45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)

[inonthis]

Gameface said:

You've found a Trump devotee on Twitter.

What's the point you are attempting to make?

No. Tim Pool is a massive lefty.

My point is if he (like many of us) is sick off all this BS, then you can guarantee your average American will be thinking the same.

Teflon Trump is going nowhere.

Also I really don't understand how anyone can look at the hearing objectively and not see it for the complete circus it is.

[anonymous-user]

inonthis said:

Gameface said:

You've found a Trump devotee on Twitter.

What's the point you are attempting to make?

No. Tim Pool is a massive lefty.

My point is if he (like many of us) is sick off all this BS, then you can guarantee your average American will be thinking the same.

Teflon Trump is going nowhere.

Also I really don't understand how anyone can look at the hearing objectively and not see it for the complete circus it is.

What do you mean, it is a simple investigation clarifying the facts into an accusation, what is "circus" like about it?

Unless, of course, you mean the whole BS being spewed daily from the Whitehouse.

[paulguitar]

Lord.Vader said:

inonthis said:

Gameface said:

You've found a Trump devotee on Twitter.

What's the point you are attempting to make?

No. Tim Pool is a massive lefty.

My point is if he (like many of us) is sick off all this BS, then you can guarantee your average American will be thinking the same.

Teflon Trump is going nowhere.

Also I really don't understand how anyone can look at the hearing objectively and not see it for the complete circus it is.

What do you mean, it is a simple investigation clarifying the facts into an accusation, what is "circus" like about it?

Unless, of course, you mean the whole BS being spewed daily from the Whitehouse.

Precisely. All I can think is going on here anyone who does not comprehend the gravity of this situation simply does not understand it.

[Gameface]

inonthis said:

Gameface said:

You've found a Trump devotee on Twitter.

What's the point you are attempting to make?

No. Tim Pool is a massive lefty.

My point is if he (like many of us) is sick off all this BS, then you can guarantee your average American will be thinking the same.

Teflon Trump is going nowhere.

Also I really don't understand how anyone can look at the hearing objectively and not see it for the complete circus it is.

I'm not sick of it in the slightest. It's vitally important we get to the bottom of Trumps actions.

[inonthis]

Gameface said:

I'm not sick of it in the slightest. It's vitally important we get to the bottom of Trumps actions.

That's great but I'd argue the dems time would be better spent getting behind their own candidates, so they win the next election. This isn't happening because they know they can't win, so we revert back to orange man bad.

[Tallow]

inonthis said:

That's great but I'd argue the dems time would be better spent getting behind their own candidates, so they win the next election. This isn't happening because they know they can't win, so we revert back to orange man bad.

Surely those are two entirely seperate processes? Are you honestly suggesting there should be no oversight of the use of presidential power (irrespective of who has it)? Clinton was impeached (justifiably) for misusing his position. To my mind, withholding aid to a foreign country to investigate your opponents is the kind of thing a tin pot dictator would do, and is considerably worse.

Whether or not the Bidens are guilty of anything is and should be entirely seperate to an abuse of power. If there is a consensus that this could be the case, it should be investigated by the relevant US authorities, not outsourced in some kind of shady backroom deal.

Also, lay off the "orange man bad" trope. It's overused, meaningless and weakens your point.

[walm]

inonthis said:

No. Tim Pool is a massive lefty.

My point is if he (like many of us) is sick off all this BS, then you can guarantee your average American will be thinking the same.

Teflon Trump is going nowhere.

Also I really don't understand how anyone can look at the hearing objectively and not see it for the complete circus it is.

I agree on the point about Teflon Trump, and politically it may well do the Dems no favours. (Hence why Nancy delayed for so long...)

However, part of Congress's job is to oversee the President.
He has committed a blantantly impeachable offence.
The Dems would be derelict in their duty of office to ignore it.
Essentially they HAVE to impeach him, given how obvious the whole thing is.
They know the senate will vote it down.
They know it will increase division across the country.
They know he will be able to campaign on "vindicated TWICE".

But they are doing the RIGHT thing. Morally and legally. They HAVE to do it.


As for the circus comments - that's bks.
Do you remember a certain other President being impeached for a BJ?? That's a circus.
The only circus elements of a President putting his personal interests ahead of the country is when he goads his moronic minions into physically storming the secure testimony area like a bunch of banana republic thugs.

[walm]

Saying "I am a lefty and just bored with this circus" shows:
1. An incredibly short attention span.
2. A complete lack of understanding of the gravity of the crime.
3. A willingness to accept that the President is somehow above the law.
4. A complete disregard for due process.

Personally, I would rather this was over and the Dems somehow found a front-runner to win over the required 1-2% of the morons who still support this goon.
But, the President needs to be held accountable, and due process takes time.
So I am prepared to put up with the "circus" for as long as it takes.

[paulguitar]

Tallow said:

Also, lay off the "orange man bad" trope. It's overused, meaningless and weakens your point.

Agreed, whenever I see that I get the feeling it's written by someone totally out of their depth as the last resort.

The fact is, it takes time and a bit of commitment keeping up with trump's relentless wrongdoing, but it's worth the effort. I think I am actually better informed than Mrs Guitar, who is American. These days, she tends to ask me what the latest is as she's just so fed up with the candyfloss cretin.

[Gameface]

inonthis said:

Gameface said:

I'm not sick of it in the slightest. It's vitally important we get to the bottom of Trumps actions.

That's great but I'd argue the dems time would be better spent getting behind their own candidates, so they win the next election. This isn't happening because they know they can't win, so we revert back to orange man bad.

There's so much wrong with that statement I'm not even going to bother with a rebuttal.

Edited to add:- I now see others have pulled your pist apart already.

Edited by Gameface on Thursday 21st November 16:32

[Blackpuddin]

British-born Fiona Hill coming across well at the inquiry, surely a shoe-in for the next 'M' in MI6. Surprised techiedave hasn't been on here singing her praises.

[_dobbo_]

Been a while since we've had someone providing "balance" in the thread. Shame the balance was so ropey he fell over and stuffed both feet in his own mouth.

[LarryUSA]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
3h
.....President before. What they are doing is not legal. But I’m clean, and when I release my financial statement (my decision) sometime prior to Election, it will only show one thing - that I am much richer than people even thought - And that is a good thing. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!

Yeah... right...

[Fittster]

inonthis said:

Gameface said:

I'm not sick of it in the slightest. It's vitally important we get to the bottom of Trumps actions.

That's great but I'd argue the dems time would be better spent getting behind their own candidates, so they win the next election. This isn't happening because they know they can't win, so we revert back to orange man bad.

I should learn not to talk to trolls, but...

Why don't you think the President refusing military aid for Ukraine unless they provided dirt on a political opponent of Trump is wrong?

Why can't a Democrat will the 2020 election? It's not as if Trump is hugely ahead in any polls.

[Blackpuddin]

LarryUSA said:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
3h
.....President before. What they are doing is not legal. But I’m clean, and when I release my financial statement (my decision) sometime prior to Election, it will only show one thing - that I am much richer than people even thought - And that is a good thing. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!

Yeah... right...

His 'financial statement' is of no interest. His tax return is.

[anonymous-user]

Blackpuddin said:

British-born Fiona Hill coming across well at the inquiry, surely a shoe-in for the next 'M' in MI6. Surprised techiedave hasn't been on here singing her praises.

Except for her comment on what a hovel she came from. Daughter of a Miner and Nurse, but she won a place at St Andrews. Obviously stood out there to be offered some kind of scholarship at Harvard (I turned down a funded PhD in the US, to pursue one instead at home). She mentioned her accent would have held her back in the UK. But having worked in the US, I can say there is an invisible pressure to adopt US vernacular. Brits over there for a while tend to switch on or off the accent when home, or in conversation with fellow countrymen. She is basically an academic, and there is no way in the UK, in the last 30-40 years, accent would have held anyone back in the academic, or indeed, public service world. Attitude might have though.

But I understand why she had to say that, in that setting.

Given her position, and likely clearance, I would be suprised if she holds UK citizenship anymore.

[Byker28i]

LarryUSA said:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
3h
.....President before. What they are doing is not legal. But I’m clean, and when I release my financial statement (my decision) sometime prior to Election, it will only show one thing - that I am much richer than people even thought - And that is a good thing. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!

Yeah... right...

Methinks he doth protest too much.

He's skint again. All the signs are there.

[Byker28i]

Gameface said:

Gameface said:

Did the call take place on Air Force One?

Byker do you know the answer to this?

Ukraine calls

The White House released Friday the rough transcript of the April 21 call between President Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskiy, the then-newly elected Ukrainian leader.

The 16-minute call was conducted from Air Force One and came three months before the July 25 conversation between the two men that prompted the impeachment inquiry into Trump.
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/15/779667256/read-pres...

Note:that was a call as he returned from Mar-a-Lago

The second call, 25th July, that sparked the whistleblowers account was from the white house, hence everyone listening in.


The notepad with the writing in black bold marker: "I want nothing I want nothing I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zellinsky to do the right thing. This is the final word from the Pres of the U.S." was written on "Aboard Air Force One" notepad letterhead.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-notes-impeachment-z...

[Byker28i]

Netanyahu's been indicted on fraud, breach of trust and bribery charges. They do not require him to resign, but is expected to raise pressure on him to step down; after 2 elections and 3 attempts, Israeli lawmakers have been unable to form a new government

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-prime-minister...

Is trump going to stop all aid to Israel, seeing as he's so concerned about corruption?

[Byker28i]

Fiona Hills testimony is equally devestating todays as Sondlands was yesterday, especially to Mulvaney as he and Sondland
pushed a WH meeting would only be available in exchange for investigation of "Burisma":



Which makes this interesting:

The Project On Government Oversight (POGO) requests an investigation into potential
violations of the Hatch Act by John Michael “Mick” Mulvaney—the director of the Office of
Management and Budget and acting White House chief of staff—as well as by Ambassador
Gordon Sondland for engaging in prohibited political activity. Mr. Mulvaney and Ambassador
Sondland appear to have used their official authority to attempt to sway an upcoming election.
The Hatch Act prohibits executive branch officials when they are on duty or in the federal
workplace from engaging in political activity, which the act defines as “activity directed toward
the success or failure of a political party, candidate for partisan political office, or partisan
political group.”1
The Hatch Act exists “to ensure that federal programs are administered in a
nonpartisan fashion” and “to protect federal employees from political coercion in the
workplace,” according to the Office of Special Counsel’s website.2

Under a little-known criminal provision that applies to “any person,” Mr. Mulvaney’s and
Ambassador Sondland’s acts may also criminally implicate President Donald Trump if the
evidence establishes that President Trump directed federal officials to take actions that constitute
Hatch Act violations.

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/20...