45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)

[Challo]

SHutchinson said:

Seventy said:

Forgive me for the pointless quote, but each time I read this it blows my mind that this guy is the president of America.

Hahahaha.

The Press Secretary just confirmed 'human scum' is the right term to use.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/press-secretary-step...

[Eric Mc]

A (nominally) Republican President calling fellow Republicans "human scum" is bound to work well!

As I have said before, Trump's best attribute is making enemies out of those who should be his friends.

[Gameface]

Challo said:

The Press Secretary just confirmed 'human scum' is the right term to use.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/press-secretary-step...

Another one willing to commit career suicide.

[Byker28i]

Tom Ryan has announced he's pulling out the presidential race

https://mobile.twitter.com/TimRyan/status/11874058...

[Byker28i]

But her emails...

The National Archives and Records Administration has launched an investigation into Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross’ use of private email for official business, according to a letter made public this week.

The inquiry was triggered by an unflattering profile of Ross last month in The Washington Post, which cited government-related emails the watchdog group Democracy Forward received from Ross’ private account. The group obtained the messages through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/10/24/wilbu...

[Byker28i]

Here's video of @jimsciutto asking Peter Navarro if political investigations about the Bidens have come up during China trade talks, and Navarro declining to answer.
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/11873846775...

Ukraine was the tip of the iceberg?

[Byker28i]

As Pompeo says he won't answer impeachment inquiry questions in interview with Kansas papers because he "came here today to talk about workforce development ... in Kansas" which actually is not part of the State Department's mandate, so he's avoiding the questions also

https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/ar...

[NRS]

walm said:

NRS said:

Will Trump help? Probably not, but it’s a different message.

Yeah - fk the guy trying to bring in healthcare for the uninsured, let's vote for the billionaire who refuses to show us his taxes.
That'll "own the libs".

Perhaps I bought your argument in November 2016 when the "anti-establishment" vote had some sort of rationale.
But to remain a Trump supporter, while being on minimum wage and seeing:
- Tax breaks for the rich.
- Massive deficit escalation.
- Pay for play.
- Disastrous trade war making things more expensive for you (inflation is a hugely regressive tax).
- Corruption, corruption everywhere.
- Breakdown in basic democracy with precisely zero oversight.

Then either you are voting against your self-interest because you are a stubborn moron who can't accept you made a mistake...
OR you are one or more of all the other disgusting things Trump has proved himself to be:
- Racist.
- Misogynist.
- Liar.
- Narcissist.
- Nepotist.
- Swamp supporter.
- Corrupt.
- Selfish orange .

I partly agree, but it's completely ignoring a bunch of stuff.

- The tax cuts were not just for the rich, it was a cut for most people, as well as the rich. Whereas bailing out the banking system was almost exclusively for the rich, at the expensive of massive public debt.
- What statistics are showing the trade war has been bad for the US economy? GDP and GDP per capita are up, unemployment is super low.
- Who is inflation bad for? It's bad for people who have money savings/are owned money, as it reduces the amount of debt. Most/all poor people will likely have almost no savings, or more likely, large amounts of debt. Therefore it's not bad for them. It would be an issue if inflation is going faster than wage growth, as of now it seems to be about 0% real wage growth. However that's basically the same as the last 30 years, so is not anything new. So usual problems with real wage growth, but higher inflation is reducing debt for "free" currently.

It's not a short term thing this anti-establishment vote. It's decades of the poor people being screwed compared to the rich (look at all the inequality charts) and will take a long time to resolve, not just a vote or two. It's across many countries, and that is the result of a systematic problem in our globalisation economic system now. It benefits the overall world, but the ones losing out are the poorer people in the west, and so they are pushing back. The experts/moderate centre ground politicians was the people who got us here, and so they're the ones being rebelled against.

Pay for play, corruption and democracy is obviously huge issues I agree should be massively used to get rid of Trump, but seems to be viewed as less important overall versus economy/other issues. I also agree Trump is absolutely not the answer to the issues above for the most part. However he and others like him is probably needed for the rich/powerful to listen, and in the end change the system to spread the benefits more fairly. I say this as someone who is lucky enough to be in a good enough position to have benefited somewhat, although nothing like the very wealthy.

[Byker28i]

Seems you're the only person who thinks the tax cuts weren't just for the rich

A Year After the Middle Class Tax Cut, the Rich Are Winning
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tax-plan-c...

The Trump Tax Cuts Did One Thing: Give Rich People More Money
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/09/trumps-tax-...


Now, as Americans finish filing to the IRS for the first time under the new system, the law has swelled the deficit and surveys show just one-fifth of taxpayers believe their taxes have gone down
https://time.com/5570679/trump-tax-cuts/


I could keep going along the same thing.

[Byker28i]

Swamp news

Sens. Warren, Murray, and Wyden have sent a letter to HHS Secretary Alex Azar demanding to know when the Trump admin will recoup hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars "wasted on charter jet flights taken by former HHS Secretary Tom Price

https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019.1...

[minimoog]

:makes notes: 'Inflation is not bad for poor people because they've got no money'

[Byker28i]

Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing, the lawyers who represent the Ukrainian oligarch paying millions for dirt on Biden, also have another client: John Solomon, the columnist who pushed the Biden conspiracy
The arrangement raises new questions about potential privilege claims.
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/10/24/ukrai...

It's all awfully convenient and incestuous...

[vonuber]

NRS said:

...I say this as someone who is lucky enough to be in a good enough position to have benefited somewhat, although nothing like the very wealthy.

That explains your posts.

[NRS]

Byker28i said:

Seems you're the only person who thinks the tax cuts weren't just for the rich

A Year After the Middle Class Tax Cut, the Rich Are Winning
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tax-plan-c...
I could keep going along the same thing.

How does this graph posted in your link disagree with my statement that "The tax cuts were not just for the rich, it was a cut for most people, as well as the rich."?

minimoog said:

:makes notes: 'Inflation is not bad for poor people because they've got no money'

If wages go up at the same rate/higher than inflation. As I mentioned.

vonuber said:

NRS said:

...I say this as someone who is lucky enough to be in a good enough position to have benefited somewhat, although nothing like the very wealthy.

That explains your posts.

How do you mean? I don't mean I have benefited from Trump, but from the whole bail out system etc.

[Lazermilk]

Byker28i said:

Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing, the lawyers who represent the Ukrainian oligarch paying millions for dirt on Biden, also have another client: John Solomon, the columnist who pushed the Biden conspiracy
The arrangement raises new questions about potential privilege claims.
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/10/24/ukrai...

It's all awfully convenient and incestuous...

Just the way trump likes it...

[Byker28i]

Summer zevros has been busy in her court case against trump. So much evidence collected that of course team trump are trying to block it by claiming its confidential because it has trumps phone numbers in it....

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/thr-esq/appr...

[Byker28i]

So not just aid refused to put pressure on Ukraine to falsify evidence against Biden, the White House delayed Ukraine trade decision in August, a signal that U.S. suspension of cooperation extended beyond security funds

"The August exchange between Bolton and [Robert] Lighthizer over the trade matter represents the first indication that the admin's suspension of assistance to Ukraine extended beyond the congressionally authorized military aid & security assistance to other government programs."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/wh...

[Byker28i]

Trump hosted MULTIPLE Rs for lunch today, including Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, David Perdue, Lamar Alexander, Roy Blunt, Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott, John Kennedy, Rob Portman & — notably — John Thune, who backtracked after saying picture emerging from testimony was "not a good one

Looks like he's getting an organised response together. Wonder how long that will take until trump or giuliani says something incriminating again?

[Lazermilk]

Byker28i said:

Summer zevros has been busy in her court case against trump. So much evidence collected that of course team trump are trying to block it by claiming its confidential because it has trumps phone numbers in it....

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/thr-esq/appr...

Clutching at straws there!

[hidetheelephants]

NRS said:

Byker28i said:

Seems you're the only person who thinks the tax cuts weren't just for the rich

A Year After the Middle Class Tax Cut, the Rich Are Winning
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tax-plan-c...
I could keep going along the same thing.

How does this graph posted in your link disagree with my statement that "The tax cuts were not just for the rich, it was a cut for most people, as well as the rich."?

0.4% of $14k is $56; their cup overfloweth.
1.2% of $36k is $432; less than $10 a week extra isn't going to make them feel like winners.
1.6% of $65k is $1040; $20 a week makes the groceries or filling up the car a bit easier, but still not keeping up with the K-people.
1.9% of $114k is $2166; $40 a week, not to be sniffed at, then again if you're in this bracket and $40 means the difference between Micawbian happiness and misery the problem isn't the government taking too much of your wedge.
2.9% of $348k; $200 a week, haud me back Jay Gatsby!

Quite why the unwashed deserve a bung one eighth of the size given to the 1%ers is unclear; the rich get richer, the poor get very slightly less poor isn't an election winner as slogans go, but then the US is an odd place in many ways.