Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! Vol 3
Discussion
Tony427 said:
Let us just think about that for a while. 65% of labour constituences voted leave, lets say 100 MP's. They will be officially toast which is why 24 desperate ones have written to Corbyn telling him exactly that. The others are too terrified of the Momentum thought police.
What will happen if labour lose 100 plus seats? It will match their defeat in the Euro elections.
Oh and there's the Anti Semitism to contend with.
So a party thats lost its core support, split from top to bottom with rampant de-selections and rampant anti-semitism, coupled with a power grab by its deputy leader, led by someone with the charisma and intelligence of........ , sorry cant think of anything as useless and unpopular as Corbyn/ Steptoe,..... and with zero chance of being elected, is less likely to fail than a self centered, self interested, unprincipled, well funded party that somehow has governed relatively uninterrupted for the last 100 years.
As I have said before in these hallowed pages, a Conservative/ Brexit Party arrangement for the next election, if Brexit is not delivered, will destroy Labour. If Brexit is delivered by the conservatives prior to the next election with Labour pushing for Remain ticket/ second referendum prior to the election Labour will lose seats wholesale. To stop this Labour cannot campaign for a Remain position, and yet this is exactly what its London centric supporters/ voters want.
Either way Labour is now buggared.
All Boris has to do is to wait for Labour to commit to a Remain position then go for an election.
And Tom Watson will be in position to pick up the pieces afterwards for another try a few years later. And so the game goes on.
Cheers,
Tony
That sounds like an N,P&E wishlist but I doubt very much if Labour will be 'toast'.What will happen if labour lose 100 plus seats? It will match their defeat in the Euro elections.
Oh and there's the Anti Semitism to contend with.
So a party thats lost its core support, split from top to bottom with rampant de-selections and rampant anti-semitism, coupled with a power grab by its deputy leader, led by someone with the charisma and intelligence of........ , sorry cant think of anything as useless and unpopular as Corbyn/ Steptoe,..... and with zero chance of being elected, is less likely to fail than a self centered, self interested, unprincipled, well funded party that somehow has governed relatively uninterrupted for the last 100 years.
As I have said before in these hallowed pages, a Conservative/ Brexit Party arrangement for the next election, if Brexit is not delivered, will destroy Labour. If Brexit is delivered by the conservatives prior to the next election with Labour pushing for Remain ticket/ second referendum prior to the election Labour will lose seats wholesale. To stop this Labour cannot campaign for a Remain position, and yet this is exactly what its London centric supporters/ voters want.
Either way Labour is now buggared.
All Boris has to do is to wait for Labour to commit to a Remain position then go for an election.
And Tom Watson will be in position to pick up the pieces afterwards for another try a few years later. And so the game goes on.
Cheers,
Tony
I seem to remember much the same predictions on here when Corbyn was made leader. Loads of dancing in aisles (indeed, people were bragging about joining Labour just to vote him in) and shouts of 'unelectable for generations' and now the self-same people are cacking themselves that there is a possibility he could be PM.
Nothing is certain in politics, but unless there is a seismic shift neither of the big two are going anywhere.
Coincidentally, if you're a Tory voter I'd be worried about what Boris Johnson could do to your party. I voted Conservative at the last election but won't again if he's PM and makes the shambles of it that I think he will.
I suspect I won't be the only one. I think he's the Tory Corbyn tbh.
Edited by BigMon on Friday 28th June 11:31
Edited by BigMon on Friday 28th June 11:32
gizlaroc said:
ash73 said:
Tory/TBP alliance won't happen because no-deal is fantasy. And Brexit can't be "delivered" before the next election; unless you naively define Brexit as merely the withdrawal process. The deal will be unchanged, and Labour have an opportunity to expose this Hobson's choice and offer a sensible alternative. Even if they don't, if (when?) the FTA negotiation goes badly people will flock to a Labour party led by someone like Keir Starmer promising to return us to normality, imo.
Mort7 said:
Thanks for the heads-up. We may have a political activist in our midst. That Jeremy Corbyn appears to have an IQ of 73 might account for the second part of the username........
That is me photoshopping Ash73's comment into her picture. Ash73 may have some wacky views, but he is OK and not a complete and utter c**t like she is.
Mort7 said:
gizlaroc said:
ash73 said:
Tory/TBP alliance won't happen because no-deal is fantasy. And Brexit can't be "delivered" before the next election; unless you naively define Brexit as merely the withdrawal process. The deal will be unchanged, and Labour have an opportunity to expose this Hobson's choice and offer a sensible alternative. Even if they don't, if (when?) the FTA negotiation goes badly people will flock to a Labour party led by someone like Keir Starmer promising to return us to normality, imo.
More importantly, Grace Blakey is a much better looking lefty.
768 said:
Mort7 said:
gizlaroc said:
ash73 said:
Tory/TBP alliance won't happen because no-deal is fantasy. And Brexit can't be "delivered" before the next election; unless you naively define Brexit as merely the withdrawal process. The deal will be unchanged, and Labour have an opportunity to expose this Hobson's choice and offer a sensible alternative. Even if they don't, if (when?) the FTA negotiation goes badly people will flock to a Labour party led by someone like Keir Starmer promising to return us to normality, imo.
More importantly, Grace Blakey is a much better looking lefty.
Here it is the final Question Time as the summer break takes hold. The BBC have assembled a panel of people the like of which you re unlikely to have heard of bar one. The budget seems to have run out
They are
Vicky Ford – Conservative
Louise Haigh – Labour
Sian Berry – Green
Tom Harwood – Guido Fawkes reporter
And… Martin “I can save you £££££’s Lewis
Possibly not ot since the "Bogus Deep Purple" * line up concerts from 1980 has such a bunch looked so desperate
They are
Vicky Ford – Conservative
Louise Haigh – Labour
Sian Berry – Green
Tom Harwood – Guido Fawkes reporter
And… Martin “I can save you £££££’s Lewis
Possibly not ot since the "Bogus Deep Purple" * line up concerts from 1980 has such a bunch looked so desperate
- Bogus Deep Purple:
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 4th July 11:53
Could be an interesting one, with no senior politicians or known shouty types, we have what looks like 5 panelists with no axes to grind, more likely to say what they think and not be bound by hidden agendas or party political spin.
The flipside is having a bunch of unseasoned panelists has the potential for some complete howlers. I'm definitely in for this one.
The flipside is having a bunch of unseasoned panelists has the potential for some complete howlers. I'm definitely in for this one.
Wiccan of Darkness said:
Could be an interesting one, with no senior politicians or known shouty types, we have what looks like 5 panelists with no axes to grind, more likely to say what they think and not be bound by hidden agendas or party political spin.
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You've evidently never seen Berry in full flight....
She's been on TW and Politics Live....
Murph7355 said:
Wiccan of Darkness said:
Could be an interesting one, with no senior politicians or known shouty types, we have what looks like 5 panelists with no axes to grind, more likely to say what they think and not be bound by hidden agendas or party political spin.
...
You've evidently never seen Berry in full flight....
She's been on TW and Politics Live....
Is she one of those "modern" politicians who stare blankly in to the ether, trying to shout down another modern politician doing the same, trying to find something to twist out of context and then jump on it like some rabid terrier with lashings of faux outrage and armed with a weaponised level of self righteousness, persists in shouting someone in to silence but not understanding that doesn't necessarily silence someone in to agreement, akin to the proverbial internet argument that can only be won when one person scores a victory by highlighting a spelling or grammatical error of another, without realising the hollow victory that entails?
That sort?
If so, in the new world order of Wiccy the Wit she'd be first in line for immediate maceration in to fish food. Britain needs its cod, you know...
Either way, I get to discover the joys of this person in 6 minutes time...
<edit after 12 minutes> Is that Wilma Flintstone on the panel?
I must have missed something, why are we talking about foxhunting again? The original bill was driven by labours class envy, based on bad science, terribly written, poorly executed and impossible to police - the whole thing needs to be ripped up and rewritten as a piece of solid legislation. During the original MIke Foster bill, 3 other key pieces of legislation were shelved, one of which was on disabled access rights, which still hasn't been implemented.
Edited by Wiccan of Darkness on Thursday 4th July 22:47
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