Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! Vol 3
Discussion
Tuna said:
markyb_lcy said:
What, you mean like the Tory supporters that have been frothing all day?
If your whole schtick is that you are lead by a higher moral purpose, and the other guys are corrupt and ruthless, it is rather noticeable if that commentary suddenly goes quiet.What exactly do you expect? We’ve had apologies, a suspension of the whip, and people accepting there was a problem and accepting the findings and recommendations of the report.
Get on your roof and scream if it makes you feel better. Go out into your community and strong arm members of the public into joining in.
See what it achieves. Nothing. Hot air.
What you’re basically butt-hurt about is that it’s not having as much of a negative effect on your political opponents as you’d hoped. I find that a bit sad.
Is it still virtue signalling when those on the right do this?
markyb_lcy said:
Welshbeef said:
The clear labour voters in the zooms kind of discarded it /oh it’s history it’s changed already job done.
Now imagine if it was Tory party - labour voters would be screaming and frothing at the mouth (forever more)
What, you mean like the Tory supporters that have been frothing all day?Now imagine if it was Tory party - labour voters would be screaming and frothing at the mouth (forever more)
Frothing is just noise. It doesn’t achieve anything. That said, if you want to froth, froth, but don’t whinge because people who you think should froth aren’t doing. That’s dumb.
Oh no look the anti racist party is a racist party just like BNP. But don’t worry it’s already sorted never need mention it again.
Oh torys gave millionaires the tax break 50% to 45% - oh yes the tax labour had only been in position for the last month of the parliament - but don’t forget you gave the poorest a tax rise from 10% to 20% that’s a nice progressive tax policy.
Oh look Blair gave away our EU rebate in the total belief EU would negotiate hahaha thanks for that tax rise labour.
Oh look Brown told the gold market & the whole media we U.K. were selling out gold. Oh s
t market price ranked on that as massive supply entered with advance notice costing us tax payers massive tax increases to fund the loss. The list is endless but labour supporters oddly forget about all that and instead focus on the torys. Strange - if it’s a football game you’d criticise your own team where there are failures not criticise the other team who have beaten you.
Welshbeef said:
No what happens in times of trouble ie 1997-2008 running a huge deficit when we should have had a surplus then bang - oh it’s not labours fault people not having rides for years and years.... Um they already had received it the throttle back was to erode that over rate to realign.
Oh no look the anti racist party is a racist party just like BNP. But don’t worry it’s already sorted never need mention it again.
Oh torys gave millionaires the tax break 50% to 45% - oh yes the tax labour had only been in position for the last month of the parliament - but don’t forget you gave the poorest a tax rise from 10% to 20% that’s a nice progressive tax policy.
Oh look Blair gave away our EU rebate in the total belief EU would negotiate hahaha thanks for that tax rise labour.
Oh look Brown told the gold market & the whole media we U.K. were selling out gold. Oh st market price ranked on that as massive supply entered with advance notice costing us tax payers massive tax increases to fund the loss.
The list is endless but labour supporters oddly forget about all that and instead focus on the torys. Strange - if it’s a football game you’d criticise your own team where there are failures not criticise the other team who have beaten you.
Labour is not a “racist party”. Clearly there has been a problem with some antisemitism within the party. Firstly on the fringes, which because of inaction by the leadership at the time was able to associate itself with said leadership.Oh no look the anti racist party is a racist party just like BNP. But don’t worry it’s already sorted never need mention it again.
Oh torys gave millionaires the tax break 50% to 45% - oh yes the tax labour had only been in position for the last month of the parliament - but don’t forget you gave the poorest a tax rise from 10% to 20% that’s a nice progressive tax policy.
Oh look Blair gave away our EU rebate in the total belief EU would negotiate hahaha thanks for that tax rise labour.
Oh look Brown told the gold market & the whole media we U.K. were selling out gold. Oh s
t market price ranked on that as massive supply entered with advance notice costing us tax payers massive tax increases to fund the loss. The list is endless but labour supporters oddly forget about all that and instead focus on the torys. Strange - if it’s a football game you’d criticise your own team where there are failures not criticise the other team who have beaten you.
The conservatives are not a racist party either, despite the islamaphobia, and despite some members of the party (and other parties) themselves being racist.
As for the rest of your rant, I’m struggling to see what that has to do with the Labour Antisemitism scandal. You’ve basically proved exactly what I thought ... that your only interest in this is to give your political opponents a bloody nose. Well done you, what an admirable position to take.
markyb_lcy said:
Labour is not a “racist party”. Clearly there has been a problem with some antisemitism within the party. Firstly on the fringes, which because of inaction by the leadership at the time was able to associate itself with said leadership.
The conservatives are not a racist party either, despite the islamaphobia, and despite some members of the party (and other parties) themselves being racist.
As for the rest of your rant, I’m struggling to see what that has to do with the Labour Antisemitism scandal. You’ve basically proved exactly what I thought ... that your only interest in this is to give your political opponents a bloody nose. Well done you, what an admirable position to take.
Better hand your membership card in before you get kicked out.The conservatives are not a racist party either, despite the islamaphobia, and despite some members of the party (and other parties) themselves being racist.
As for the rest of your rant, I’m struggling to see what that has to do with the Labour Antisemitism scandal. You’ve basically proved exactly what I thought ... that your only interest in this is to give your political opponents a bloody nose. Well done you, what an admirable position to take.
Guardian said:
The debate is over. Under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, the Labour party became institutionally anti-Semitic
That is racist by the way in case you think anti-Semitism is 'not the same' as racism markyb_lcy said:
Labour is not a “racist party”. Clearly there has been a problem with some antisemitism within the party. Firstly on the fringes, which because of inaction by the leadership at the time was able to associate itself with said leadership.
Not going to comment on the bit I cut: there are without doubt racist tories (though Johnson, too clever by half, gets a bum rap on that one).The Quote above though is absolute balderdash.
‘Some within the party’?
What is your definition of racism?
1) Some gammon spouting anti immigrant nonsense?
Or
2) is it the adoption of policies and discourse which are anti Semitic?
If you tick both you may pat yourself on the back but I doubt you did.
Vanden Saab said:
markyb_lcy said:
Labour is not a “racist party”. Clearly there has been a problem with some antisemitism within the party. Firstly on the fringes, which because of inaction by the leadership at the time was able to associate itself with said leadership.
The conservatives are not a racist party either, despite the islamaphobia, and despite some members of the party (and other parties) themselves being racist.
As for the rest of your rant, I’m struggling to see what that has to do with the Labour Antisemitism scandal. You’ve basically proved exactly what I thought ... that your only interest in this is to give your political opponents a bloody nose. Well done you, what an admirable position to take.
Better hand your membership card in before you get kicked out.The conservatives are not a racist party either, despite the islamaphobia, and despite some members of the party (and other parties) themselves being racist.
As for the rest of your rant, I’m struggling to see what that has to do with the Labour Antisemitism scandal. You’ve basically proved exactly what I thought ... that your only interest in this is to give your political opponents a bloody nose. Well done you, what an admirable position to take.
Guardian said:
The debate is over. Under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, the Labour party became institutionally anti-Semitic
That is racist by the way in case you think anti-Semitism is 'not the same' as racism Ridgemont said:
markyb_lcy said:
Labour is not a “racist party”. Clearly there has been a problem with some antisemitism within the party. Firstly on the fringes, which because of inaction by the leadership at the time was able to associate itself with said leadership.
Not going to comment on the bit I cut: there are without doubt racist tories (though Johnson, too clever by half, gets a bum rap on that one).The Quote above though is absolute balderdash.
‘Some within the party’?
What is your definition of racism?
1) Some gammon spouting anti immigrant nonsense?
Or
2) is it the adoption of policies and discourse which are anti Semitic?
If you tick both you may pat yourself on the back but I doubt you did.
Being against immigration or wanting control of immigration does not a racist make. There are both anti-immigration proponents and racists in both major parties. As members, and far more likely as voters.
Having some members (or voters) of a political party that are themselves racist, does not a racist party make.
By the way, while we are here, maybe you can point out the policies (previous or current leadership) of the Labour Party that you assert to be antisemitic policies.
markyb_lcy said:
Ridgemont said:
markyb_lcy said:
Labour is not a “racist party”. Clearly there has been a problem with some antisemitism within the party. Firstly on the fringes, which because of inaction by the leadership at the time was able to associate itself with said leadership.
Not going to comment on the bit I cut: there are without doubt racist tories (though Johnson, too clever by half, gets a bum rap on that one).The Quote above though is absolute balderdash.
‘Some within the party’?
What is your definition of racism?
1) Some gammon spouting anti immigrant nonsense?
Or
2) is it the adoption of policies and discourse which are anti Semitic?
If you tick both you may pat yourself on the back but I doubt you did.
Being against immigration or wanting control of immigration does not a racist make. There are both anti-immigration proponents and racists in both major parties. As members, and far more likely as voters.
Having some members (or voters) of a a political party that are themselves racist, does not a racist party make.
By the way, while we are here, maybe you can point out the policies (previous or current leadership) of the Labour Party that you assert to be antisemitic policies.
Ridgemont said:
markyb_lcy said:
Ridgemont said:
markyb_lcy said:
Labour is not a “racist party”. Clearly there has been a problem with some antisemitism within the party. Firstly on the fringes, which because of inaction by the leadership at the time was able to associate itself with said leadership.
Not going to comment on the bit I cut: there are without doubt racist tories (though Johnson, too clever by half, gets a bum rap on that one).The Quote above though is absolute balderdash.
‘Some within the party’?
What is your definition of racism?
1) Some gammon spouting anti immigrant nonsense?
Or
2) is it the adoption of policies and discourse which are anti Semitic?
If you tick both you may pat yourself on the back but I doubt you did.
Being against immigration or wanting control of immigration does not a racist make. There are both anti-immigration proponents and racists in both major parties. As members, and far more likely as voters.
Having some members (or voters) of a a political party that are themselves racist, does not a racist party make.
By the way, while we are here, maybe you can point out the policies (previous or current leadership) of the Labour Party that you assert to be antisemitic policies.
king core to the clusterfk that Corbyn led labour found themselves in.By the way... right.
markyb_lcy said:
Ridgemont said:
The policy to refuse to adopt the IHRA Definitions around antisemitism for a start.
That’s not a policy, it’s a decision. Perhaps a bad one, but in my opinion not necessarily a racist one in and of itself.You are free to believe otherwise, as is anybody else.
It’s a political stance. It’s one that the NEC endorsed.
That Corbyn reinforced?
That many candidates actually (amazingly) stood on.
It’s in NEC minutes.
It hilariously (unless I missed it) didn’t appear in the manifesto in 2019 but I go back to my opinion that that makes Corbyn an obsfucating nutwad garden Gnome.
But it was a ‘decision’ ‘policy’ or whatever that his breed of labour is currently and deservedly being nailed to cross on.
Jesus. ‘Policy’.
Ridgemont said:
markyb_lcy said:
Ridgemont said:
The policy to refuse to adopt the IHRA Definitions around antisemitism for a start.
That’s not a policy, it’s a decision. Perhaps a bad one, but in my opinion not necessarily a racist one in and of itself.You are free to believe otherwise, as is anybody else.
It’s a political stance. It’s one that the NEC endorsed.
That Corbyn reinforced?
That many candidates actually (amazingly) stood on.
It’s in NEC minutes.
It hilariously (unless I missed it) didn’t appear in the manifesto in 2019 but I go back to my opinion that that makes Corbyn an obsfucating nutwad garden Gnome.
But it was a ‘decision’ ‘policy’ or whatever that his breed of labour is currently and deservedly being nailed to cross on.
Jesus. ‘Policy’.
Further, to assert that the Labour Party is a “racist party” is a massive over-exaggeration and pure political opportunism.
I’m going to leave it at that.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Friday 30th October 01:03
I will just say that the comments tonight by the few who still bother have been so much better, politer and respectful of each other than recent weeks
Well done
It is pretty vile to see posters tearing each other apart in their certainty that they are cleverer, better than their opponent
Well done
It is pretty vile to see posters tearing each other apart in their certainty that they are cleverer, better than their opponent
anonymoususer said:
I will just say that the comments tonight by the few who still bother have been so much better, politer and respectful of each other than recent weeks
Well done
It is pretty vile to see posters tearing each other apart in their certainty that they are cleverer, better than their opponent
Is that you Dave? Well done
It is pretty vile to see posters tearing each other apart in their certainty that they are cleverer, better than their opponent
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markyb_lcy said:
Tuna said:
markyb_lcy said:
What, you mean like the Tory supporters that have been frothing all day?
If your whole schtick is that you are lead by a higher moral purpose, and the other guys are corrupt and ruthless, it is rather noticeable if that commentary suddenly goes quiet.
anonymoususer said:
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Meanwhile over on the Drama Channel Spooks is showing the 2nd episode of series 5 in which the team try to stop a far right faction from taking over the UK government its the one that introduces Hermione Norris as Ros Myers and joll;y good it is too
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I keep forgetting QT is on these days, thankfully.Meanwhile over on the Drama Channel Spooks is showing the 2nd episode of series 5 in which the team try to stop a far right faction from taking over the UK government its the one that introduces Hermione Norris as Ros Myers and joll;y good it is too
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I watched Sicario again as it's far more upbeat.
QT's sunk without trace IMO. Fiona Bruce was a big mistake. She put the final nail in the coffin of the original format and the Covid aware one is worse. BBC should just shoot it in the head.
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