Vandals - what a bunch of *****
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If the culprits are your common or garden a scrotes then I doubt that there will be anything constructive come from this. Financial restitution will not be realistic and will never cover the lost time etc.
If the culprits are more middle class then it may be possible to get some form of civil claim on the back of a criminal case. Putting a charge on the parent home my be possible depending on the age of the kids involved.
Either way I cannot see there being much beyond some for of referral order issued by the courts.
If the culprits are more middle class then it may be possible to get some form of civil claim on the back of a criminal case. Putting a charge on the parent home my be possible depending on the age of the kids involved.
Either way I cannot see there being much beyond some for of referral order issued by the courts.
croyde said:
In the Scale Model thread there is mention that the Just Giving Fund has hit over £45k so far.
Shows that a lot of people care, but money won't bring back hours, days, years of work.
Maybe better to donate money to a health cause in the name of the wrecked train club.
I am sure they could get a few trips away for them to railway museums and replace all their damaged models etc.Shows that a lot of people care, but money won't bring back hours, days, years of work.
Maybe better to donate money to a health cause in the name of the wrecked train club.
Up to £50k now. Very pleased (if thats possible) for them and I hope they spend all that on their members. Shows the public are actually quite decent people on the whole.
m_cozzy said:
Standard young people behaviour. Look after yourself, f
k everyone else is my view on life these days.
Is it bk everyone else is my view on life these days.ks. 
I look at my kids, their friends, other kids I know through coaching rugby, Scouts, etc, who are pretty much all excellent kids, and get really hacked off with people spouting this sort of dismissive rubbish.
Every generation has had it's reprehensible scum, just as every generation has had its ignorant fools willing to condemn the entire generation of youth.
This sort of vandalism has been going on for years so I cant see how they left the exhibit with no security whatsoever.
Seems to have awaken a sleeping beast with terrible thoughts of retribution.
I guess that's the model enthusiast then.
Maybe liam neeson has another hollywood franchise to milk.
Seems to have awaken a sleeping beast with terrible thoughts of retribution.
I guess that's the model enthusiast then.
Maybe liam neeson has another hollywood franchise to milk.
troika said:
Eric Mc said:
Your tone smacks of extermination on the basis of genetic determinism (determined by you, naturally) - a dangerously lunatic solution - and a bit much considering we are talking about broken model railway layouts.
It’s frustration at the sense of entitlement culture and lack of responsibility, accountability or consequence of ones actions. Andeh1 said:
With respect, you're totally wrong.
By all measures society is better off then it was 20,30,40,50 years ago. With 24 hour news, facebook, pistonheads etc - these nasty little topics get much more limelight then they once would - thereby people see them more often & treat it as the 'common times we live in', when he reality is - this sort of incident is popular for the media to latch onto & spread far and wide. Gone are the times when this sort of thing still happened, but news of it wouldn't go further then the immediate community.
There is a reasoning & a defense to what they did & it will be the equivalent to what has been used for the last XY decades & beyond - kids, with a bad upbringing, within the wrong friendship group were bored & took a mindlessly stupid route. This is not a new thing, nor is it 'becoming more common' - but the reporting of it & broadcasting of it to the entire country has never been so influential on the population & thus skewing of peoples outlook as a result.
We as a society have never had it as good as we do now, including with such occasions like this.
100% correct. In 1986 the Farnborough Railway Enthuiasts Club premises was broken into and vandalised with thousands of £s worth of damage done. It hardly made the local papers - and the club recovered and still exists. By all measures society is better off then it was 20,30,40,50 years ago. With 24 hour news, facebook, pistonheads etc - these nasty little topics get much more limelight then they once would - thereby people see them more often & treat it as the 'common times we live in', when he reality is - this sort of incident is popular for the media to latch onto & spread far and wide. Gone are the times when this sort of thing still happened, but news of it wouldn't go further then the immediate community.
There is a reasoning & a defense to what they did & it will be the equivalent to what has been used for the last XY decades & beyond - kids, with a bad upbringing, within the wrong friendship group were bored & took a mindlessly stupid route. This is not a new thing, nor is it 'becoming more common' - but the reporting of it & broadcasting of it to the entire country has never been so influential on the population & thus skewing of peoples outlook as a result.
We as a society have never had it as good as we do now, including with such occasions like this.
Fundoreen said:
This sort of vandalism has been going on for years so I cant see how they left the exhibit with no security whatsoever.
Seems to have awaken a sleeping beast with terrible thoughts of retribution.
I guess that's the model enthusiast then.
Maybe liam neeson has another hollywood franchise to milk.
This is the script for Taken 4Seems to have awaken a sleeping beast with terrible thoughts of retribution.
I guess that's the model enthusiast then.
Maybe liam neeson has another hollywood franchise to milk.
skyrover said:
La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
e've never done the 'soft stuff' properly. We send more people to prison for longer than ever before.
Sweden has, it doesn't work.they do some things well, but that's for another thread.
Regardless of specific countries, the evidence within criminology is pretty clear what the most effective ways to prevent and help reduce re-offending. The vote-winning strategies people are programmed to be attracted to aren't very effective.
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
We've never done the 'soft stuff' properly. We send more people to prison for longer than ever before.
Sweden has, it doesn't work.As I say above, it's about the evidence and data of what works and what doesn't. That, like a lot of public policy, isn't what wins votes, though.
We imprison more people than we ever have for longer, yet we have a tread complaining how we need to be harder.
That along with the rose-tinting of the past as some perfect time, where youths had respect and never carried out these sorts of things. Forgetting the large drops in crime across the western world from the highs of the mid-1990s, of course.
La Liga said:
weden has a rather better re-offending rate than us.
As I say above, it's about the evidence and data of what works and what doesn't. That, like a lot of public policy, isn't what wins votes, though.
We imprison more people than we ever have for longer, yet we have a tread complaining how we need to be harder.
That along with the rose-tinting of the past as some perfect time, where youths had respect and never carried out these sorts of things. Forgetting the large drops in crime across the western world from the highs of the mid-1990s, of course.
All well & good, but I dare say this sort of thing would never happen in Japan - what are they doing right that we're not?As I say above, it's about the evidence and data of what works and what doesn't. That, like a lot of public policy, isn't what wins votes, though.
We imprison more people than we ever have for longer, yet we have a tread complaining how we need to be harder.
That along with the rose-tinting of the past as some perfect time, where youths had respect and never carried out these sorts of things. Forgetting the large drops in crime across the western world from the highs of the mid-1990s, of course.
Biker 1 said:
La Liga said:
weden has a rather better re-offending rate than us.
As I say above, it's about the evidence and data of what works and what doesn't. That, like a lot of public policy, isn't what wins votes, though.
We imprison more people than we ever have for longer, yet we have a tread complaining how we need to be harder.
That along with the rose-tinting of the past as some perfect time, where youths had respect and never carried out these sorts of things. Forgetting the large drops in crime across the western world from the highs of the mid-1990s, of course.
All well & good, but I dare say this sort of thing would never happen in Japan - what are they doing right that we're not?As I say above, it's about the evidence and data of what works and what doesn't. That, like a lot of public policy, isn't what wins votes, though.
We imprison more people than we ever have for longer, yet we have a tread complaining how we need to be harder.
That along with the rose-tinting of the past as some perfect time, where youths had respect and never carried out these sorts of things. Forgetting the large drops in crime across the western world from the highs of the mid-1990s, of course.
La Liga said:
Sweden has a rather better re-offending rate than us.
You have to get caught to become a re-offender, and only 1 in 7 crimes are solved. That means that someone can be tied to the crime but not necessarily convicted for it. To be a re-offender in Sweden you have to be monumentally stupid or really unlucky.Biker 1 said:
All well & good, but I dare say this sort of thing would never happen in Japan - what are they doing right that we're not?
The parents would beat the living st out their kids.Rod Stewart just donated £10k https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-lincolns...
W124Bob said:
Rod Stewart just donated £10k https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-lincolns...
Good show! I hope he persuades Jules Holland etc to donate & they can build a proper club house with security.Is there the slightest chance that the filthy scrotes will feel ANY remorse over this, given the outpouring of empathy for the victims??????
Biker 1 said:
All well & good, but I dare say this sort of thing would never happen in Japan - what are they doing right that we're not?
Their culture is one of obedience, it’s why so many young people kill themselves. It’s not a system to aspire to.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-33362387
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
Sweden has a rather better re-offending rate than us.
You have to get caught to become a re-offender, and only 1 in 7 crimes are solved. That means that someone can be tied to the crime but not necessarily convicted for it. To be a re-offender in Sweden you have to be monumentally stupid or really unlucky.La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
Sweden has a rather better re-offending rate than us.
You have to get caught to become a re-offender, and only 1 in 7 crimes are solved. That means that someone can be tied to the crime but not necessarily convicted for it. To be a re-offender in Sweden you have to be monumentally stupid or really unlucky.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff