Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! Vol 3
Discussion
Cupramax said:
Not if you’ve been told to do something and either defiantly or ignorantly failed to do so. I think these people need to step into the world others exist in, perhaps I’m a bit hardened to it working in manufacturing situations but pleasantries on failure are few and far between.
So bullying is fine if it’s used as a tool to get things done?Or shouting, swearing and belittling people isn’t bullying if someone is refusing to do something? What else is acceptable, maybe physical violence? Where exactly do you draw the line of acceptability in workplace management?
Edited by markyb_lcy on Friday 6th March 00:11
markyb_lcy said:
Ridgemont said:
markyb_lcy said:
What about the (accusations of) shouting, swearing and belittling? If proved, would those be bullying in your eyes?
As I indicated on the Priti thread in that case Gordon Brown would have had to resign in short order in order to protect his advisers as well as his stationery draw...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/hypoc...
Priti - or 'Pretty' f useless ex Head of Home Office?
Priti everytime!
Memories eh? Soon forgotten.
https://londondailyreport.com/sir-philip-rutnam-st...
Priti everytime!
Memories eh? Soon forgotten.
https://londondailyreport.com/sir-philip-rutnam-st...
Ridgemont said:
Whom exactly are you accusing of being a hypocrite? Me?I specifically asked you a question on a current issue on which you just commented. You deflected by bringing up an unrelated, historical matter and in doing so never answered the question. Should we hold all future standards by past ones? How does society make progress if so?
markyb_lcy said:
Cupramax said:
Not if you’ve been told to do something and either defiantly or ignorantly failed to do so. I think these people need to step into the world others exist in, perhaps I’m a bit hardened to it working in manufacturing situations but pleasantries on failure are few and far between.
So bullying is fine if it’s used as a tool to get things done?
king most certainly is.And could easily be misconstrued as bullying by some.
markyb_lcy said:
Ridgemont said:
Whom exactly are you accusing of being a hypocrite? Me?I specifically asked you a question on a current issue on which you just commented. You deflected by bringing up an unrelated, historical matter and in doing so never answered the question. Should we hold all future standards by past ones? How does society make progress if so?
Relax it isn’t personal.
Ridgemont said:
I’m accusing a Labour Party of deliberately colluding with angry civil servants in order to do a political hit job by smear and innuendo, while consistently behaving in an abhorrent way not only in the dim and distant past of 10 years ago but also in more recent times.
Relax it isn’t personal.
Fair enough, I’ll call off the attack dogs Relax it isn’t personal.
Where are you getting the idea that Labour are colluding with any of the 3 civil servants that have made accusations against PP? I’m not seeing any evidence of that and yours is the first suggestion of it I’ve seen.
Of course “the other side” always tries to make gains when something like this happens. That’s politics. The Conservative party would do the same if it was a Labour (shadow) minister / MP. To say they’re colluding though goes a step further and I just wonder where you’re getting that from?
gooner1 said:
markyb_lcy said:
Cupramax said:
Not if you’ve been told to do something and either defiantly or ignorantly failed to do so. I think these people need to step into the world others exist in, perhaps I’m a bit hardened to it working in manufacturing situations but pleasantries on failure are few and far between.
So bullying is fine if it’s used as a tool to get things done?king most certainly is.And could easily be misconstrued as bullying by some.
kings are warranted it's his job to deliver them.hidetheelephants said:
gooner1 said:
markyb_lcy said:
Cupramax said:
Not if you’ve been told to do something and either defiantly or ignorantly failed to do so. I think these people need to step into the world others exist in, perhaps I’m a bit hardened to it working in manufacturing situations but pleasantries on failure are few and far between.
So bullying is fine if it’s used as a tool to get things done?king most certainly is.And could easily be misconstrued as bullying by some.
kings are warranted it's his job to deliver them.
markyb_lcy said:
Ridgemont said:
I’m accusing a Labour Party of deliberately colluding with angry civil servants in order to do a political hit job by smear and innuendo, while consistently behaving in an abhorrent way not only in the dim and distant past of 10 years ago but also in more recent times.
Relax it isn’t personal.
Fair enough, I’ll call off the attack dogs Relax it isn’t personal.
Where are you getting the idea that Labour are colluding with any of the 3 civil servants that have made accusations against PP? I’m not seeing any evidence of that and yours is the first suggestion of it I’ve seen.
Of course “the other side” always tries to make gains when something like this happens. That’s politics. The Conservative party would do the same if it was a Labour (shadow) minister / MP. To say they’re colluding though goes a step further and I just wonder where you’re getting that from?
It’s behind the paywall but the short of it is that civil servants approached Corbyn’s office and they started building a media schedule around it.
Frankly alarm bells started ringing for me on Sunday when Rutnam did his bombshell at an unscheduled press conference. That’s news management done by someone: the civil service wouldn’t have coordinated that.
Something stinks to high about this whole thing.
Ridgemont said:
markyb_lcy said:
Ridgemont said:
I’m accusing a Labour Party of deliberately colluding with angry civil servants in order to do a political hit job by smear and innuendo, while consistently behaving in an abhorrent way not only in the dim and distant past of 10 years ago but also in more recent times.
Relax it isn’t personal.
Fair enough, I’ll call off the attack dogs Relax it isn’t personal.
Where are you getting the idea that Labour are colluding with any of the 3 civil servants that have made accusations against PP? I’m not seeing any evidence of that and yours is the first suggestion of it I’ve seen.
Of course “the other side” always tries to make gains when something like this happens. That’s politics. The Conservative party would do the same if it was a Labour (shadow) minister / MP. To say they’re colluding though goes a step further and I just wonder where you’re getting that from?
It’s behind the paywall but the short of it is that civil servants approached Corbyn’s office and they started building a media schedule around it.
Frankly alarm bells started ringing for me on Sunday when Rutnam did his bombshell at an unscheduled press conference. That’s news management done by someone: the civil service wouldn’t have coordinated that.
Something stinks to high about this whole thing.
We don’t have the full story, that we can agree on. And sure, there was a degree of managing that press conference, although I’m not convinced that had Labour Party involvement. The papers want to maximise the impact of the story so it certainly helps to have him drop it in an overly dramatic way. Allow me time to research this new (to me) angle somewhat.
markyb_lcy said:
I will check this out, although of course I won’t be paying for internet based news
We don’t have the full story, that we can agree on. And sure, there was a degree of managing that press conference, although I’m not convinced that had Labour Party involvement. The papers want to maximise the impact of the story so it certainly helps to have him drop it in an overly dramatic way. Allow me time to research this new (to me) angle somewhat.
Good luck sleuthingWe don’t have the full story, that we can agree on. And sure, there was a degree of managing that press conference, although I’m not convinced that had Labour Party involvement. The papers want to maximise the impact of the story so it certainly helps to have him drop it in an overly dramatic way. Allow me time to research this new (to me) angle somewhat.
bomb said:
buckline said:
Hancock doing a much better job than Hunt would have done in handling this questioning.
I agree. He is level headed, calm and knowledgeable. Presents very well.He insisted they were following 'science' to beat the virus but it transpired that no temp checks were being carried out at Heathrow because it gives false positives.
Here's a bit of science - it would also detect 'true' positives, so as it stands they're slipping into the country undetected. Truth be known they simply haven't got the resources to check, pull, test every over-temp passenger that walks through Heathrow arrivals every day.
Secondly, it was a keep calm and carry on attitude with regards to attending things like football matches because as it's in the open air you'd 'only' be infecting those in your immediate vicinity.
WTF, that'd be 6 lucky people that'd go home to unknowingly infect the rest of their family. And because they wouldn't know they'd got it because of the incubation period, infect their work colleagues too. And so on and so forth.
Highly irresponsible.
Oilchange said:
Lets be honest, any briefings and press conferences that attack the Tory leadership is going to have Labours fingerprints all over it, you’d have to be naive to think otherwise. Likewise if it were the reverse I think.
The civil service is supposed to be apolitical. It’s its primary point.Cobnapint said:
bomb said:
buckline said:
Hancock doing a much better job than Hunt would have done in handling this questioning.
I agree. He is level headed, calm and knowledgeable. Presents very well.He insisted they were following 'science' to beat the virus but it transpired that no temp checks were being carried out at Heathrow because it gives false positives.
Here's a bit of science - it would also detect 'true' positives, so as it stands they're slipping into the country undetected. Truth be known they simply haven't got the resources to check, pull, test every over-temp passenger that walks through Heathrow arrivals every day.
Secondly, it was a keep calm and carry on attitude with regards to attending things like football matches because as it's in the open air you'd 'only' be infecting those in your immediate vicinity.
WTF, that'd be 6 lucky people that'd go home to unknowingly infect the rest of their family. And because they wouldn't know they'd got it because of the incubation period, infect their work colleagues too. And so on and so forth.
Highly irresponsible.
Ridgemont said:
Oilchange said:
Lets be honest, any briefings and press conferences that attack the Tory leadership is going to have Labours fingerprints all over it, you’d have to be naive to think otherwise. Likewise if it were the reverse I think.
The civil service is supposed to be apolitical. It’s its primary point.Edited by markyb_lcy on Friday 6th March 09:08
Bonefish Blues said:
TPSA7514 said:
i started to watch but when Layla is on I get urges which affect my concentration.
So I watched the end of Goldfinger instead
Just make sure there's nothing you can throw at the screen within easy reach.So I watched the end of Goldfinger instead
Probably end up leader soon though. Lib Dems used to have some decent politicians but they are a poor shadow of that now.
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