45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)
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Distressing image in this article. This is the result from the U.S. “metering” policy which has dramatically reduced the number of migrants who are allowed to request asylum, down from dozens per day previously to sometimes just a handful at some ports of entry.
The man and his 23-month-old daughter lay face down in shallow water along the bank of the Rio Grande, his black shirt hiked up to his chest with the girl tucked inside. Her arm was draped around his neck suggesting she clung to him in her final moments.
The searing photograph of the sad discovery of their bodies on Monday, captured by journalist Julia Le Duc and published by Mexican newspaper La Jornada, highlights the perils faced by mostly Central American migrants fleeing violence and poverty and hoping for asylum in the United States.
According to Le Duc’s reporting for La Jornada, Óscar Alberto Martínez Ramírez, frustrated because the family from El Salvador was unable to present themselves to U.S. authorities and request asylum, swam across the river on Sunday with his daughter, Valeria.
He set her on the U.S. bank of the river and started back for his wife, Tania Vanessa Ávalos, but seeing him move away the girl threw herself into the waters. Martínez returned and was able to grab Valeria, but the current swept them both away.
https://www.apnews.com/2f8422c820104d6eaad9b73d939...
The man and his 23-month-old daughter lay face down in shallow water along the bank of the Rio Grande, his black shirt hiked up to his chest with the girl tucked inside. Her arm was draped around his neck suggesting she clung to him in her final moments.
The searing photograph of the sad discovery of their bodies on Monday, captured by journalist Julia Le Duc and published by Mexican newspaper La Jornada, highlights the perils faced by mostly Central American migrants fleeing violence and poverty and hoping for asylum in the United States.
According to Le Duc’s reporting for La Jornada, Óscar Alberto Martínez Ramírez, frustrated because the family from El Salvador was unable to present themselves to U.S. authorities and request asylum, swam across the river on Sunday with his daughter, Valeria.
He set her on the U.S. bank of the river and started back for his wife, Tania Vanessa Ávalos, but seeing him move away the girl threw herself into the waters. Martínez returned and was able to grab Valeria, but the current swept them both away.
https://www.apnews.com/2f8422c820104d6eaad9b73d939...
Byker28i said:
Distressing image in this article. This is the result from the U.S. “metering” policy which has dramatically reduced the number of migrants who are allowed to request asylum, down from dozens per day previously to sometimes just a handful at some ports of entry....
Trump aside, I guess there are two views on this sort of tragedy. 1, it's the nation's "fault" for not allowing people in.
2, it's the individual's "fault" for trying to get in somewhere through illegal channels.
Trump's State Department Chief of Protocol is resigning due to an IG investigation looking into "accusations of intimidating staff and carrying a whip in the office"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-25...
A State Department official in charge of diplomatic protocol won’t be attending the G-20 summit in Japan this week amid a potential probe into him toting a whip around the office.
Chief of Protocol Sean Lawler has been “suspended indefinitely” pending the conclusion of an investigation and now plans on resigning from his post, according to Bloomberg and NBC News.
A source told Bloomberg that Lawler faces a potential inspector general investigation into his behavior, which includes “intimidating staff and carrying a whip in the office.” NBC reports that a number of personnel in Lawler’s office had “resigned in protest” due to his “management and behavior.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-lawler-trump-pr...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-25...
A State Department official in charge of diplomatic protocol won’t be attending the G-20 summit in Japan this week amid a potential probe into him toting a whip around the office.
Chief of Protocol Sean Lawler has been “suspended indefinitely” pending the conclusion of an investigation and now plans on resigning from his post, according to Bloomberg and NBC News.
A source told Bloomberg that Lawler faces a potential inspector general investigation into his behavior, which includes “intimidating staff and carrying a whip in the office.” NBC reports that a number of personnel in Lawler’s office had “resigned in protest” due to his “management and behavior.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-lawler-trump-pr...
An interesting story on how google results are being manipulated, this time to benefit democratic candidates.
an anonymous U.S.-based contractor paid at least 3,800 workers in countries around the world through the crowdsourcing firm Microworkers to manipulate what stories would come up when people searched for the PAC in Google, according to public job listings on Microworkers reviewed by HuffPost. The contractor paid each of the workers 20 cents to click on stories and sites that portrayed the PAC positively, bumping those stories up in Google at the expense of critical coverage.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/end-citizen...
an anonymous U.S.-based contractor paid at least 3,800 workers in countries around the world through the crowdsourcing firm Microworkers to manipulate what stories would come up when people searched for the PAC in Google, according to public job listings on Microworkers reviewed by HuffPost. The contractor paid each of the workers 20 cents to click on stories and sites that portrayed the PAC positively, bumping those stories up in Google at the expense of critical coverage.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/end-citizen...
Humble Pi said:
Ted Lieu again 
Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
Yep, @realDonaldTrump has figured out that Bill Barr of @TheJusticeDept misrepresented the Mueller report to him and the American public. That's why @POTUS is upset the American people will hear directly from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
- MuellerTime
Speaking of Barr, he was busy closing down what investigations he could.
Attorney General Bill Barr killed seven different lines of investigations started by special counsel Robert Mueller just ten days after he submitted his report.
CNN’s Katelyn Polantz had filed a request to unseal documents related to the special counsel’s investigation and on Monday the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia agreed.
Chief Judge Beryl A Howell ordered the release of multiple documents, including Attachment B, which listed information on applications for court orders requested by Mueller.
The 65-page document shows seven cases that were closed on April Fools Day — only ten days after Mueller submitted his report.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/ag-bill-barr-kill...
Attorney General Bill Barr killed seven different lines of investigations started by special counsel Robert Mueller just ten days after he submitted his report.
CNN’s Katelyn Polantz had filed a request to unseal documents related to the special counsel’s investigation and on Monday the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia agreed.
Chief Judge Beryl A Howell ordered the release of multiple documents, including Attachment B, which listed information on applications for court orders requested by Mueller.
The 65-page document shows seven cases that were closed on April Fools Day — only ten days after Mueller submitted his report.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/ag-bill-barr-kill...
Roofless Toothless said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4875495...
I see the President has denied responsibility for this sexual assault, foremost on the grounds that the woman was "not my type."
Presumably, this leaves the field wide open for women who are his type.
How does he not see that he shouldn't say stuff like this? Has he no respect for his wife?
he's such a charmer:I see the President has denied responsibility for this sexual assault, foremost on the grounds that the woman was "not my type."
Presumably, this leaves the field wide open for women who are his type.
How does he not see that he shouldn't say stuff like this? Has he no respect for his wife?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive...
Murph7355 said:
Trump aside, I guess there are two views on this sort of tragedy.
1, it's the nation's "fault" for not allowing people in.
2, it's the individual's "fault" for trying to get in somewhere through illegal channels.
Salient points, and just to peek over the fence, you could also imagine how the situation could be used purely for cynical political aims rather than genuine concerns about the people involved that's proportional to the other problems the country may face with its own citizenry. .1, it's the nation's "fault" for not allowing people in.
2, it's the individual's "fault" for trying to get in somewhere through illegal channels.
I think it's a situation that has highlighted that the US just haven't managed the situation very well - you can't have a porous border that tacitly serves a cheap labour purpose and then treat people like s
t when they inevitably come through it when it becomes a political hot potato[e?]. You also have to weigh up your 'values' in respect to what you think you should do with economic, political and undesirable refugees - bear in mind you won't know the difference, unless there is something obvious, and then only after triaging them [asylum/migrant process]. During that process I think it's incumbent that you treat those people in at least a minimal humanitarian way - after all, America is now Great Again with a roaring economy, so denying basic human conditions inevitably leads to justified complaints that it's either extremely poorly managed or deliberately inhumane. Build a wall or build better reception centres, just make your mind up.
On the 'concentration camp' issue, I note above a 'dictionary' approach to it, I think this neglects that if you asked 100 people in the street what they perceive as a 'concentration camp' they would think of one thing...
On Twitter this morning I saw someone has calculated that the cost of keeping the children in the detention centres works out to $775 per child, per night. A room at Trump International costs $425 per night. Cheaper hotels are available of course.
But that $775, as we have seen and heard, doesn't even get them a bed, or washing facilities, clothes, toothpaste and brushes or even necessarily comfortable blankets.
Relatedly, I also see that workers in the furniture making company Wayfair discovered that some of the stuff they were making was being sold directly too the government for use at these camps. They petitioned the CEO to stop this practice, he said "No" and so today the workers are going on a walk out. 0
But that $775, as we have seen and heard, doesn't even get them a bed, or washing facilities, clothes, toothpaste and brushes or even necessarily comfortable blankets.
Relatedly, I also see that workers in the furniture making company Wayfair discovered that some of the stuff they were making was being sold directly too the government for use at these camps. They petitioned the CEO to stop this practice, he said "No" and so today the workers are going on a walk out. 0
The house oversight committee is voting today on whether to subpoena Conway over her Hatch act violations. meanwhile...,
House Republicans eager to defend White House counselor Kellyanne Conway are preparing to challenge a Trump appointee who has publicly stood up to the president — even though he’s one of their own.
Henry Kerner, head of the Office of Special Counsel, is scheduled to testify Wednesday about his report that Conway blatantly violated the Hatch Act, which bars federal workers from engaging in politics on the job, by “disparaging Democratic presidential candidates while speaking in her official capacity during television interviews and on social media.”
He recommended that President Trump fire her.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-repu...
House Republicans eager to defend White House counselor Kellyanne Conway are preparing to challenge a Trump appointee who has publicly stood up to the president — even though he’s one of their own.
Henry Kerner, head of the Office of Special Counsel, is scheduled to testify Wednesday about his report that Conway blatantly violated the Hatch Act, which bars federal workers from engaging in politics on the job, by “disparaging Democratic presidential candidates while speaking in her official capacity during television interviews and on social media.”
He recommended that President Trump fire her.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-repu...
andy_s said:
Salient points, and just to peek over the fence, you could also imagine how the situation could be used purely for cynical political aims rather than genuine concerns about the people involved that's proportional to the other problems the country may face with its own citizenry. .
I think it's a situation that has highlighted that the US just haven't managed the situation very well - you can't have a porous border that tacitly serves a cheap labour purpose and then treat people like st when they inevitably come through it when it becomes a political hot potato[e?].
You also have to weigh up your 'values' in respect to what you think you should do with economic, political and undesirable refugees - bear in mind you won't know the difference, unless there is something obvious, and then only after triaging them [asylum/migrant process]. During that process I think it's incumbent that you treat those people in at least a minimal humanitarian way - after all, America is now Great Again with a roaring economy, so denying basic human conditions inevitably leads to justified complaints that it's either extremely poorly managed or deliberately inhumane. Build a wall or build better reception centres, just make your mind up.
On the 'concentration camp' issue, I note above a 'dictionary' approach to it, I think this neglects that if you asked 100 people in the street what they perceive as a 'concentration camp' they would think of one thing...
Only a flick read but AIUI they went through an official border point and were turned away, so then decided to try an alternative (?).I think it's a situation that has highlighted that the US just haven't managed the situation very well - you can't have a porous border that tacitly serves a cheap labour purpose and then treat people like s
t when they inevitably come through it when it becomes a political hot potato[e?]. You also have to weigh up your 'values' in respect to what you think you should do with economic, political and undesirable refugees - bear in mind you won't know the difference, unless there is something obvious, and then only after triaging them [asylum/migrant process]. During that process I think it's incumbent that you treat those people in at least a minimal humanitarian way - after all, America is now Great Again with a roaring economy, so denying basic human conditions inevitably leads to justified complaints that it's either extremely poorly managed or deliberately inhumane. Build a wall or build better reception centres, just make your mind up.
On the 'concentration camp' issue, I note above a 'dictionary' approach to it, I think this neglects that if you asked 100 people in the street what they perceive as a 'concentration camp' they would think of one thing...
No border can be 100% policed and no wall is inscaleable.
Pictures like this, and emotive terms (“catastrophe", "concentration camp", "relative poverty" - often with "relative" dropped) are becoming the weapon of choice it seems. As you note, care for the individuals is secondary, it feels. It's point scoring.
Btw, Byker28i - are you Hilary Clinton?
Trump giving another interview to Fox News today.
He sounds like a confused old man ranting down the phone. Everything is about him, how great he is, his approval ratings are so high.
How the fk people vote for him I never know.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/114385685931881...
He sounds like a confused old man ranting down the phone. Everything is about him, how great he is, his approval ratings are so high.
How the f
k people vote for him I never know. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/114385685931881...
Challo said:
Trump giving another interview to Fox News today.
He sounds like a confused old man ranting down the phone. Everything is about him, how great he is, his approval ratings are so high.
How the fk people vote for him I never know.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/114385685931881...
He offers simple solutions to complex problems; people like that. [UK *ahem*].He sounds like a confused old man ranting down the phone. Everything is about him, how great he is, his approval ratings are so high.
How the f
k people vote for him I never know. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/114385685931881...
Challo said:
Trump giving another interview to Fox News today.
He sounds like a confused old man ranting down the phone. Everything is about him, how great he is, his approval ratings are so high.
How the fk people vote for him I never know.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/114385685931881...
He makes it OK to be a bigot and an idiot, people who are stupid and bigoted like that.He sounds like a confused old man ranting down the phone. Everything is about him, how great he is, his approval ratings are so high.
How the f
k people vote for him I never know. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/114385685931881...
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