Gay couple beaten for refusing to kiss for a mob
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JagLover said:
Lucas Ayde said:
Now that the facts are out, surprise surprise - one of the 'victims' actually initiated the violence, as many suspected.
https://youtu.be/dv1Ycfc0tFM
Perhaps unsurprisingly, none of the media which were loudly virtue signalling about 'homophobic attacks' have bothered to point out that little detail.
And yes, the youths who were baiting them are scumbags and deserved to get punished for the theft which followed the fight that the blonde woman started.
Don't really agree with you there. It has long been seen as socially acceptable for a woman to respond to obscene remarks or the like with a slap. That doesn't then give physically stronger males the right to assault them in return, they should have behaved properly around a lady to start with. https://youtu.be/dv1Ycfc0tFM
Perhaps unsurprisingly, none of the media which were loudly virtue signalling about 'homophobic attacks' have bothered to point out that little detail.
And yes, the youths who were baiting them are scumbags and deserved to get punished for the theft which followed the fight that the blonde woman started.
Lucas Ayde said:
Now that the facts are out, surprise surprise - one of the 'victims' actually initiated the violence, as many suspected.
They were wrong then and they’re wrong now, unless you don’t count have coins thrown at you as violent? Why is victims in scare quotes? You don’t think these women are victims of the assault their attackers have plead guilty to?
Easy decision for me - the point they started throwing coins then they deserved a smack. That is bullying and the point of escalation. However I can see the problem if say it was between a group of guys - say two Ph’ers being pestered and then one has enough and cracks one of the scrotes over the head with a Macbook Pro or Omega Seamaster. In this case would the harassed then be charged?
Alpinestars said:
Lucas Ayde said:
Now that the facts are out, surprise surprise - one of the 'victims' actually initiated the violence, as many suspected.
https://youtu.be/dv1Ycfc0tFM
Perhaps unsurprisingly, none of the media which were loudly virtue signalling about 'homophobic attacks' have bothered to point out that little detail.
And yes, the youths who were baiting them are scumbags and deserved to get punished for the theft which followed the fight that the blonde woman started.
Why surprise surprise? Did you have a preconceived idea of what happened?https://youtu.be/dv1Ycfc0tFM
Perhaps unsurprisingly, none of the media which were loudly virtue signalling about 'homophobic attacks' have bothered to point out that little detail.
And yes, the youths who were baiting them are scumbags and deserved to get punished for the theft which followed the fight that the blonde woman started.
Do you think the defence wouldn’t have had access to this video?
I feel she had every right to have a go once they threw coins at her, yes she escalated it but what is she supposed to do, throw coins back? Once they started the violent conduct they can hardly feel aggrieved if they get clumped.
I'm not saying starting a punch up on a bus is a good thing but I think she showed courage to take it to them.
Sitting back and doing nothing could have encouraged them to go to the next level. It must have been a terrifying situation for the 2 girls.
I'm not saying starting a punch up on a bus is a good thing but I think she showed courage to take it to them.
Sitting back and doing nothing could have encouraged them to go to the next level. It must have been a terrifying situation for the 2 girls.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Have you contacted the Police with this new evidence?
The three people who pleaded guilty will be sentenced on the 23rd so if you believe there has been a miscarriage of justice you don't have long.
My point (which has whooshed over you head) is that they aren't the completely innocent victims of a homophobic attack as they initially tried to portray the situation as - and as the the media was only too happy to promote, despite as many here noticed and commented on, the statements by the women being very strange.The three people who pleaded guilty will be sentenced on the 23rd so if you believe there has been a miscarriage of justice you don't have long.
What appears to have happened is that they were being hassled by these youths and one of them took the bait and initiated a fight. Perhaps unsurprisingly, they came off worse and ended up getting some of their stuff nicked into the bargain. I would speculate that the youths were out to mug them in the first place.
It certainly WASN'T case case of 'Gay couple beaten for refusing to kiss for a mob' as was the title of this thread and the general thrust of the media coverage (and of course the virtue signallers in this thread). More a case of a mugging on a bus in London which isn't normally newsworthy but hey - when you can put a narrative spin on it that appeals to social justice it suddenly becomes national news.
fido said:
Easy decision for me - the point they started throwing coins then they deserved a smack. That is bullying and the point of escalation. However I can see the problem if say it was between a group of guys - say two Ph’ers being pestered and then one has enough and cracks one of the scrotes over the head with a Macbook Pro or Omega Seamaster. In this case would the harassed then be charged?
If it had just been two heterosexual guys or a heterosexual couple being mugged, it wouldn't even have made the news - muggings happen all the time in London. But the opportunity to fabricate a juicy social justice narrative was just irresistable for the media.Lucas Ayde said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Have you contacted the Police with this new evidence?
The three people who pleaded guilty will be sentenced on the 23rd so if you believe there has been a miscarriage of justice you don't have long.
My point (which has whooshed over you head) is that they aren't the completely innocent victims of a homophobic attack as they initially tried to portray the situation as - and as the the media was only too happy to promote, despite as many here noticed and commented on, the statements by the women being very strange.The three people who pleaded guilty will be sentenced on the 23rd so if you believe there has been a miscarriage of justice you don't have long.
What appears to have happened is that they were being hassled by these youths and one of them took the bait and initiated a fight. Perhaps unsurprisingly, they came off worse and ended up getting some of their stuff nicked into the bargain. I would speculate that the youths were out to mug them in the first place.
It certainly WASN'T case case of 'Gay couple beaten for refusing to kiss for a mob' as was the title of this thread and the general thrust of the media coverage (and of course the virtue signallers in this thread). More a case of a mugging on a bus in London which isn't normally newsworthy but hey - when you can put a narrative spin on it that appeals to social justice it suddenly becomes national news.
I notice you're ignoring the fact they were physically attacked first, before she struck back.
Teddy Lop said:
the reports painted the picture that they were just minding their own business and had the st kicked out of them just because, as if there was nothing they could do to prevent being bloodied. That was inaccurate.
Not only that - but take a look at the Sky News story that Tim Pool was quoting and which actually contains a video where you can see what actually happened:t kicked out of them just because, as if there was nothing they could do to prevent being bloodied. That was inaccurate.https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not one word about the blonde woman who gets up and actually starts the fight. But plenty of spin about supposed 'homophobia' and the continued narrative push that the woman was punched first:
" Ms Hannigan said she then walked past the two boys to another one who was throwing coins from further back in the bus, and told the court: "I imagine that I did something to physically confront him."
She said she was then punched in the face and the police arrived shortly after.
What actually happened, as can be seen from the CCTV footage, is that the woman walked up to one of the scrotes and started to hit him. Now, I'd be the first to say he deserved a slap but it certainly isn't consistent with the narrative being pushed by the women and the media coverage.
Lucas Ayde said:
My point (which has whooshed over you head) is that they aren't the completely innocent victims of a homophobic attack as they initially tried to portray the situation as - and as the the media was only too happy to promote, despite as many here noticed and commented on, the statements by the women being very strange.
What appears to have happened is that they were being hassled by these youths and one of them took the bait and initiated a fight. Perhaps unsurprisingly, they came off worse and ended up getting some of their stuff nicked into the bargain. I would speculate that the youths were out to mug them in the first place.
It certainly WASN'T case case of 'Gay couple beaten for refusing to kiss for a mob' as was the title of this thread and the general thrust of the media coverage (and of course the virtue signallers in this thread). More a case of a mugging on a bus in London which isn't normally newsworthy but hey - when you can put a narrative spin on it that appeals to social justice it suddenly becomes national news.
No whoosh.What appears to have happened is that they were being hassled by these youths and one of them took the bait and initiated a fight. Perhaps unsurprisingly, they came off worse and ended up getting some of their stuff nicked into the bargain. I would speculate that the youths were out to mug them in the first place.
It certainly WASN'T case case of 'Gay couple beaten for refusing to kiss for a mob' as was the title of this thread and the general thrust of the media coverage (and of course the virtue signallers in this thread). More a case of a mugging on a bus in London which isn't normally newsworthy but hey - when you can put a narrative spin on it that appeals to social justice it suddenly becomes national news.
2 innocent victims.
3 people who have pleaded guilty and await sentencing.
A judge who commented the attack “was quite clearly directed towards this couple because of who they are.”
That seems to be the takeaway.
I don't get this thing where people constantly feel the need to blame the victims of this kind of thing.
Bit weird IMO.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: No whoosh.
2 innocent victims.
3 people who have pleaded guilty.
A judge who commented the attack “was quite clearly directed towards this couple because of who they are.”
That seems to be the takeaway.
I don't get this thing where people constantly feel the need to blame the victims of this kind of thing.
Bit weird IMO.
Because PH, because society is going in the wrong direction? Who the f2 innocent victims.
3 people who have pleaded guilty.
A judge who commented the attack “was quite clearly directed towards this couple because of who they are.”
That seems to be the takeaway.
I don't get this thing where people constantly feel the need to blame the victims of this kind of thing.
Bit weird IMO.
k knows, victim blaming is pretty popular!bhstewie said:
hstewie said: No whoosh.
2 innocent victims.
3 people who have pleaded guilty and await sentencing.
A judge who commented the attack “was quite clearly directed towards this couple because of who they are.”
That seems to be the takeaway.
I don't get this thing where people constantly feel the need to blame the victims of this kind of thing.
Bit weird IMO.
I guess just that some of us just care about accurate reporting rather than made up narratives, more than others.2 innocent victims.
3 people who have pleaded guilty and await sentencing.
A judge who commented the attack “was quite clearly directed towards this couple because of who they are.”
That seems to be the takeaway.
I don't get this thing where people constantly feel the need to blame the victims of this kind of thing.
Bit weird IMO.
Lucas Ayde said:
Teddy Lop said:
the reports painted the picture that they were just minding their own business and had the st kicked out of them just because, as if there was nothing they could do to prevent being bloodied. That was inaccurate.
Not only that - but take a look at the Sky News story that Tim Pool was quoting and which actually contains a video where you can see what actually happened:t kicked out of them just because, as if there was nothing they could do to prevent being bloodied. That was inaccurate.https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not one word about the blonde woman who gets up and actually starts the fight. But plenty of spin about supposed 'homophobia' and the continued narrative push that the woman was punched first:
" Ms Hannigan said she then walked past the two boys to another one who was throwing coins from further back in the bus, and told the court: "I imagine that I did something to physically confront him."
She said she was then punched in the face and the police arrived shortly after.
What actually happened, as can be seen from the CCTV footage, is that the woman walked up to one of the scrotes and started to hit him. Now, I'd be the first to say he deserved a slap but it certainly isn't consistent with the narrative being pushed by the women and the media coverage.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I don't get this thing where people constantly feel the need to blame the victims of this kind of thing.
Yeah, I think the problem is when one is perceived to ‘play a card’ or the media (unhelpfully in my opinion) assists in this narrative. But that doesn’t changes the fact that the girls were harassed and subjected to coin projectiles, and then mugged. All of these were done deliberately by the teenagers. No excuses.
Says the bloke who posted a YouTube link to some idiot making up a narrative. Brilliant!Lucas Ayde said:
I guess just that some of us just care about accurate reporting rather than made up narratives, more than others.
If you care about accurate reporting you'd perhaps consider what the judge said."I am quite sure this was a hostile act. However, I also have to be sure that you were hostile because Ms Hannigan was a lesbian."
"In other words, that you were picking on her because of who she was and not just fooling around. I have come to the short conclusion that is exactly what you were doing."
I'd assume the judge would have access to all of the evidence and probably doesn't rely on YouTube videos.
I'm not sure I'd be going out on a limb for the 3 attackers but I guess it takes all sorts.
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