Gay couple beaten for refusing to kiss for a mob
Discussion
rscott said:
Would that be the scrote who had already thrown coins at them? I notice you seem unable or unwilling to consider the coin throwing aspect?
Having coins thrown at you from the back of a bus by a gang of scrotes isn;t the same as 'being beaten'. Typically, r-souls like those do it because they are wanting to goad you into a fight which is something that I would take as a very good sign that I need to get the hell out of there. Not as an invitation to go up and start a fight that is only going to go one way.This was a mugging - pure and simple - the scumbags were winding them up and one of them took the bait.
It seems that they went to the police who, given that many muggings happen in London, didn't feel like launching a huge investigation. So the women went to the press with a highly suspect narrative about being the victims of gay bashing, which the media was only too happy to run with without question, and as a result the police investigation got upgraded.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: If you care about accurate reporting you'd perhaps consider what the judge said.
"I am quite sure this was a hostile act. However, I also have to be sure that you were hostile because Ms Hannigan was a lesbian."
"In other words, that you were picking on her because of who she was and not just fooling around. I have come to the short conclusion that is exactly what you were doing."
I'd assume the judge would have access to all of the evidence and probably doesn't rely on YouTube videos.
I'm not sure I'd be going out on a limb for the 3 attackers but I guess it takes all sorts.
LOL. I've repeatedly gone out of my way to express my disdain for the wee scrotes not that this has stopped you making a strawman argument about it. Why isn't this a suprise "I am quite sure this was a hostile act. However, I also have to be sure that you were hostile because Ms Hannigan was a lesbian."
"In other words, that you were picking on her because of who she was and not just fooling around. I have come to the short conclusion that is exactly what you were doing."
I'd assume the judge would have access to all of the evidence and probably doesn't rely on YouTube videos.
I'm not sure I'd be going out on a limb for the 3 attackers but I guess it takes all sorts.
Bill said:
Says the bloke who posted a YouTube link to some idiot making up a narrative. Brilliant!https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
the mental gymnastics of that character was amusing, but very similar to what we see on these pages. Ytube is full of sorts like that though.Lucas Ayde said:
LOL. I've repeatedly gone out of my way to express my disdain for the wee scrotes not that this has stopped you making a strawman argument about it. Why isn't this a suprise
No strawman."This was a mugging - pure and simple - the scumbags were winding them up and one of them took the bait."
The judge who has seen all the evidence said what it was linked to who they were yet here you are with "proof" in the form of some American bloke in a YouTube video.
Seriously dude?
fido said:
Yeah, I think the problem is when one is perceived to ‘play a card’ or the media (unhelpfully in my opinion) assists in this narrative. But that doesn’t changes the fact that the girls were harassed and subjected to coin projectiles, and then mugged. All of these were done deliberately by the teenagers. No excuses.
Certainly no excuses for them - I only wish more of those nasty little Richard Heads were investigated by the police and dealt with by the courts.But it seems that the authorities are only interested in tackling muggers when the media has a narrative to push.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: No strawman.
"This was a mugging - pure and simple - the scumbags were winding them up and one of them took the bait."
The judge who has seen all the evidence said what it was linked to who they were yet here you are with "proof" in the form of some American bloke in a YouTube video.
Seriously dude?
From the Sky News report:"This was a mugging - pure and simple - the scumbags were winding them up and one of them took the bait."
The judge who has seen all the evidence said what it was linked to who they were yet here you are with "proof" in the form of some American bloke in a YouTube video.
Seriously dude?
"Whether the incident was aggravated by the women's' sexual orientations will be decided at sentence."
That was the 28th Nov.
Have they been sentenced yet? Got a link?
Lucas Ayde said:
From the Sky News report:
"Whether the incident was aggravated by the women's' sexual orientations will be decided at sentence."
That was the 28th Nov.
Have they been sentenced yet? Got a link?
Of course, here you are:"Whether the incident was aggravated by the women's' sexual orientations will be decided at sentence."
That was the 28th Nov.
Have they been sentenced yet? Got a link?
Rehabilitation order for 17-year-old after homophobic attack on former Bishop's Stortford woman
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Of course, here you are:
Rehabilitation order for 17-year-old after homophobic attack on former Bishop's Stortford woman
That was ascribing a homophobic motivation for ONE of the four youths for picking on her in the first place. What about the other two who haven't been sentenced yet (case against the fourth was dropped). Rehabilitation order for 17-year-old after homophobic attack on former Bishop's Stortford woman
Lucas Ayde said:
gregs656 said:
Yes they are.
No, they are not.gregs656 said:
You don’t believe in the right to self defence?
I din't mention anything about self defence and that isn't the point. If this was a squaddie on a bus who had reacted in the same way to this kind of abuse and violence you would 100% be arguing that he has a right to protect him self and those assaulting him got what they deserved.
Because it is a woman was was being assaulted for being gay you want to invent a fictional scenario where they instigated the attack.
Why is that?
Lucas Ayde said:
That was ascribing a homophobic motivation for ONE of the four youths for picking on her in the first place. What about the other two who haven't been sentenced yet (case against the fourth was dropped).
Half an hour ago it was a mugging "pure and simple".Personally I'd probably call it a day about now.
gregs656 said:
You didn’t mention it but apparently these women defending them selves from their attackers who you think might have just been out to mug them after assaulting them means they are not innocent and not victims.
If this was a squaddie on a bus who had reacted in the same way to this kind of abuse and violence you would 100% be arguing that he has a right to protect him self and those assaulting him got what they deserved.
Because it is a woman was was being assaulted for being gay you want to invent a fictional scenario where they instigated the attack.
Why is that?
It's a simple fact that the blonde woman unwisely approached the youths and started throwing punches, you can see it on the CCTV here:If this was a squaddie on a bus who had reacted in the same way to this kind of abuse and violence you would 100% be arguing that he has a right to protect him self and those assaulting him got what they deserved.
Because it is a woman was was being assaulted for being gay you want to invent a fictional scenario where they instigated the attack.
Why is that?
https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not once has this been commented on by the mainstream media - the narrative is that a gang of men laid into them for being Lesbian.
EDIT: and I've already said that they were absolutely victims of a mugging. Personally, I don't think that going up and taking a swing at someone in a group of people who outnumber me 4 to 2 and are almost certainly stronger and nastier was a good idea (first, because I'd surely get a beating and second because courts tend to take a dim view of men who throw the first punch). I'd have gone downstairs and told the driver I was being threatened.
Edited by Lucas Ayde on Sunday 8th December 19:12
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Lucas Ayde said:
It is a mugging. That's why the police weren't too fussed. But dress it up in the theme of the day and you'll get favourable treatment by the authorities,
You're making yourself look foolish dude.Seriously.
Lucas Ayde said:
It's a simple fact that the blonde woman unwisely approached the youths and started throwing punches, you can see it on the CCTV here:
https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not once has this been commented on by the mainstream media - the narrative is that a gang of men laid into them for being Lesbian.
You’re doing a great impression of an utter whttps://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not once has this been commented on by the mainstream media - the narrative is that a gang of men laid into them for being Lesbian.
ker. Lucas Ayde said:
gregs656 said:
You didn’t mention it but apparently these women defending them selves from their attackers who you think might have just been out to mug them after assaulting them means they are not innocent and not victims.
If this was a squaddie on a bus who had reacted in the same way to this kind of abuse and violence you would 100% be arguing that he has a right to protect him self and those assaulting him got what they deserved.
Because it is a woman was was being assaulted for being gay you want to invent a fictional scenario where they instigated the attack.
Why is that?
It's a simple fact that the blonde woman unwisely approached the youths and started throwing punches, you can see it on the CCTV here:If this was a squaddie on a bus who had reacted in the same way to this kind of abuse and violence you would 100% be arguing that he has a right to protect him self and those assaulting him got what they deserved.
Because it is a woman was was being assaulted for being gay you want to invent a fictional scenario where they instigated the attack.
Why is that?
https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not once has this been commented on by the mainstream media - the narrative is that a gang of men laid into them for being Lesbian.
People derided on the car theft thread for leaving their keys by the front door to avoid being murdered for their car
Yet a woman harangued & possibly pelted with coins etc and made to feel unsafe was apparantly asking for it by squaring up to her attackers
You may be right that the situation escalated due to her actions but similarly would you just sit there and let your Mrs take a load of abuse of a bunch of little
s on a bus?If the gang hadn't have been on the bus do you think the woman would have squared up to someone else and got in a fight with them instead?
I think not.
jakesmith said:
There's a certain irony on PH about this type of thing
People derided on the car theft thread for leaving their keys by the front door to avoid being murdered for their car
Yet a woman harangued & possibly pelted with coins etc and made to feel unsafe was apparantly asking for it by squaring up to her attackers
You may be right that the situation escalated due to her actions but similarly would you just sit there and let your Mrs take a load of abuse of a bunch of littles on a bus?
If the gang hadn't have been on the bus do you think the woman would have squared up to someone else and got in a fight with them instead?
I think not.
As I later said in an edit - I'd have gone downstairs. They are clearly looking for confrontation and you are outnumbered and out-nastied (scum like that are clearly going to be a lot more used to violence and they are clearly trying to bait you). There is no positive outcome from the point where a gang of four scumbag youths start taunting you on the upper deck of a late night bus and even if you get a good hit in you run the risk of being the one who gets prosecuted by the police for starting the fight.People derided on the car theft thread for leaving their keys by the front door to avoid being murdered for their car
Yet a woman harangued & possibly pelted with coins etc and made to feel unsafe was apparantly asking for it by squaring up to her attackers
You may be right that the situation escalated due to her actions but similarly would you just sit there and let your Mrs take a load of abuse of a bunch of little
s on a bus?If the gang hadn't have been on the bus do you think the woman would have squared up to someone else and got in a fight with them instead?
I think not.
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