School protests - sex education
Discussion
I think the flags etc are inciteful and don't help anyone. You can't teach Uk Pakistanis something that fundamentally is as far away from thier faith as homosexuality is. It ain't gonna happen, it's costing everyone time and money and it needs sorting fast. I don't however agree with this mob handed dissent. It's making the 'muslim' (most people do not know the difference between Indian-Pakistani-Bangladeshi) community look bad, and starts the whole merrygoround off again.
fesuvious said:
The real 'story' is the highlighting of how incompatible Islam, is with modern society in any non-Islamic country.
The media are tiptoeing around it but the real clash is yet to be widely reported and be brought to wider and more obvious attention.
Islam is not compatible with any other belief system or societal construct.
If poor children weren't suffering it'd be popcorn worthy watching it play out.
More people need to ask themselves about the home, faith based indoctrination happening when the parents are strict followers of the literal word of the Koran.
I worry about it
Well thats a very wide sweeping statement when Islam has been one of the most tolerant religions throughout history and Muslims have lived side by side by other faiths for hundreds of years without any problems. But dont let facts get in the way of your nonsense. The media are tiptoeing around it but the real clash is yet to be widely reported and be brought to wider and more obvious attention.
Islam is not compatible with any other belief system or societal construct.
If poor children weren't suffering it'd be popcorn worthy watching it play out.
More people need to ask themselves about the home, faith based indoctrination happening when the parents are strict followers of the literal word of the Koran.
I worry about it
I guess you have no issues with the Jewish community protesting also?
Halb said:
s1962a said:
Rivenink said:
s1962a said:
So in typical PH fashion, if your kids school was doing a religious seminar and an LGBT educational seminar on the same day for your kids, you'd be up in arms about the religions education, and a religious type would be up in arms against the LGBT session.. but you'd claim the other person was wrong and not being tolerant?
That makes sense.
I'm glad it makes sense to you, because I'm struggling to pick out what exactly it is you're making a point about. That makes sense.
and one group who wishes to be allowed to persecute and attack
markcoznottz said:
I think the flags etc are inciteful and don't help anyone. You can't teach Uk Pakistanis something that fundamentally is as far away from thier faith as homosexuality is.
60 or 70 years ago the view of many UK muslims on the subject of homosexuality would have been perfectly in step with the wider UK society and indeed would have agreed with the law and government policy. The point is that that attitudes have changed and that attitudes [b[can[/b] change. Giving people a pass for abhorrent views because they have the backing of a sky fairy is no way to develop and shape a society. If we want to move towards a live and let live society, where being different from the norm is celebrated (or at the very least happily tolerated) then issues like this need to be tackled. You can't live in a tolerant western democracy and then moan that your children are being exposed to tolerant western values.RTB said:
60 or 70 years ago the view of many UK muslims on the subject of homosexuality would have been perfectly in step with the wider UK society and indeed would have agreed with the law and government policy. The point is that that attitudes have changed and that attitudes [b[can[/b] change. Giving people a pass for abhorrent views because they have the backing of a sky fairy is no way to develop and shape a society. If we want to move towards a live and let live society, where being different from the norm is celebrated (or at the very least happily tolerated) then issues like this need to be tackled. You can't live in a tolerant western democracy and then moan that your children are being exposed to tolerant western values.
Indeed. One group of people demanding tolerance and understanding of their views wanting to stop another group from having theirs heard and understood.Karl Popper – German Scientist-Philosopher
“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”
popeyewhite said:
At primary school age it should be the job of parents to teach children about adult sexual relationships.
Not sure any primary school children should be taught about adult sexual relationships by anyone. Why is it when people see that kids are being taught about LGBT people, their thinking immediately revolves around sex.
My hypothesis is that for many of them, their only understanding of LGBT people comes from hours of 'research' on pron sites.
popeyewhite said:
Rivenink said:
Why is it when people see that kids are being taught about LGBT people, their thinking immediately revolves around sex.
Ahh... yes thread titles are always accurate.
I just went and read about the 'No Outsiders' curriculum. Silly me.
RTB said:
markcoznottz said:
I think the flags etc are inciteful and don't help anyone. You can't teach Uk Pakistanis something that fundamentally is as far away from thier faith as homosexuality is.
60 or 70 years ago the view of many UK muslims on the subject of homosexuality would have been perfectly in step with the wider UK society and indeed would have agreed with the law and government policy. The point is that that attitudes have changed and that attitudes [b[can[/b] change. Giving people a pass for abhorrent views because they have the backing of a sky fairy is no way to develop and shape a society. If we want to move towards a live and let live society, where being different from the norm is celebrated (or at the very least happily tolerated) then issues like this need to be tackled. You can't live in a tolerant western democracy and then moan that your children are being exposed to tolerant western values.I live in a predominantly white area of UK but know of many people who disagree with teaching of LGBT issues in junior schools, however it is not what I came here to point out.
I wonder why other lifestyles are being taught in schools, poly for example, nudists, incest, promiscuous and so on and if they were how would you feel about it?
Secondly I find it interesting the number of people who attack religeous teaching in school yet support LGBT lessons. THe LGBT communities are tiny although very vocal and considerably outnumber by these with religious beliefs
I wonder why other lifestyles are being taught in schools, poly for example, nudists, incest, promiscuous and so on and if they were how would you feel about it?
Secondly I find it interesting the number of people who attack religeous teaching in school yet support LGBT lessons. THe LGBT communities are tiny although very vocal and considerably outnumber by these with religious beliefs
Macski said:
I wonder why other lifestyles are being taught in schools
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