45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)

[Carl_Manchester]

Eric Mc said:

So what do you want, a judicial system that's MORE political or one that is LESS political.

I accept there is there is no such thing as a perfect system, sadly the current system only works if the FBI director does not suffer from conflicts of morality if the person you work for does not share your own personal value system.

i have read Comey’s book and its superb, i enjoyed but it clear to me that his value system is entirely opposition with Trumps and not the Bush family or the Clintons - therein lies the problem - there would have been unavoidable and clear bias simply because Comey would have seen that the Clinton/Bush family are good people who just make poor judgements from time to time.

I would agree with this assessment however, this is the problem, there is/was too much of a moral burden placed upon a non-elected individual to make decisions which could shape the presidency. The FBI and judiciary system is not supposed to be involved like this.

The Trumps on the other hand, i expect Comey would see as morally bankrupt and would only do good by accident and only if it fulfills their agenda. In that sense the viewpoint probably is that the Trumps must be stopped and undermined to protect the country.

Comey therefore was placed into a near impossible moral situation with Trump, I would suspect the FBI had a dossier a metre thick on Trump well before he entered politics. it’s not for me to judge Comey but i think i would have just quietly retired and accepted he was the right man, in the right job just at the wrong time.

I don’t agree with many of Comey’s actions, especially writing and releasing a book or, tweeting about the ‘greater good’ whilst this sham trial is going on but i think in time, the damage that Comey has done in talking down to the US electorate via the Times/Post just because they picked Trump over Clinton will need to be addressed in a more broader sense through reform.

In the UK we have a different but in someways parallel problem with the likes of Brenda Hale and the ministers who leaked documents to the press during the past years, trying to undermine our own government. Our reforms i feel have been/will be far swifter than in the US.

[walm]

Carl_Manchester said:

In that sense [Comey's] viewpoint probably is that the Trumps must be stopped and undermined to protect the country.

You seem to believe that people can't do their jobs without allowing political or moral bias to enter into it, which shows a fundamental lack of faith in humanity not to mention plenty of examples of the opposite.

Perhaps Comey found no evidence of wrongdoing by Hillary because there was none to be found, rather than because he gave her a pass because he shared her moral values.

Perhaps you are just full of st and Comey's unorthodox release of the letter to congress about new evidence into "the emails" cost Hillary the election which is prima facie evidence of an enormous LACK of bias towards Hillary.

[wisbech]

Carl_Manchester said:

You are entitled to your view but my view is different, i believe that the current trend for the use of courts/legalese in politics is anti-democratic.

My position would be to argue in favour of political constitutionalism rather than legal constitutionalism on the basis that judges can inflict too much bias into the process, it is an implied assumption by the opposing view that judges are not biased but evidence suggests that they are because they are a product of whomever places them there.

I think the current action against Trump is a sham and if the Democrats really want Trump charged and tried properly using the legal system with witnesses and testimony with full cross-examination of said witnesses, they should wait until Trump is no longer president and hand over all their evidence to the FBI.

The US constitution is anti democratic, by design. The founding fathers were terrified of the mob, and tried to set things up so that a demagogue/ populist could never control the entire government.

[Byker28i]

walm said:

Carl_Manchester said:

In that sense [Comey's] viewpoint probably is that the Trumps must be stopped and undermined to protect the country.

You seem to believe that people can't do their jobs without allowing political or moral bias to enter into it, which shows a fundamental lack of faith in humanity not to mention plenty of examples of the opposite.

Perhaps Comey found no evidence of wrongdoing by Hillary because there was none to be found, rather than because he gave her a pass because he shared her moral values.

Comey made a wrong decision to announce reopening the investigation when he did, but he felt his hands were tied, because the NY FBI office were favourable to trump and had been leaking to Giulia. They were about to leak about some of the emails being on a laptop. Where Comey fails is he refuses to accept that he did anything wrong. This had a huge impact on Clintons calmpaign a few days before the election.

Two years investigation by trump and they found nothing on Clinton.

I've also read Comeys book, no idea how CM comes up with his conclusions about Comey.

Still waiting for that details he was asked for...

[Byker28i]

Chimune said:

Gameface said:

Trumps Middle East solution, "the deal of the century" which would appease all sides has been immediately rejected by Palestine.

To be fair they rejected it before they saw it.

To be fair they ejected it because they haven't been involved with it...

Jared Kushner, senior adviser to the President, says the White House's Middle East plan is "a great deal" and if Palestinians reject it, “they’re going to screw up another opportunity, like they’ve screwed up every other opportunity that they’ve ever had in their existence.”

But then Why would anyone make a deal with someone who has no respect for you, who didn't involve them, then insults them, from someone who couldn't get a security clearance, unless given one by trump.

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 29th January 06:17

[Byker28i]

Pentagon raises the number to 50 troops injured in Iran missile attack

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-intern...

[Byker28i]

New Quinnipiac poll:

53% say Trump is not telling the truth about his Ukraine actions.

57% say they'd like Trump to provide more details about Ukraine.

54% believe Trump abused his power regarding Ukraine.

52% think Trump obstructed Congress regarding its investigation

[Byker28i]

Team trump has blocked the NPR reporter who annoyed Pompeo, who the accused her of lying, who then produced emails to show she hadn't

Yesterday trump said to Mike Pompeo in front of cameras: "That was very impressive, Mike. That reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterday, huh? [laughter] Think you did a good job on her, actually. [laughter] That's good."

[Dont like rolls]

Byker28i said:

New Quinnipiac poll:

53% say Trump is not telling the truth about his Ukraine actions.

57% say they'd like Trump to provide more details about Ukraine.

54% believe Trump abused his power regarding Ukraine.

52% think Trump obstructed Congress regarding its investigation

Given the divide in the USA and the level of those that would vote for their own testicles to be cut off if it got rid of Trump, that is not a massive percentage, especially the 52% re: obstructing Congress.

[Gameface]

Byker28i said:

Team trump has blocked the NPR reporter who annoyed Pompeo, who the accused her of lying, who then produced emails to show she hadn't

Yesterday trump said to Mike Pompeo in front of cameras: "That was very impressive, Mike. That reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterday, huh? [laughter] Think you did a good job on her, actually. [laughter] That's good."

Blocked her from what? Neither Trump nor Pompeo like strong women by the look of it.

[anonymous-user]

Carl_Manchester said:

Eric Mc said:

So what do you want, a judicial system that's MORE political or one that is LESS political.

I accept there is there is no such thing as a perfect system, sadly the current system only works if the FBI director does not suffer from conflicts of morality if the person you work for does not share your own personal value system.

i have read Comey’s book and its superb, i enjoyed but it clear to me that his value system is entirely opposition with Trumps and not the Bush family or the Clintons - therein lies the problem - there would have been unavoidable and clear bias simply because Comey would have seen that the Clinton/Bush family are good people who just make poor judgements from time to time.

I would agree with this assessment however, this is the problem, there is/was too much of a moral burden placed upon a non-elected individual to make decisions which could shape the presidency. The FBI and judiciary system is not supposed to be involved like this.

The Trumps on the other hand, i expect Comey would see as morally bankrupt and would only do good by accident and only if it fulfills their agenda. In that sense the viewpoint probably is that the Trumps must be stopped and undermined to protect the country.

Comey therefore was placed into a near impossible moral situation with Trump, I would suspect the FBI had a dossier a metre thick on Trump well before he entered politics. it’s not for me to judge Comey but i think i would have just quietly retired and accepted he was the right man, in the right job just at the wrong time.

I don’t agree with many of Comey’s actions, especially writing and releasing a book or, tweeting about the ‘greater good’ whilst this sham trial is going on but i think in time, the damage that Comey has done in talking down to the US electorate via the Times/Post just because they picked Trump over Clinton will need to be addressed in a more broader sense through reform.

In the UK we have a different but in someways parallel problem with the likes of Brenda Hale and the ministers who leaked documents to the press during the past years, trying to undermine our own government. Our reforms i feel have been/will be far swifter than in the US.

Word salad non-answer. RTFQ!

[Byker28i]

Gameface said:

Byker28i said:

Team trump has blocked the NPR reporter who annoyed Pompeo, who the accused her of lying, who then produced emails to show she hadn't

Yesterday trump said to Mike Pompeo in front of cameras: "That was very impressive, Mike. That reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterday, huh? [laughter] Think you did a good job on her, actually. [laughter] That's good."

Blocked her from what? Neither Trump nor Pompeo like strong women by the look of it.

Apologies - story from yesterday, blocked from further access

[Byker28i]

Dont like rolls said:

Gameface said:

Trumps Middle East solution, "the deal of the century" which would appease all sides has been immediately rejected by Palestine.

Well it would do, it does not recommend the destruction of the Jewish state.

No it recognises Israels right to the occupied land, that Palestime say was stolen from them.

[Byker28i]

Dont like rolls said:

Byker28i said:

New Quinnipiac poll:

53% say Trump is not telling the truth about his Ukraine actions.

57% say they'd like Trump to provide more details about Ukraine.

54% believe Trump abused his power regarding Ukraine.

52% think Trump obstructed Congress regarding its investigation

Given the divide in the USA and the level of those that would vote for their own testicles to be cut off if it got rid of Trump, that is not a massive percentage, especially the 52% re: obstructing Congress.

Only 40% of voters think trump is telling the truth over Ukraine

trump often quotes he has 95% approval

75 - 20 percent that witnesses should be allowed to testify in the impeachment trial. Support for witness testimony includes 49 percent of Republicans, 95 percent of Democrats, and 75 percent of independents.

[Byker28i]

trumps ralley in New Jersey last night, full of fear mongering and falsehoods again. Even Fox news cut away from him when he started rambling, but not before someone in the studio laughed.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/122233574799224...

[Gameface]

Byker28i said:

Gameface said:

Byker28i said:

Team trump has blocked the NPR reporter who annoyed Pompeo, who the accused her of lying, who then produced emails to show she hadn't

Yesterday trump said to Mike Pompeo in front of cameras: "That was very impressive, Mike. That reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterday, huh? [laughter] Think you did a good job on her, actually. [laughter] That's good."

Blocked her from what? Neither Trump nor Pompeo like strong women by the look of it.

Apologies - story from yesterday, blocked from further access

No White House press briefings anymore so probably won't make too much difference.

Amazing how thin skinned these supposedly powerful men are.

[Byker28i]

Many people have told the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has privately admitted to the Republican Senate that he doesn’t have the votes to stop witnesses from testifying in Donald Trump’s impeachment trial.

So is the trial going to get delayed, slowed until McConnell works on those Republicans who want witnesses?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defense-team-to...

trump is tweeting: “The Impeachment Hoax is just another political CON JOB!” and "Why didn’t John Bolton complain about this “nonsense” a long time ago, when he was very publicly terminated. He said, not that it matters, NOTHING!"

It's well documented that Bolton was adamantly opposed to Trump’s scheme to force Ukraine to help him rig the 2020 election and his time on team trump ended because of this. trump said he sacked him, Bolton said he resigned


Meanwhile you've got trump saying he was perfect, nothing wrong, you've got his defence team and GOP senators effectively saying trump did all those things but they're not impeachable, there's so much evidence they've given up defending his actions.

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 29th January 07:37

[Byker28i]

Gameface said:

Byker28i said:

Gameface said:

Byker28i said:

Team trump has blocked the NPR reporter who annoyed Pompeo, who the accused her of lying, who then produced emails to show she hadn't

Yesterday trump said to Mike Pompeo in front of cameras: "That was very impressive, Mike. That reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterday, huh? [laughter] Think you did a good job on her, actually. [laughter] That's good."

Blocked her from what? Neither Trump nor Pompeo like strong women by the look of it.

Apologies - story from yesterday, blocked from further access

No White House press briefings anymore so probably won't make too much difference.

Amazing how thin skinned these supposedly powerful men are.

The State Department has blocked an NPR reporter from taking a scheduled trip with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, in apparent retaliation for the public radio station's handling of an explosive interview conducted with Pompeo on Friday.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/0...

[Gameface]

Byker28i said:

Gameface said:

Byker28i said:

Gameface said:

Byker28i said:

Team trump has blocked the NPR reporter who annoyed Pompeo, who the accused her of lying, who then produced emails to show she hadn't

Yesterday trump said to Mike Pompeo in front of cameras: "That was very impressive, Mike. That reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterday, huh? [laughter] Think you did a good job on her, actually. [laughter] That's good."

Blocked her from what? Neither Trump nor Pompeo like strong women by the look of it.

Apologies - story from yesterday, blocked from further access

No White House press briefings anymore so probably won't make too much difference.

Amazing how thin skinned these supposedly powerful men are.

The State Department has blocked an NPR reporter from taking a scheduled trip with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, in apparent retaliation for the public radio station's handling of an explosive interview conducted with Pompeo on Friday.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/0...

It's not even the same woman! That makes it even more pathetic... Persecuting another woman because they've got the hump with a different one.

I'm sure that will go down well with the press pack.

[Byker28i]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

No matter how many witnesses you give the Democrats, no matter how much information is given, like the quickly produced Transcripts, it will NEVER be enough for them. They will always scream UNFAIR. The Impeachment Hoax is just another political CON JOB!

6:25 PM - 28 Jan 2020

Manu Raju
@mkraju

This is not unlike the case McConnell is also making to GOP senators. Once you let one witness testify, it opens the flood gates to many more with no clear end to the trial, he and other top Rs have said in meetings. Which is why he and the WH want to end the trial in days
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1222347904557494...

Thune said: "There's already that evidence on the record. Bolton could reinforce it or put a different context on it but if we call him in then [Dems and Rs] will want to call more people in" and it will "drag on"