45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)
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Trump is trying to sell another bailout for farmers
Donald J. Trump
Our great Farmers will recieve another major round of “cash,” compliments of China Tariffs, prior to Thanksgiving. The smaller farms and farmers will be big beneficiaries. In the meantime, and as you may have noticed, China is starting to buy big again. Japan deal DONE. Enjoy!
Except that as pointed out, the “cash” is compliments of American taxpayers. It’s called a bailout. President Trump raises consumer prices with tariffs (taxes on Americans), hurts American farmers, and then takes money from taxpayers to aid the farmers he hurt
$28bn so far, wonder how much this time?
Donald J. Trump
Our great Farmers will recieve another major round of “cash,” compliments of China Tariffs, prior to Thanksgiving. The smaller farms and farmers will be big beneficiaries. In the meantime, and as you may have noticed, China is starting to buy big again. Japan deal DONE. Enjoy!
Except that as pointed out, the “cash” is compliments of American taxpayers. It’s called a bailout. President Trump raises consumer prices with tariffs (taxes on Americans), hurts American farmers, and then takes money from taxpayers to aid the farmers he hurt
$28bn so far, wonder how much this time?
More mystery about trumps hospital visit.
CNN are reporting that Typically, Walter Reed's medical staff would get a general notice about a "VIP" visit to the medical center ahead of a presidential visit. That did not happen this time, indicating the visit was a non-routine visit and scheduled last minute
CNN are reporting that Typically, Walter Reed's medical staff would get a general notice about a "VIP" visit to the medical center ahead of a presidential visit. That did not happen this time, indicating the visit was a non-routine visit and scheduled last minute
paulguitar said:
mikal83 said:
I just wish some here would get a check on reality. Trump isnt going anywhere, not now, not next week, not next month. If you think he is, your delusional.
That may well be true, and it has got me thinking lately about the impeachment process itself. Basically, the likelihood is that eventually, trump will have his fate decided by a bunch of his mates in the senate. It seems an amazingly poor system if it is meant to deliver 'justice'.I do think once the worthless sociopath is gone, whenever that is, they need to have a really good look at the constitution there.
knk said:
My prediction.
If Trump is facing being found guilty he will be diagnosed with dementia. He will never be held to account.
His cowardice is the only thing that will trump his arrogance.
Lawyer: My client has sadly deteriorated rapidly and is now entering advanced stages of dementia.If Trump is facing being found guilty he will be diagnosed with dementia. He will never be held to account.
His cowardice is the only thing that will trump his arrogance.
Trump: I'm the sanest man ever, you know the doctor said he'd never met anyone as sane as me.
Lawyer: If anyone wants me I'll be on the phone to my bank making sure the client has paid up front.
Byker28i said:
Trump is trying to sell another bailout for farmers
Donald J. Trump
Our great Farmers will recieve another major round of “cash,” compliments of China Tariffs, prior to Thanksgiving. The smaller farms and farmers will be big beneficiaries. In the meantime, and as you may have noticed, China is starting to buy big again. Japan deal DONE. Enjoy!
Except that as pointed out, the “cash” is compliments of American taxpayers. It’s called a bailout. President Trump raises consumer prices with tariffs (taxes on Americans), hurts American farmers, and then takes money from taxpayers to aid the farmers he hurt
$28bn so far, wonder how much this time?
That sounds a lot like that "Socialism" some Dems want, and that's BAD! Donald J. Trump
Our great Farmers will recieve another major round of “cash,” compliments of China Tariffs, prior to Thanksgiving. The smaller farms and farmers will be big beneficiaries. In the meantime, and as you may have noticed, China is starting to buy big again. Japan deal DONE. Enjoy!
Except that as pointed out, the “cash” is compliments of American taxpayers. It’s called a bailout. President Trump raises consumer prices with tariffs (taxes on Americans), hurts American farmers, and then takes money from taxpayers to aid the farmers he hurt
$28bn so far, wonder how much this time?
paulguitar said:
That may well be true, and it has got me thinking lately about the impeachment process itself. Basically, the likelihood is that eventually, trump will have his fate decided by a bunch of his mates in the senate. It seems an amazingly poor system if it is meant to deliver 'justice'.
I do think once the worthless sociopath is gone, whenever that is, they need to have a really good look at the constitution there.
Impeachment is a political process though rather than a judicial one. The courts don’t have a role: the lower house lays articles of impeachment (an indictment of sorts) and if that passes by a simple majority the matter moved to the upper house for a trial. I do think once the worthless sociopath is gone, whenever that is, they need to have a really good look at the constitution there.
The senate can only impeach by a 2/3 majority. That seems high but the senate traditionally is the most bipartisan part of the US govt. Legislation needs only a simple majority to pass, but in the senate bills can be filibustered, and so defeated. Ending a filibuster requires (at least usually) a 60/40 vote. And various bits of legislation only navigate their ways through the senate because of bipartisan sponsorship.
It’s worth remembering that no US President has been successfully impeached, in the sense of removed by a 2/3 majority of the senate. Andrew Jackson and Bill Clinton were acquitted in the Senate and Nixon resigned before the trial. You could legitimately regard impeachment as a process that rests on a bipartisan loss of political confidence in the President.
The purpose of the present process is not (IMO) to remove Trump. The Dems recognise that GOP senators will support him in sufficient numbers to keep him in office. Instead (again, IMO) it is to wound him fatally, and those GOP senators who support him, and GOP congressmen generally. Present a damning case of corruption and watch the GOP close ranks. The Dems aren’t playing this out to make inroads into the GOP base of voters. They are trying to sway the crucial swing voters in the swing states that will give them the White House. The last election turned on 80,000 votes spread across three states. The margins are that fine.
RobDickinson said:
Its easily apparent the US structure of government had serious flaws for a long time and needs complete rework, but that needs buy in and cooperation of the Republicans who have spent decades breaking it to their own ends.
The only way it gets fixed is with a Democrat super majority.
And President Sanders! Biden will do fThe only way it gets fixed is with a Democrat super majority.
k all to the status quo,the rest arent likely to eitherBlackWidow13 said:
paulguitar said:
That may well be true, and it has got me thinking lately about the impeachment process itself. Basically, the likelihood is that eventually, trump will have his fate decided by a bunch of his mates in the senate. It seems an amazingly poor system if it is meant to deliver 'justice'.
I do think once the worthless sociopath is gone, whenever that is, they need to have a really good look at the constitution there.
Impeachment is a political process though rather than a judicial one. The courts don’t have a role: the lower house lays articles of impeachment (an indictment of sorts) and if that passes by a simple majority the matter moved to the upper house for a trial. I do think once the worthless sociopath is gone, whenever that is, they need to have a really good look at the constitution there.
The senate can only impeach by a 2/3 majority. That seems high but the senate traditionally is the most bipartisan part of the US govt. Legislation needs only a simple majority to pass, but in the senate bills can be filibustered, and so defeated. Ending a filibuster requires (at least usually) a 60/40 vote. And various bits of legislation only navigate their ways through the senate because of bipartisan sponsorship.
It’s worth remembering that no US President has been successfully impeached, in the sense of removed by a 2/3 majority of the senate. Andrew Jackson and Bill Clinton were acquitted in the Senate and Nixon resigned before the trial. You could legitimately regard impeachment as a process that rests on a bipartisan loss of political confidence in the President.
The purpose of the present process is not (IMO) to remove Trump. The Dems recognise that GOP senators will support him in sufficient numbers to keep him in office. Instead (again, IMO) it is to wound him fatally, and those GOP senators who support him, and GOP congressmen generally. Present a damning case of corruption and watch the GOP close ranks. The Dems aren’t playing this out to make inroads into the GOP base of voters. They are trying to sway the crucial swing voters in the swing states that will give them the White House. The last election turned on 80,000 votes spread across three states. The margins are that fine.
And here goes trump again attacking witnesses.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Tell Jennifer Williams, whoever that is, to read BOTH transcripts of the presidential calls, & see the just released ststement from Ukraine. Then she should meet with the other Never Trumpers, who I don’t know & mostly never even heard of, & work out a better presidential attack!
7:57 pm · 17 Nov 2019
This is an aide to Vice President Pence...
He on a full out rant at the moment
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Tell Jennifer Williams, whoever that is, to read BOTH transcripts of the presidential calls, & see the just released ststement from Ukraine. Then she should meet with the other Never Trumpers, who I don’t know & mostly never even heard of, & work out a better presidential attack!
7:57 pm · 17 Nov 2019
This is an aide to Vice President Pence...
He on a full out rant at the moment
mikal83 said:
Eric Mc said:
mikal83 said:
I just wish some here would get a check on reality. Trump isnt going anywhere, not now, not next week, not next month. If you think he is, your delusional.
Your delusional what?mikal83 said:
I just wish some here would get a check on reality. Trump isnt going anywhere, not now, not next week, not next month. If you think he is, your delusional.
Not delusional at all, the calculus is and always has been about votes.I agree that it won't be next week or month but if history teaches us one thing it's that the end for strong leaders who have become an electoral liability is sudden and brutal, Thatcher crying on the steps of Downing Street as one example of many.
For all Trump has had considerable success in reorienting America's institutions towards a dictatorship structure of supporting the strong man leader at all costs he lacks that spark of emotional intelligence that all long lasting strong men have. Putin, Qaddafi and Hafez Assad would be examples of people who have pulled off what Trump is trying to do and they all have one thing in common, they are all remarkably intelligent people capable of creating a majority of public support in their favour. By contrast the other type of dictator are the ones who can only produce 30%ish public support and rely on violence to keep the rest under control, this lower league is where Trump belongs, down with the Mugabe's and such, however America is too advanced and educated a country for that strategy to work.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but as far as I'm aware the last time a western country voted for dictatorship in a free vote (and lets be clear that dictatorship is exactly the structure Trump is pushing for) was Napoleon III, the later nephew of that Napoleon, and he had to go to prison and write what was essentially the forerunner to marxism before anyone would vote for him. I don't see Trump being the one to break that trend.
Democracy for all its warts has never been about power to the people, it's a system for getting rid of the crappiest options among those who wish to lead us and Trump is exactly the kind of person democracy is designed to exclude. It won't be next week or next month but it will happen. My only hope is that it happens by democratic vote next November rather than any other means because that will minimize the long term scars.
Byker28i said:
Trump is trying to sell another bailout for farmers
Donald J. Trump
Our great Farmers will recieve another major round of “cash,” compliments of China Tariffs, prior to Thanksgiving. The smaller farms and farmers will be big beneficiaries. In the meantime, and as you may have noticed, China is starting to buy big again. Japan deal DONE. Enjoy!
Except that as pointed out, the “cash” is compliments of American taxpayers. It’s called a bailout. President Trump raises consumer prices with tariffs (taxes on Americans), hurts American farmers, and then takes money from taxpayers to aid the farmers he hurt
$28bn so far, wonder how much this time?
The two most relevant people in this situation are Heiko Mass and Robert Lightzier, if they've not moved then nothing else will.Donald J. Trump
Our great Farmers will recieve another major round of “cash,” compliments of China Tariffs, prior to Thanksgiving. The smaller farms and farmers will be big beneficiaries. In the meantime, and as you may have noticed, China is starting to buy big again. Japan deal DONE. Enjoy!
Except that as pointed out, the “cash” is compliments of American taxpayers. It’s called a bailout. President Trump raises consumer prices with tariffs (taxes on Americans), hurts American farmers, and then takes money from taxpayers to aid the farmers he hurt
$28bn so far, wonder how much this time?
Trump and Xi pop out statements about this or that happening but to misquote Frank Zappa, they're just the entertainment division of the real trade war.
The equation we're looking for is on the surface quite simple: Any trade distortions produced by 'socialism with Chinese characteristics' must be met with protectionist measures equal to or greater than China's own protectionist measures.
Below the surface this is a horribly complex question and until America and the EU are cooperating in lockstep it won't be resolved. The Trump regime's inability to work with allies precludes any resolution to the situation while Trump is in office.
hidetheelephants said:
McCaskies do good pies(and other meaty goodness) but not exactly enroute for you; Skelmorlie is a nice day out though.
Completely the wrong direction but as it happens it appears to be just across the water from my cousin's house, will be sure to check it out next time I'm up that way. Thanks for the recommendation 
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