Gulf of Oman incidents

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skyrover

12,188 posts

148 months

Saturday 20th July
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grumbledoak said:
skyrover said:
Don't confuse simply refusing to do as the American's ask, and being a bunch of horrible bds.

Iran wants to dominate the region, whether it had America on it's side or not.
Is this the hypocrisy thread? We are allied to the most horrible bds in the region, and pretty much created the other. Iran was doing okay 'til we installed a puppet. And it's the same story in several others.
Name one Islamic country that has not ended up a backward, authoritarian sthole or is well on the way to becoming one. Blaming others (namely the West or Israel) for one's own problems is a middle eastern pastime.

grumbledoak

24,369 posts

177 months

Saturday 20th July
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skyrover said:
Name one Islamic country that has not ended up a backward, authoritarian sthole or is well on the way to becoming one. Blaming others (namely the West or Israel) for one's own problems is a middle eastern pastime.
You mean "name one we haven't turned into a backward, authoritarian sthole", I presume? There is a reason we keep getting the blame here.

s2art

17,485 posts

197 months

Saturday 20th July
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grumbledoak said:
skyrover said:
Name one Islamic country that has not ended up a backward, authoritarian sthole or is well on the way to becoming one. Blaming others (namely the West or Israel) for one's own problems is a middle eastern pastime.
You mean "name one we haven't turned into a backward, authoritarian sthole", I presume? There is a reason we keep getting the blame here.
You blaming the UK for the situation in Egypt or the Sudan? (or a few other places that we inflicted good governance on)

Earthdweller

2,292 posts

70 months

Saturday 20th July
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s2art said:
You blaming the UK for the situation in Egypt or the Sudan? (or a few other places that we inflicted good governance on)
Whilst the UK ( and many others ) drew abitary lines in the map to create “modern states” from tribal feudal and religious areas all that has happened since the Colonials left is that they have regressed back along tribal and religious lines

This is not just the ME but all over, even Europe where you have to look no further than post Tito Yugoslavia

Both Iraq and Iran were modern free westernised societies until the 70’s

If people’s default position is a 2000 year old book then so be it

grumbledoak

24,369 posts

177 months

Saturday 20th July
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s2art said:
You blaming the UK for the situation in Egypt or the Sudan? (or a few other places that we inflicted good governance on)
I am less familiar with Sudan at present, but Egypt's current situation is Phony Spring based.

Can you name one that wants us back in charge? Maybe Hong Kong.

s2art

17,485 posts

197 months

Saturday 20th July
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grumbledoak said:
s2art said:
You blaming the UK for the situation in Egypt or the Sudan? (or a few other places that we inflicted good governance on)
I am less familiar with Sudan at present, but Egypt's current situation is Phony Spring based.

Can you name one that wants us back in charge? Maybe Hong Kong.
I mentioned the Sudan because thats exactly what some of the old timers who could remember British rule were saying. Similar in Sierra Leone, not to mention parts of the carribean who refused independence. Not that long ago many were saying in in Zimbabwe too..

BlackLabel

12,147 posts

67 months

Saturday 20th July
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America to reopen its Saudi Air Base.

"U.S. military has begun reestablishing air base inside Saudi Arabia
Hundreds of U.S. troops, fighter jets, and Patriot missile defense systems are moving to Prince Sultan Air Base, officials said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/u-s-military-...

Pesty

40,129 posts

200 months

Saturday 20th July
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People in media and elsewhere saying why wasn’t there ana y ship there protecting them

I’m not convinced they’d have done sweet fa anyway.

What would they do shoot the chopper down? Doubt it. Probably face war crime charges.

Board the ship and have a shout out? Nah

We’re talking about a navy and a country so cucked that a naval boat was boarded and taken over by unarmed French fishermen a few years ago and sailed to France and nobody even used a fist.

We had an armed boat taken and navy personnel including an alleged sas/sbs member not a shot was fired and they cried because their iPod was taken.


SlimJim16v

2,257 posts

87 months

Saturday 20th July
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Pesty said:
We’re talking about a navy and a country so cucked that a naval boat was boarded and taken over by unarmed French fishermen a few years ago and sailed to France and nobody even used a fist.
I'd say that's more to do with their orders and how far they can go. Which come from higher up, which then come from our useless, arse covering politicians, don't want to cause an international incident.

Unfortunately, like our police, their hands are tied. Probably.

BlackLabel

12,147 posts

67 months

Saturday 20th July
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Why is the tanker considered British when it’s owned by a Swedish company? There aren’t even any Brits on board?

Surely it’s the Swedes who should be most angry about this?

Countdown

24,036 posts

140 months

Saturday 20th July
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BlackLabel said:
Why is the tanker considered British when it’s owned by a Swedish company? There aren’t even any Brits on board?

Surely it’s the Swedes who should be most angry about this?
The ship effectively has British nationality

Gandahar

6,926 posts

72 months

Saturday 20th July
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Britain rules the waves is just a historical lesson, even with spending $14 billion on two aircraft carriers.

Some ruibber dingies and a chopper and we can't protect a ship due to the lack of boats we have now.

Perhaps get those royal marines out of bed who captured the Iranian ship that did not need capturing and sort this out?

What is happening with that by the way? Why do we care in the greater scheme of things given what is happening in the UK at the moment.

It's a shambles.


HannsG

2,530 posts

78 months

Saturday 20th July
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It's a disgrace personally. An island nation and we ain't got enough ships....

Welcome to post brexit Britain. We have a muppet banging a young blond who dithers and talks bks.

Then you have Hunt who prefers posing with fish and chips.

Don't even get me started on Corbyn!

How on earth did we get in this position?

powerstroke

8,444 posts

104 months

Saturday 20th July
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HannsG said:
It's a disgrace personally. An island nation and we ain't got enough ships....

Welcome to post brexit Britain. We have a muppet banging a young blond who dithers and talks bks.

Then you have Hunt who prefers posing with fish and chips.

Don't even get me started on Corbyn!

How on earth did we get in this position?
We allowed wooly minded lefty's to set the agenda .....anyone with an ounce of common sense is knocked down...

Condi

8,369 posts

115 months

Saturday 20th July
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Condi said:
Supraman said:
The one we are holding is because it is suspected of breaking sanctions of importing oil into Syria. Nothing to do with it being Iranian.
But they're EU sanctions. The oil wasn't from the EU, the ship wasn't from the EU, and the destination wasn't in the EU.

Moreover I don't know which water the tanker was picked up in, but given how small the British waters are around Gibraltar its hard to believe the vessel was picked up there. If it was in Spanish waters, why didn't the Spanish stop it? Why did we have to do it? If it was in International waters then we have no more right to stop the vessel than the Iranians have to stop ours.
Apologies for going a few pages back, and for quoting my own post, but I did find the answer to this.

The tanker was due to make a scheduled stop in Gibraltar for food and spare parts, but was warned that if it entered Gibraltan waters it would be stopped. When it then did, it then was. Probably thought it was an empty threat, and there is still legal discussions being had to work out if it was legal or not. I think the justification given by the court in Gibraltar for it being kept there a bit longer was precisely that - to give the court time to decide if it was stopped legally or if it should be allowed to carry on.

Fat Fairy

437 posts

130 months

Sunday 21st July
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Pesty said:
We’re talking about a navy and a country so cucked that a naval boat was boarded and taken over by unarmed French fishermen a few years ago and sailed to France and nobody even used a fist.
Must have missed that one. however, the bit that would be important is the 'UNARMED'. If we were the US, we would obviously napalm them and their homes, then shoot up the surrounding area. We are not the US.

Pesty said:
We had an armed boat taken and navy personnel including an alleged sas/sbs member not a shot was fired and they cried because their iPod was taken.
2007. No SAS/SBS. 4 marines, plus assorted navy types.

There were 8 Iranian boats Vs 2 RN RIBS. Maybe they should have 'gone down in a blaze of glory'?

(The I-Pod loser (singular) was even castigated by his mum!)

Contrast that with the 2016 incident where the Mighty US Navy, Lord of all it Surveys.....
had two heavily armed Riverine RCBs arrested by 2, later 4 small 'fast boats'. They didn't 'go down in a blaze of glory' either.

FF

Fat Fairy

437 posts

130 months

Sunday 21st July
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HannsG said:
It's a disgrace personally. An island nation and we ain't got enough ships....

Welcome to post brexit Britain. We have a muppet banging a young blond who dithers and talks bks....

How on earth did we get in this position?
Hmmm. Well, the draw-down of the Armed Forces is not a Brexit issue is it? It's been happening since 1992! Can't blame Brexit for that. (Or is Brexit the ultimate answer to Life? The Universe? EVERYTHING?

Maybe blame the Politico's and the Treasury?

FF

Ratski83

161 posts

17 months

Sunday 21st July
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Perhaps we could deploy the 60,000 pen pushers in the MoD to get the stolen frigate back.

I am sure their strength of inclusivity and diversity and use of gender neutral toilets and safe spaces on the battle field will easily overcome the Iranian National Guard.

Fat Fairy

437 posts

130 months

Sunday 21st July
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Ratski83 said:
Perhaps we could deploy the 60,000 pen pushers in the MoD to get the stolen frigate back.
'Stolen Frigate!' eekeekeek

FF

powerstroke

8,444 posts

104 months

Sunday 21st July
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Ratski83 said:
Perhaps we could deploy the 60,000 pen pushers in the MoD to get the stolen frigate back.

I am sure their strength of inclusivity and diversity and use of gender neutral toilets and safe spaces on the battle field will easily overcome the Iranian National Guard.
hehe , mind it would be funny if it wasn't so serious , Lions and donkeys and all that ...