School protests - sex education
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TM mentioned this in a statement - I remain cautiously hopeful the Govt won’t back down on it - https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/07/02/theresa-may-...
gregs656 said:
TM mentioned this in a statement - I remain cautiously hopeful the Govt won’t back down on it - https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/07/02/theresa-may-...
It's TM though 
I'd want her as far away as possible from anything near and dear to my heart
gregs656 said:
Tolerance and respect for others, regardless of religious belief, race, sexuality, gender etc? I would say very much in line with British Values.
As far as I am aware primary school children are ‘pre teen’. The teens should probably be reminded too (as they are now), though with a more in-depth and explicit discussion.
What is the problem you have with teaching children that there will be children who are different to them, or maybe children who have 2 dads or 2 mums or perhaps a single parent and so on and those are just differences.
Or that maybe some children will pray and some don’t?
What is your concern?
Completely agree, except for the bit about being tolerant of religious beliefs. We shouldn't be tolerant of beliefs that add to the sum total of human misery. Being tolerant of beliefs that cause harm is hopefully not a British value. As far as I am aware primary school children are ‘pre teen’. The teens should probably be reminded too (as they are now), though with a more in-depth and explicit discussion.
What is the problem you have with teaching children that there will be children who are different to them, or maybe children who have 2 dads or 2 mums or perhaps a single parent and so on and those are just differences.
Or that maybe some children will pray and some don’t?
What is your concern?
We live in a society where telling children that people are different and it's ok to be different is seen as a bit controversial, especially by religious conservatives, but it's seen as perfectly acceptable (indeed protected on pain of legal action) to tell children that there's a omnipotent being that can read their thoughts and send them (and their loved ones) to an eternity of torture if they fail to uphold the questionable moral values dreamt up by illiterate iron age goat herders....... it's a funny old world isn't it?
dudleybloke said:
Jay seems like a lovely bloke. https://mobile.twitter.com/BeckyJohnsonSky/status/...
BlackLabel said:
I'm concerned if he gets angrier, next he'll be strapping on a suicide vest and charging into an assemblyDromedary66 said:
BlackLabel said:
I'm concerned if he gets angrier, next he'll be strapping on a suicide vest and charging into an assemblyMuslims vs Liberals advocating inclusion of LRBTQ issues
I suspect the only person going to explode in trying to reconcile that scenario is you.
Brooking10 said:
Must be hard for your tiny but deeply poisoned mind to take this one Dromedary.
Muslims vs Liberals advocating inclusion of LRBTQ issues
I suspect the only person going to explode in trying to reconcile that scenario is you.
I’d say “Conservatives vs. Liberals” rather than just “muslims” to be honest. This issue has had support from quite a few non-muslims as well AIUI.Muslims vs Liberals advocating inclusion of LRBTQ issues
I suspect the only person going to explode in trying to reconcile that scenario is you.
There was another article in my local paper about a homosexual teenager being beaten up for being gay. Despite all the progress we’ve made during my lifetime this crap still happens and yet so many people still want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn’t.
Countdown said:
Brooking10 said:
Must be hard for your tiny but deeply poisoned mind to take this one Dromedary.
Muslims vs Liberals advocating inclusion of LRBTQ issues
I suspect the only person going to explode in trying to reconcile that scenario is you.
I’d say “Conservatives vs. Liberals” rather than just “muslims” to be honest. This issue has had support from quite a few non-muslims as well AIUI.Muslims vs Liberals advocating inclusion of LRBTQ issues
I suspect the only person going to explode in trying to reconcile that scenario is you.
There was another article in my local paper about a homosexual teenager being beaten up for being gay. Despite all the progress we’ve made during my lifetime this crap still happens and yet so many people still want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn’t.
It must be tortuous for such a thinker finding himself agreeing with the prejudices of what he describes as a collective of would be suicide bombers
Brooking10 said:
Indeed but the underlying point for our more hard wired “Right thinking” bretheren is that those conservatives are being most obviously typified by the Muslim community.
It must be tortuous for such a thinker finding himself agreeing with the prejudices of what he describes as a collective of would be suicide bombers
Fairy nuff It must be tortuous for such a thinker finding himself agreeing with the prejudices of what he describes as a collective of would be suicide bombers
Davos123 said:
I don't buy the thin end of the wedge argument. The law hasn't changed significantly, it's a minor amendment to include transgender in the already existing laws which already included sex. It's a nothing change for anyone except transgender people.
Peterson has lived with this law almost his entire life. He has never (to my knowledge) kicked up a huge fuss about it before. To not only complain about it publicly but state that you would refuse to use someone's preferred pronouns as a result of it is transphobic for me. Why isn't he saying he'll refuse to acknowledge people's race, sex or religion? Surely if he objects to this law on the basis of it dictating what he can and can't say to others, he's going to be as outraged at all the other classes as well? But no, Peterson is saying that he's going to deliberately single someone out in his classes and refuse to treat them with dignity and respect because he doesn't like this law. That he has said he'd have otherwise used correct pronouns is ridiculous because for years he's been teaching religious people, gay people and minorities without feeling the need to single them out because of a law which protects them in exactly the same way.
They included transgender and he kicked off because he doesn't like transgenderism. It's that simple.
I`m interested why people like you go to great lengths to misrepresent the truth, Peterson pointed out that for the first time ever a government was compelling speech under penalty of law so, you stating " The law hasn't changed significantly" is a nonsense.Peterson has lived with this law almost his entire life. He has never (to my knowledge) kicked up a huge fuss about it before. To not only complain about it publicly but state that you would refuse to use someone's preferred pronouns as a result of it is transphobic for me. Why isn't he saying he'll refuse to acknowledge people's race, sex or religion? Surely if he objects to this law on the basis of it dictating what he can and can't say to others, he's going to be as outraged at all the other classes as well? But no, Peterson is saying that he's going to deliberately single someone out in his classes and refuse to treat them with dignity and respect because he doesn't like this law. That he has said he'd have otherwise used correct pronouns is ridiculous because for years he's been teaching religious people, gay people and minorities without feeling the need to single them out because of a law which protects them in exactly the same way.
They included transgender and he kicked off because he doesn't like transgenderism. It's that simple.
Nor does his refusal to follow a government dictate they have no right to make mean anything other than he objects to that governments high handed attitude and will not comply, instead you assign a host of motives with no evidence and little understanding of the root problem in order to create a victim class you can virtue signal about.
dasigty said:
I`m interested why people like you go to great lengths to misrepresent the truth, Peterson pointed out that for the first time ever a government was compelling speech under penalty of law so, you stating " The law hasn't changed significantly" is a nonsense.
Ironic that you are accusing me of misrepresenting the truth then giving an example of Peterson doing so immediately.Please quote the part of the law which compels speech. Please explain how an amendment to the law, to make gender a protected class, whilst making no other changes to the protections those classes have, means that transgender people have special protections none of the other classes have had for the 50 odd years the law has existed. Please provide a case that shows precidence for compelled speech since the law has come in.
dasigty said:
I`m interested why people like you go to great lengths to misrepresent the truth, Peterson pointed out that for the first time ever a government was compelling speech under penalty of law so, you stating " The law hasn't changed significantly" is a nonsense.
That is hilarious.It included one extra category into a law Peterson has lived with his entire adult life.
Won’t be long until the school backs down - the parents certainly won’t.
“Parents in dispute over equality teaching at Parkfield Primary School in Alum Rock kept up to 500 pupils off school today.
Consultation broke down last week amid claims the school had failed to heed the concerns of the mainly Muslim parents about the content of the award-winning equality lessons and storybooks.”
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...
“Parents in dispute over equality teaching at Parkfield Primary School in Alum Rock kept up to 500 pupils off school today.
Consultation broke down last week amid claims the school had failed to heed the concerns of the mainly Muslim parents about the content of the award-winning equality lessons and storybooks.”
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...
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