion.
We really could do with a good cull. We pay to keep this scum alive then pay them to breed. Make the parents pay for every single penny of damage (most likely take it out of their benefits). At a minimum they should be injected with an RFID type dye into the bloodstream which tracks their every move for the rest of their lives (and sent the bill for it).
These 
s won't get punished and they know it.
The guy that nicked my motorbike and was riding it around for a YEAR!! robbing other people, was finally caught and I got my pretty much destroyed machine back.
Cost me a lot of money, yet even though he had been inside for armed robbery previously, he got a community order and told to pay me £15.
I'm still waiting for the money.
Then people wonder why the current generation of poor little misunderstood b'stards can do whatever they like.
s won't get punished and they know it.The guy that nicked my motorbike and was riding it around for a YEAR!! robbing other people, was finally caught and I got my pretty much destroyed machine back.
Cost me a lot of money, yet even though he had been inside for armed robbery previously, he got a community order and told to pay me £15.
I'm still waiting for the money.
Then people wonder why the current generation of poor little misunderstood b'stards can do whatever they like.
poo at Paul's said:
Option 2 seems favourite. Dump HS fking 2 waste of time and use the money to build some big fk off prisons, hire st loads of prison service staff, and lock a few more fkers up.
Prison is like university for criminals. You send in a petty vandal and get a fully trained burglar back. That’s not to say prison shouldn’t be used for some people but for vandalism it seems self defeating.king 2 waste of time and use the money to build some big fk off prisons, hire st loads of prison service staff, and lock a few more fkers up. The logical solution is for them to be made to make right what they’ve done, however long it takes and however much it costs. Under 16? Then your parents foot the bill from benefits if required and you can resume your education once you’re done fixing the damage you caused.
What will happen is nothing, the law will not change, scrotes will be scrotes and millions of parents will continue to do a s
t job of raising their kids at the expense of the rest of us.djc206 said:
What will happen is nothing, the law will not change, scrotes will be scrotes and millions of parents will continue to do a st job of raising their kids at the expense of the rest of us.
Sadly I fear this is what will actually happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the scrote birthrate is substantially higher than the norm, meaning we are in for proliferation of the problem.t job of raising their kids at the expense of the rest of us.It grates when there's f
k all 'we' can really do about it.Edit: I found this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB_p6ueXtiw
Edited by Biker 1 on Monday 20th May 09:09
troika said:
We really could do with a good cull. We pay to keep this scum alive then pay them to breed. Make the parents pay for every single penny of damage (most likely take it out of their benefits). At a minimum they should be injected with an RFID type dye into the bloodstream which tracks their every move for the rest of their lives (and sent the bill for it).
Mass extermination is always a "good" solution. It's been tried many times. Does it make the world a better place?Come on guys - this was a bunch of models. It's a very sad event but jumping from the nature of the real event to extolling the virtues of wiping out a whole sector of the population is a bit of a jump.
It just goes to show that those who advocate elimination of certain types of people lurks in every society - and is extremely worrying.
Eric Mc said:
Pesty said:
And that is exactly why these things happen.
Talking to them, will achieve nothing. Yeah they may grow out of it but why take the chance.
They laugh at weakness.
Some may. Others may not. There are often ringleaders who are indeed evil little scrotes - possibly with psychotic tendencies. But often the rest are "followers" who can be worked on.Talking to them, will achieve nothing. Yeah they may grow out of it but why take the chance.
They laugh at weakness.
If they are kids then they think differently to adults, or at least how adults profess to think. They don't have 'reasons' for acting in particular ways. I can't be the only person who looks back on his behaviour as a kid and wonder why I did certain things.
My unproven understanding is that if there's a small group, say three or four, then there will be a leader. The others will just follow his lead. The person with the excuses is normally the leader. He, or she occasionally, with have a reason for being destructive, often, but by no means always, having something to do with parents or relatives. The others who joined in were following an example.
There will be no 'reason' for them behaving that way, not one that adults will think of as valid.
For many, many people, including children, violence is the quick answer to all problems. These kids, or at least the ring leader, will find some kind of release in what he did. Those that follow would probably have enjoyed the destruction while they were doing it. Who didn't, as a kid, smash cars together, have a model Spitfire shoot up a German plane? Everyone did it in my day.
We can blame these kids for thinking that violence is the answer to everything. They'll grow out of it to an extent and in later life they'll be able to suggest, with support, that the answer to problems with youths is to kill them.
Eric Mc said:
It just goes to show that those who advocate elimination of certain types of people lurks in every society - and is extremely worrying.
Joe Public has just about had enough of the scrote behaviour, myself included. So what do you suggest? Carry on with the useless wrist-slapping?Biker 1 said:
Eric Mc said:
It just goes to show that those who advocate elimination of certain types of people lurks in every society - and is extremely worrying.
Joe Public has just about had enough of the scrote behaviour, myself included. So what do you suggest? Carry on with the useless wrist-slapping?
So no other solution?Eric Mc said:
troika said:
We really could do with a good cull. We pay to keep this scum alive then pay them to breed. Make the parents pay for every single penny of damage (most likely take it out of their benefits). At a minimum they should be injected with an RFID type dye into the bloodstream which tracks their every move for the rest of their lives (and sent the bill for it).
Mass extermination is always a "good" solution. It's been tried many times. Does it make the world a better place?Come on guys - this was a bunch of models. It's a very sad event but jumping from the nature of the real event to extolling the virtues of wiping out a whole sector of the population is a bit of a jump.
It just goes to show that those who advocate elimination of certain types of people lurks in every society - and is extremely worrying.
troika said:
I hear you, however, normal decent people have had enough. It seems to me that in order to breed in any numbers you have to be either very rich or very poor. Normal people in the middle can’t afford it and have to make real choices and sacrifices. Meanwhile, the problem families pop out sprogs left right and centre and expect us to pick up the tab. It simply can’t be allowed to continue.
Your tone smacks of extermination on the basis of genetic determinism (determined by you, naturally) - a dangerously lunatic solution - and a bit much considering we are talking about broken model railway layouts.Eric Mc said:
Your tone smacks of extermination on the basis of genetic determinism (determined by you, naturally) - a dangerously lunatic solution - and a bit much considering we are talking about broken model railway layouts.
It’s frustration at the sense of entitlement culture and lack of responsibility, accountability or consequence of ones actions. dundarach said:
We've not created anything new.
Society has been in decline for quite some time.
Respect and responsibility are simply none existent in the whole.
It'll get considerably worse!
And on that cheery note...
With respect, you're totally wrong.Society has been in decline for quite some time.
Respect and responsibility are simply none existent in the whole.
It'll get considerably worse!
And on that cheery note...
By all measures society is better off then it was 20,30,40,50 years ago. With 24 hour news, facebook, pistonheads etc - these nasty little topics get much more limelight then they once would - thereby people see them more often & treat it as the 'common times we live in', when he reality is - this sort of incident is popular for the media to latch onto & spread far and wide. Gone are the times when this sort of thing still happened, but news of it wouldn't go further then the immediate community.
There is a reasoning & a defense to what they did & it will be the equivalent to what has been used for the last XY decades & beyond - kids, with a bad upbringing, within the wrong friendship group were bored & took a mindlessly stupid route. This is not a new thing, nor is it 'becoming more common' - but the reporting of it & broadcasting of it to the entire country has never been so influential on the population & thus skewing of peoples outlook as a result.
We as a society have never had it as good as we do now, including with such occasions like this.
troika said:
It’s frustration at the sense of entitlement culture and lack of responsibility, accountability or consequence of ones actions.
Yep. People are pissed off with this kind of crap going on everywhere. It's not about model trains.Pick any FB community group and you will find posts about scrotes acting like scrotes and getting away with it.
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