Gulf of Oman incidents

[BlackLabel]

America to reopen its Saudi Air Base.

"U.S. military has begun reestablishing air base inside Saudi Arabia
Hundreds of U.S. troops, fighter jets, and Patriot missile defense systems are moving to Prince Sultan Air Base, officials said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/u-s-military-...

[Pesty]

People in media and elsewhere saying why wasn’t there ana y ship there protecting them

I’m not convinced they’d have done sweet fa anyway.

What would they do shoot the chopper down? Doubt it. Probably face war crime charges.

Board the ship and have a shout out? Nah

We’re talking about a navy and a country so cucked that a naval boat was boarded and taken over by unarmed French fishermen a few years ago and sailed to France and nobody even used a fist.

We had an armed boat taken and navy personnel including an alleged sas/sbs member not a shot was fired and they cried because their iPod was taken.

[SlimJim16v]

Pesty said:

We’re talking about a navy and a country so cucked that a naval boat was boarded and taken over by unarmed French fishermen a few years ago and sailed to France and nobody even used a fist.

I'd say that's more to do with their orders and how far they can go. Which come from higher up, which then come from our useless, arse covering politicians, don't want to cause an international incident.

Unfortunately, like our police, their hands are tied. Probably.

[BlackLabel]

Why is the tanker considered British when it’s owned by a Swedish company? There aren’t even any Brits on board?

Surely it’s the Swedes who should be most angry about this?

[Countdown]

BlackLabel said:

Why is the tanker considered British when it’s owned by a Swedish company? There aren’t even any Brits on board?

Surely it’s the Swedes who should be most angry about this?

The ship effectively has British nationality

[Gandahar]

Britain rules the waves is just a historical lesson, even with spending $14 billion on two aircraft carriers.

Some ruibber dingies and a chopper and we can't protect a ship due to the lack of boats we have now.

Perhaps get those royal marines out of bed who captured the Iranian ship that did not need capturing and sort this out?

What is happening with that by the way? Why do we care in the greater scheme of things given what is happening in the UK at the moment.

It's a shambles.

[HannsG]

It's a disgrace personally. An island nation and we ain't got enough ships....

Welcome to post brexit Britain. We have a muppet banging a young blond who dithers and talks bks.

Then you have Hunt who prefers posing with fish and chips.

Don't even get me started on Corbyn!

How on earth did we get in this position?

[powerstroke]

HannsG said:

It's a disgrace personally. An island nation and we ain't got enough ships....

Welcome to post brexit Britain. We have a muppet banging a young blond who dithers and talks bks.

Then you have Hunt who prefers posing with fish and chips.

Don't even get me started on Corbyn!

How on earth did we get in this position?

We allowed wooly minded lefty's to set the agenda .....anyone with an ounce of common sense is knocked down...

[Condi]

Condi said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

But they're EU sanctions. The oil wasn't from the EU, the ship wasn't from the EU, and the destination wasn't in the EU.

Moreover I don't know which water the tanker was picked up in, but given how small the British waters are around Gibraltar its hard to believe the vessel was picked up there. If it was in Spanish waters, why didn't the Spanish stop it? Why did we have to do it? If it was in International waters then we have no more right to stop the vessel than the Iranians have to stop ours.

Apologies for going a few pages back, and for quoting my own post, but I did find the answer to this.

The tanker was due to make a scheduled stop in Gibraltar for food and spare parts, but was warned that if it entered Gibraltan waters it would be stopped. When it then did, it then was. Probably thought it was an empty threat, and there is still legal discussions being had to work out if it was legal or not. I think the justification given by the court in Gibraltar for it being kept there a bit longer was precisely that - to give the court time to decide if it was stopped legally or if it should be allowed to carry on.

[Fat Fairy]

Pesty said:

We’re talking about a navy and a country so cucked that a naval boat was boarded and taken over by unarmed French fishermen a few years ago and sailed to France and nobody even used a fist.

Must have missed that one. however, the bit that would be important is the 'UNARMED'. If we were the US, we would obviously napalm them and their homes, then shoot up the surrounding area. We are not the US.

Pesty said:

We had an armed boat taken and navy personnel including an alleged sas/sbs member not a shot was fired and they cried because their iPod was taken.

2007. No SAS/SBS. 4 marines, plus assorted navy types.

There were 8 Iranian boats Vs 2 RN RIBS. Maybe they should have 'gone down in a blaze of glory'?

(The I-Pod loser (singular) was even castigated by his mum!)

Contrast that with the 2016 incident where the Mighty US Navy, Lord of all it Surveys.....
had two heavily armed Riverine RCBs arrested by 2, later 4 small 'fast boats'. They didn't 'go down in a blaze of glory' either.

FF

[Fat Fairy]

HannsG said:

It's a disgrace personally. An island nation and we ain't got enough ships....

Welcome to post brexit Britain. We have a muppet banging a young blond who dithers and talks bks....

How on earth did we get in this position?

Hmmm. Well, the draw-down of the Armed Forces is not a Brexit issue is it? It's been happening since 1992! Can't blame Brexit for that. (Or is Brexit the ultimate answer to Life? The Universe? EVERYTHING?

Maybe blame the Politico's and the Treasury?

FF

[Ratski83]

Perhaps we could deploy the 60,000 pen pushers in the MoD to get the stolen frigate back.

I am sure their strength of inclusivity and diversity and use of gender neutral toilets and safe spaces on the battle field will easily overcome the Iranian National Guard.

[Fat Fairy]

Ratski83 said:

Perhaps we could deploy the 60,000 pen pushers in the MoD to get the stolen frigate back.

'Stolen Frigate!'

FF

[powerstroke]

Ratski83 said:

Perhaps we could deploy the 60,000 pen pushers in the MoD to get the stolen frigate back.

I am sure their strength of inclusivity and diversity and use of gender neutral toilets and safe spaces on the battle field will easily overcome the Iranian National Guard.

, mind it would be funny if it wasn't so serious , Lions and donkeys and all that ...

[Pesty]

Fat Fairy said:

Pesty said:

We’re talking about a navy and a country so cucked that a naval boat was boarded and taken over by unarmed French fishermen a few years ago and sailed to France and nobody even used a fist.

Must have missed that one. however, the bit that would be important is the 'UNARMED'. If we were the US, we would obviously napalm them and their homes, then shoot up the surrounding area. We are not the US.

HMS blazer scallop fishing dispute Christ time flies bit longer than a few years. I’m getting old.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Cherbourg_inc...


Eight French trawlers subsequently surrounded the Blazer[1] at 3:00 pm and angry fishermen boarded the ship. According to witnesses,[3] HMS Blazer was seized while manoeuvring outside the port and sailed to Cherbourg harbour by the intruders. Her crew of 16 were forced to remain below the deck for three hours, while the ship's White Ensign was burned. French authorities subsequently put an end to the situation and forcibly expelled the fishermen from Blazer and placed them under arrest. The French Navy, meanwhile, dispatched the patrol boat Coriander to Cherbourg.[1] On 29 March a flotilla of 36 French trawlers steamed up to Saint Peter Port in Guernsey, where a preliminary deal was agreed.[2] After the first incidents, the Royal Navy deployed unarmed Royal Marines to conduct any future similar law enforcement operations

Edited by Pesty on Sunday 21st July 08:03

[poo at Paul's]

We will send a sub. it needs to chuck a few torpedos about at an Iranian oil depot / port then disappear off without anyone knowing what hit them.
Of course it wont do that, as we are pussies.

[HarryW]

skyrover said:

Name one Islamic country that has not ended up a backward, authoritarian sthole or is well on the way to becoming one. Blaming others (namely the West or Israel) for one's own problems is a middle eastern pastime.

Oman

[anonymous-user]

The Iranians are only doing this because they expect Bozo to be PM and he has such a good record of dealing with them.

[Mothersruin]

HarryW said:

skyrover said:

Name one Islamic country that has not ended up a backward, authoritarian sthole or is well on the way to becoming one. Blaming others (namely the West or Israel) for one's own problems is a middle eastern pastime.

Oman

Oman is awesome.

Still parts in the Stone Age but so much nicer thanything around it.

Edited by Mothersruin on Sunday 21st July 09:55

[NRS]

egor110 said:

NRS said:

Countdown said:

NRS said:

I'm a little puzzled how a 20-something year old can comment on the difference in life between the current lot, and someone overthrown 40 years ago? From what I understand the government there are worse, but the people are far more western in outlook etc than many of the "good guys" we're supporting (at least currently).

Under the Shah the top 5 or 10% would have had a great lifestyle (similar to Assad's cronies at the moment). When they got booted out of Iran they would have been quite bitter, and their children would have been taught that.

I guessed that - but that isn't really a position to comment on if life was better or not - just that you've been told something by people. However at certain points under the Shah there was some big economic growth too. So it could well have been better. Just the person in question was born around 20 years after!

Of course it is .

If that's her life experience then it's valid .

So you'd be ok with me commenting on what life was like under the miners strikes? (Hint, I was born late 1980's)...?