Gay couple beaten for refusing to kiss for a mob
Discussion
Lucas Ayde said:
As I later said in an edit - I'd have gone downstairs. They are clearly looking for confrontation and you are outnumbered and out-nastied (scum like that are clearly going to be a lot more used to violence and they are clearly trying to bait you). There is no positive outcome from the point where a gang of four scumbag youths start taunting you on the upper deck of a late night bus and even if you get a good hit in you run the risk of being the one who gets prosecuted by the police for starting the fight.
I too would have gone downstairsEscy said:
The story doesn't cover the bit between the throwing of coins and the physical violence. Reading between the lines, i'm going to suggest the blonde women started the physical violence. That's probably why the CCTV isn't available.
Those responsible are obviously idiots, hope they get done.
I said this on page 1 and got about 3 pages of abuse and it turns out the CCTV backs up my suggestion. 3 pages of apologies incoming... Those responsible are obviously idiots, hope they get done.
If she was build like a brick outhouse with a crew cut and a anchor tattoo on her bicep this would have been a non story,
Lucas Ayde said:
That was ascribing a homophobic motivation for ONE of the four youths for picking on her in the first place. What about the other two who haven't been sentenced yet (case against the fourth was dropped).
What do you think that means? It was only 1/3 homophobic? 66% just joshing about??Lucas Ayde said:
It's a simple fact that the blonde woman unwisely approached the youths and started throwing punches, you can see it on the CCTV here:
https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not once has this been commented on by the mainstream media - the narrative is that a gang of men laid into them for being Lesbian.
EDIT: and I've already said that they were absolutely victims of a mugging. Personally, I don't think that going up and taking a swing at someone in a group of people who outnumber me 4 to 2 and are almost certainly stronger and nastier was a good idea (first, because I'd surely get a beating and second because courts tend to take a dim view of men who throw the first punch). I'd have gone downstairs and told the driver I was being threatened.
Many people do unwise things. Was the chap with the Narwhal tusk less of a victim of the London Bridge attack because he chose to act in defence of himself and others?https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not once has this been commented on by the mainstream media - the narrative is that a gang of men laid into them for being Lesbian.
EDIT: and I've already said that they were absolutely victims of a mugging. Personally, I don't think that going up and taking a swing at someone in a group of people who outnumber me 4 to 2 and are almost certainly stronger and nastier was a good idea (first, because I'd surely get a beating and second because courts tend to take a dim view of men who throw the first punch). I'd have gone downstairs and told the driver I was being threatened.
Edited by Lucas Ayde on Sunday 8th December 19:12
They were targeted and attacked because they were lesbians.
Your opinion of what is sensible or not is really not the issue and, to be honest, not the narrative you have tried to push here - that the women were not victims and were actually instigators.
Lucas Ayde said:
It's a simple fact that the blonde woman unwisely approached the youths and started throwing punches, you can see it on the CCTV here:
https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not once has this been commented on by the mainstream media - the narrative is that a gang of men laid into them for being Lesbian.
EDIT: and I've already said that they were absolutely victims of a mugging. Personally, I don't think that going up and taking a swing at someone in a group of people who outnumber me 4 to 2 and are almost certainly stronger and nastier was a good idea (first, because I'd surely get a beating and second because courts tend to take a dim view of men who throw the first punch). I'd have gone downstairs and told the driver I was being threatened.
Are you ignoring the part where the men were throwing coins at them? They weren't being threatened, they were being attacked.https://news.sky.com/story/woman-targeted-on-bus-i...
Not once has this been commented on by the mainstream media - the narrative is that a gang of men laid into them for being Lesbian.
EDIT: and I've already said that they were absolutely victims of a mugging. Personally, I don't think that going up and taking a swing at someone in a group of people who outnumber me 4 to 2 and are almost certainly stronger and nastier was a good idea (first, because I'd surely get a beating and second because courts tend to take a dim view of men who throw the first punch). I'd have gone downstairs and told the driver I was being threatened.
Edited by Lucas Ayde on Sunday 8th December 19:12
If you want to volunteer for a demonstration of the damage a thrown coin can do, just let us know.
oyster said:
The narrative I recall from the media on this story when it arose back in the summer was:
Homophobic thugs verbally and physically assault and then rob these 2 women.
From the outcome of the court case it would appear that narrative is spot on.
No no no it’s the victim’s fault for standing up to the thugs Homophobic thugs verbally and physically assault and then rob these 2 women.
From the outcome of the court case it would appear that narrative is spot on.
Wonder why this wasn’t all over the news for weeks
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7785005/T...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7785005/T...
Pesty said:
Wonder why this wasn’t all over the news for weeks
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7785005/T...
No need to wonder why you think it wasn’t. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7785005/T...
Pesty said:
Wonder why this wasn’t all over the news for weeks
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7785005/T...
What is wrong with people. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7785005/T...
Teddy Lop said:
failed to make social media rageflake scream of the week like this other story did though did it?
Can't think why, I mean the pre-meditated way it was carried out screams of vile far more than some drunken louts on a nightbus.
I think the press are a bit preoccupied with the small matter of an election at the moment. What they did is disgusting and they deserve what they’ve got and more. Can't think why, I mean the pre-meditated way it was carried out screams of vile far more than some drunken louts on a nightbus.
Video up
Now this is an interesting one.
Philosophically should you use violence against somebody being inappropriate using words?
Not saying they didn’t deserve a slap but most people on here usualy say that you just shouldn’t attack people
The women attacked first. ( physically) appeared to from the vid anyway.
But they also attacked and continued attacking when the kids were trying to retreats and leave the bus. Pretty sure I’d be in the s
t from the police for doing that I was no longer in danger they were running away.
So interesting questions obviously just for asking the or even thinking them I’m a bad man.
Fair play to the blond girl she got stuck in with no fear and went straight for them. Her girlfriend backed her up. I’d only accuse them of over estimating their abilities in that situation.
Difficult one because they shouldn’t have to sit there and be abused so I’d judge in their favour and fk those kids leave people alone don’t abuse strangers. They were in a difficult spot. I believe if you are feeling threatened you should be able to pre emptily act in self defence.
Most experts say if you are feeling threatened and are able to escape you should.
Could they have gone down stairs to the driver? Should they have?
https://metro.co.uk/video/same-sex-couple-bus-trea...
Now this is an interesting one.
Philosophically should you use violence against somebody being inappropriate using words?
Not saying they didn’t deserve a slap but most people on here usualy say that you just shouldn’t attack people
The women attacked first. ( physically) appeared to from the vid anyway.
But they also attacked and continued attacking when the kids were trying to retreats and leave the bus. Pretty sure I’d be in the s
t from the police for doing that I was no longer in danger they were running away.So interesting questions obviously just for asking the or even thinking them I’m a bad man.
Fair play to the blond girl she got stuck in with no fear and went straight for them. Her girlfriend backed her up. I’d only accuse them of over estimating their abilities in that situation.
Difficult one because they shouldn’t have to sit there and be abused so I’d judge in their favour and f
k those kids leave people alone don’t abuse strangers. They were in a difficult spot. I believe if you are feeling threatened you should be able to pre emptily act in self defence. Most experts say if you are feeling threatened and are able to escape you should.
Could they have gone down stairs to the driver? Should they have?
https://metro.co.uk/video/same-sex-couple-bus-trea...
Edited by Pesty on Sunday 22 December 23:15
Davos123 said:
I was under the impression coins were thrown at the women before one of them got involved in a physical altercation? If so the boys started the physical violence.
Maybe so don’t know, can’t see that in the vid.For me it doesn’t matter if they felt threatened they were within their rights to pre empt attack if they felt it was their best option. although as I said it’s not usualy the advice, And didn’t perhaps work out as well as running down the stair might have.
But they had no duty to retreat in my opinion and shouldn’t need to. I would advise my daughters to go down the stairs to the driver who could radio for police in that situation and possibly other people sitting down there.
Edit to add.
Either way coins thrown or not the boys were the instigators of all the happened afterwoods and totally at blame for it.
Are we stuck in a loop? Same video was posted a few weeks ago when the trial ended and same discussion about coins being thrown.
It's even mentioned in the court report from end of November - https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/29/boys-asked-gay-coup...
It's even mentioned in the court report from end of November - https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/29/boys-asked-gay-coup...
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