45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)
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Trump will go down in the history books, but not the way he wanted. The impeachment committees have transmitted the impeachment inquiry report to the House Judiciary Committee.
"sensitive materials" and other documents not released to the public.
This includes notifying Nunes, who is frequently mentioned in the report as involved.
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"sensitive materials" and other documents not released to the public.
This includes notifying Nunes, who is frequently mentioned in the report as involved.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELJ29TNXsAEmj1X.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELJ29TNWoAAwoLD.jpg
and still the WH obstruct, Pence this time doesn't want people to know his involvement
A national security aide to Vice President Mike Pence submitted additional classified evidence to House impeachment investigators about a phone call between Pence and Ukraine's president, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff revealed Friday.
In a letter to Pence, Schiff (D-Calif.) asked the vice president to declassify supplemental testimony from the aide, Jennifer Williams, about Pence’s Sept. 18 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, arguing that there is no “legitimate basis” to keep it secret.
“The Office of the Vice President’s decision to classify ‘certain portions’ of the Sept. 18 call … cannot be justified on national security or any other legitimate grounds we can discern,” Schiff wrote to Pence, requesting a response by Dec. 11.
Schiff indicated that Williams recalled the relevant information about Pence’s phone call after her closed-door deposition on Nov. 7 and wished to convey it to impeachment investigators. The letter indicates Williams submitted the supplemental filing on Nov. 26, a week after she testified publicly.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/06/adam-schi...
A national security aide to Vice President Mike Pence submitted additional classified evidence to House impeachment investigators about a phone call between Pence and Ukraine's president, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff revealed Friday.
In a letter to Pence, Schiff (D-Calif.) asked the vice president to declassify supplemental testimony from the aide, Jennifer Williams, about Pence’s Sept. 18 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, arguing that there is no “legitimate basis” to keep it secret.
“The Office of the Vice President’s decision to classify ‘certain portions’ of the Sept. 18 call … cannot be justified on national security or any other legitimate grounds we can discern,” Schiff wrote to Pence, requesting a response by Dec. 11.
Schiff indicated that Williams recalled the relevant information about Pence’s phone call after her closed-door deposition on Nov. 7 and wished to convey it to impeachment investigators. The letter indicates Williams submitted the supplemental filing on Nov. 26, a week after she testified publicly.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/06/adam-schi...
We know Parnas gave the House impeachment committeee large amounts of evidence, we also know that was around 9Gb as he also shared it with SDNY prosecutors
Schiff confirmed that Ukraine scandal henchman Lev Parnas has indeed been providing him with physical evidence in Donald Trump’s impeachment.
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and FBI investigators are making their way through what prosecutor Douglas Zolkind called a "voluminous" amount of evidence in the case — around 9 gigabytes' worth.
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/02/784164817/prosecuto...
Now the Guardian are reporting Parnas is making a plea deal with SDNY
Talks about a potential plea deal are under way between federal prosecutors and an attorney for Lev Parnas, a Rudy Giuliani associate indicted for making illegal campaign donations who helped Trump lawyer Giuliani’s search for dirt in Ukraine on Joe Biden, says an attorney familiar with the investigation
The talks appear to be in early stages, but the lawyer familiar with the investigation and ex-prosecutors say that pressure mounted on Parnas to cut a deal after prosecutors revealed on Monday that he and his business associate Igor Fruman, who was also indicted for making illegal campaign donations, are “likely” to face additional charges.
Parnas and his lawyer have begun cooperating with the House impeachment inquiry in response to a subpoena and have turned over video and audio recordings to the House intelligence committee.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/06/gi...
Giuliani looks to be in real trouble, wonder if he'll come back from his 'trip'. Also it appears SDNY have a number of outstanding criminal cases where trump is involved, so he will almost certainly be looking at being charged as soon as he's out the WH?
Schiff confirmed that Ukraine scandal henchman Lev Parnas has indeed been providing him with physical evidence in Donald Trump’s impeachment.
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and FBI investigators are making their way through what prosecutor Douglas Zolkind called a "voluminous" amount of evidence in the case — around 9 gigabytes' worth.
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/02/784164817/prosecuto...
Now the Guardian are reporting Parnas is making a plea deal with SDNY
Talks about a potential plea deal are under way between federal prosecutors and an attorney for Lev Parnas, a Rudy Giuliani associate indicted for making illegal campaign donations who helped Trump lawyer Giuliani’s search for dirt in Ukraine on Joe Biden, says an attorney familiar with the investigation
The talks appear to be in early stages, but the lawyer familiar with the investigation and ex-prosecutors say that pressure mounted on Parnas to cut a deal after prosecutors revealed on Monday that he and his business associate Igor Fruman, who was also indicted for making illegal campaign donations, are “likely” to face additional charges.
Parnas and his lawyer have begun cooperating with the House impeachment inquiry in response to a subpoena and have turned over video and audio recordings to the House intelligence committee.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/06/gi...
Giuliani looks to be in real trouble, wonder if he'll come back from his 'trip'. Also it appears SDNY have a number of outstanding criminal cases where trump is involved, so he will almost certainly be looking at being charged as soon as he's out the WH?
So trump released the money to Ukraine two days after he found out about the Whistleblowers complaint and the GOP have tried to claim this wasn't bribary or extortion because they got the money.
Only not all of it, according to MSNBC host Ali Melber.
"[T]his report . . . cuts into [President Donald] Trump's defense on the facts," Melber said.
"Because for all the talk . . . about the White House releasing all the Ukraine money, Trump's actions have denied Ukraine not a dollar, or a hundred thousand dollars, or a million dollars. But $35 million of that aid — the report noting Pentagon officials confirming Ukraine still has not received $35 million in security assistance yet to be dispersed. Meaning those funds which were approved under U.S. Law have not gone out."
Melber's remarks as well as the data from the report — on page 147 — was posted by Mediaite.
"As of November 2019, Pentagon officials confirmed that the $35 million in security assistance originally held by the president and extended by Congress had still yet to be
disbursed," the report stated. "When asked for an explanation, the Pentagon only confirmed that the funds had not yet been spent but declined to say why."
According to Melber, the data is "new evidence against Donald Trump for his potential impeachment."
"Any time you hear this defense that actually all the money went to Ukraine — the kind of 'no harm, no foul' defense — the news is . . . that is factually false," he said.
"Not all the money went to Ukraine. And as of tonight, the Trump administration still doesn't have a good reason as to why."
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/military-aid-qui...
Only not all of it, according to MSNBC host Ali Melber.
"[T]his report . . . cuts into [President Donald] Trump's defense on the facts," Melber said.
"Because for all the talk . . . about the White House releasing all the Ukraine money, Trump's actions have denied Ukraine not a dollar, or a hundred thousand dollars, or a million dollars. But $35 million of that aid — the report noting Pentagon officials confirming Ukraine still has not received $35 million in security assistance yet to be dispersed. Meaning those funds which were approved under U.S. Law have not gone out."
Melber's remarks as well as the data from the report — on page 147 — was posted by Mediaite.
"As of November 2019, Pentagon officials confirmed that the $35 million in security assistance originally held by the president and extended by Congress had still yet to be
disbursed," the report stated. "When asked for an explanation, the Pentagon only confirmed that the funds had not yet been spent but declined to say why."
According to Melber, the data is "new evidence against Donald Trump for his potential impeachment."
"Any time you hear this defense that actually all the money went to Ukraine — the kind of 'no harm, no foul' defense — the news is . . . that is factually false," he said.
"Not all the money went to Ukraine. And as of tonight, the Trump administration still doesn't have a good reason as to why."
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/military-aid-qui...
And the US wonders why leaders are laughing at their president
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/120304627608392...
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/120304627608392...
Is there actually any evidence that the impeachement enquiry has
"violated basic principals of due process and fundamental fairness"
??
As far as i can see reported, at no point has that occured, and in fact any violation has been due to the WH preventing specific employees from actually appearing as is constitutional required before the house??
The true fundamental fairness of course is that even if your are accused of sufficient wrong doing and face an impeachment hearing, and the evidence given by those called in those hearings proves your innocence of that wrong doing, then those charges are dropped.
In this case, the charge was brought, the evidence heard, and the evidence showed that the charge was valid.
That is exactly as it is constitutionally required to be surely? To claim otherwise would require absolute physical proof of a violation of due process, or evidence that witnesses themselves had lied in front of the house. In the abscence of those, then there is no "violation" of anything.
Unfortunately, this is where Trump and his lying has brought us. Basically, you can now send a letter at the highest legal and politcal standard, and yet, that letter and what it contains can be a complete falicy. Frankly, it's time people started getting pulled up on this imo!
"violated basic principals of due process and fundamental fairness"
??
As far as i can see reported, at no point has that occured, and in fact any violation has been due to the WH preventing specific employees from actually appearing as is constitutional required before the house??
The true fundamental fairness of course is that even if your are accused of sufficient wrong doing and face an impeachment hearing, and the evidence given by those called in those hearings proves your innocence of that wrong doing, then those charges are dropped.
In this case, the charge was brought, the evidence heard, and the evidence showed that the charge was valid.
That is exactly as it is constitutionally required to be surely? To claim otherwise would require absolute physical proof of a violation of due process, or evidence that witnesses themselves had lied in front of the house. In the abscence of those, then there is no "violation" of anything.
Unfortunately, this is where Trump and his lying has brought us. Basically, you can now send a letter at the highest legal and politcal standard, and yet, that letter and what it contains can be a complete falicy. Frankly, it's time people started getting pulled up on this imo!
Max_Torque said:
Is there actually any evidence that the impeachement enquiry has
"violated basic principals of due process and fundamental fairness"
??
It's not aimed at the Dems, or Congress, or indeed anybody with any involvement in the process. It's aimed at the hordes of drooling Trumpites who will lap up the 'no due process witchhunt' message and regurgitate it without thought."violated basic principals of due process and fundamental fairness"
??
LA Times: We’ve seen enough. Trump should be impeached
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-12-07/i...
As More than 500 law professors say Trump committed ‘impeachable conduct’
More than 500 legal scholars have signed on to an open letter asserting that President Trump committed “impeachable conduct” and that lawmakers would be acting well within their rights if they ultimately voted to remove him from office.
The signers are law professors and other academics from universities across the country, including Harvard, Yale, Columbia, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of Michigan and many others. The open letter was published online Friday by the nonprofit advocacy group Protect Democracy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/m...
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-12-07/i...
As More than 500 law professors say Trump committed ‘impeachable conduct’
More than 500 legal scholars have signed on to an open letter asserting that President Trump committed “impeachable conduct” and that lawmakers would be acting well within their rights if they ultimately voted to remove him from office.
The signers are law professors and other academics from universities across the country, including Harvard, Yale, Columbia, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of Michigan and many others. The open letter was published online Friday by the nonprofit advocacy group Protect Democracy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/m...
This is about as funky as they were able to make Donald Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhht-ewLFA0
ScotHill said:
This is about as funky as they were able to make Donald Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhht-ewLFA0
That's brilliant.
It's not just the judges trump is replacing with his minions, The foreign service is losing people at an alarming clip. In the first two years of Trump's presidency, nearly half of the State Department's Career Ministers retired or were pushed out.
https://www.gq.com/story/trump-is-waging-war-on-am...
https://www.gq.com/story/trump-is-waging-war-on-am...
Another of team trump announced his resignation quietly on thanksgiving, but trump wanted to announce it.
“The United States Secret Service Deputy Assistant Director, Anthony Ornato, will become my new Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations. I have worked with Tony for 3 years – he will do a fantastic job! Thank you to Dan Walsh for his great service, and congratulations to Tony!"
“The United States Secret Service Deputy Assistant Director, Anthony Ornato, will become my new Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations. I have worked with Tony for 3 years – he will do a fantastic job! Thank you to Dan Walsh for his great service, and congratulations to Tony!"
deckster said:
It's not aimed at the Dems, or Congress, or indeed anybody with any involvement in the process. It's aimed at the hordes of drooling Trumpites who will lap up the 'no due process witchhunt' message and regurgitate it without thought.
It's why trump repeats positive comments and then embellishes them, only in this case he probably believes it“Not only have the Democrats not advanced key pieces of legislation that would help the economy, but the polls, especially in early states, are showing that voters are tuning out.” @PeteHegseth They don’t want our greatest of all presidents impeached!
There's 400 pieces of legislation sat on by Moscow Mitch passed by the house.
trump is claiming his call was perfect, that he cares about corruption.
This is the guy whose charity was shut down for illegal activity, who settled a fraud case for $25 million before taking office and is currently fighting on several fronts to make sure taxpayers never find out who pays him and if he pays any taxes.
This is the guy whose charity was shut down for illegal activity, who settled a fraud case for $25 million before taking office and is currently fighting on several fronts to make sure taxpayers never find out who pays him and if he pays any taxes.
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