45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)

[Dont like rolls]

tangerine_sedge said:

By 'woke', I'm assuming you mean normal people who don't talk and behave like dicks.

Normal people are neither "The Woke" nor are they Trumpers, as always they are the majority that has to put up with the shouty crap from both ends.

[rscott]

tvrolet said:

Ah well, this thread has gone downhill lately...IMHO of course. I used to visit regularly to read Byker's updates/links to news articles and much appreciated the effort put in to keep folks informed. No problems hearing both sides of an argument, but far too many unsupported 'Trump good...because' postings of late.

Re the suggestion that Americans don't discuss politics, then maybe some Americans/some states...but for sure not all. For maybe 40 years I've averaged maybe 4 or 5 weeks annually in the US. Until Trump, I agree I never had a discussion touching on politics with anyone I met. But in the last few years I've met a great many Americans who, unsolicited, suddenly apologise for Trump. In fairness these are primarily Californians (who I know are treated with some scorn by folks from other states) and New Yorkers. But I've lost count of the number of Americans I've spoken to (in bars, ski-lifts, taxis, restaurants and even theme-park queues) who have volunteered an apology for Trump and said how deeply embarrassing it is for the country to have him as POTUS. In maybe 100+ conversations I've only spoken with one bloke (on a ski lift) who was volunteered his support for Trump...but then got no further in a discussion than Trump good, Obama bad. Clearly there are a great many Trump supporters out there, but he's a pariah in California - or at least the bits I go to...which gives me some hope for the future.

I now await the 'all Californians are aholes' posts. These seems to be a pride in being an ignorant redneck these days.

I spend a few weeks a year in Atlanta and their reactions to Trump have been interesting to say the least.
At first, quite a few colleagues over there were full of praise for him at first and often started conversations about politics in general and him in particular.
Now they either don't mention him or admit they're embarrassed by his behaviour.

[Jimbeaux]

tangerine_sedge said:

By 'woke', I'm assuming you mean normal people who don't talk and behave like dicks.

No, that is not what that term refers to. “woke” refers to the self proclaimed hyper-aware. It usually applies to those who feel that all social problems can be traced to race, that western civilization should be reversed, basically PC put in to supercharged mode.

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

....so absolutely nothing to do with business killing regulations or intellectuals then....?

Comparison of Trump’s performance to Obama

Oh God spare me.

[Gameface]

Another thing you aren't going to bother reading?

[Jimbeaux]

Down and out said:

Is this about Brexit or Trump?

I see your point but this is about Trump. There are about five people on here, three or so in fanatic mode, that have a mega obsession with hating Trump. Phycology students should study this thread. It shows reactions when like mindedness is disrupted.

[andy_s]

tvrolet said:

Ah well, this thread has gone downhill lately...IMHO of course. I used to visit regularly to read Byker's updates/links to news articles and much appreciated the effort put in to keep folks informed. No problems hearing both sides of an argument, but far too many unsupported 'Trump good...because' postings of late.

Re the suggestion that Americans don't discuss politics, then maybe some Americans/some states...but for sure not all. For maybe 40 years I've averaged maybe 4 or 5 weeks annually in the US. Until Trump, I agree I never had a discussion touching on politics with anyone I met. But in the last few years I've met a great many Americans who, unsolicited, suddenly apologise for Trump. In fairness these are primarily Californians (who I know are treated with some scorn by folks from other states) and New Yorkers. But I've lost count of the number of Americans I've spoken to (in bars, ski-lifts, taxis, restaurants and even theme-park queues) who have volunteered an apology for Trump and said how deeply embarrassing it is for the country to have him as POTUS. In maybe 100+ conversations I've only spoken with one bloke (on a ski lift) who was volunteered his support for Trump...but then got no further in a discussion than Trump good, Obama bad. Clearly there are a great many Trump supporters out there, but he's a pariah in California - or at least the bits I go to...which gives me some hope for the future.

I now await the 'all Californians are aholes' posts. These seems to be a pride in being an ignorant redneck these days.

Ski lifts, bars, NYC, Cal, restaurants and even theme park queues? Anyone from the rust belt? The ma & pa dinner in Hicksville? The Nebraskan dirt farmer? The trucker? The unemployed Chicago family man on welfare? The part-time waitress single mom figuring out how to deal with her diabetes and feed the kids? The guy trying to start a business paying tax after tax on top of tax tied up in regulations? Did you visit a town where the main employer has left - the ghost towns filled with nothing but people a welfare cheque away from eviction? The 'ignorant rednecks' you've just denigrated?

I don't like Trump, and I'm sincere in that, but I can see how views can be very skewed by levels of interaction like this. Lots of them are simple folk of course, most watch one news outlet and get pumped full of propaganda, ill-educated, poor and simplistic in their opinions. But they have a vote, and a life, and see someone sticking up for them [even if he isn't] and hear 'MAGA' and 'USA' from him. Hope. From the opposition they hear 'slavery reparations!', 'transexual rights!', 'open borders!', 'white male privilege!' and hear day after day the knocking of their hero. Mmmm.

Californians aren't aholes, but they aren't in the same country, not even the same continent, as this big raft of other folk, and they [the 'enlightened'], to add insult to injury, then just dismiss and call them 'deplorable' for voting for Trump, embarrassed at his position, embarrassed at their own people for putting him there, still trying to figure out why he is.

I don't like Trump, but I see why these people do, and I see why he may yet get a second term. Short-vision and a lack of education amongst the educated who live in as much as a bubble as those peasants...

[Jimbeaux]

Dont like rolls said:

Normal people are neither "The Woke" nor are they Trumpers, as always they are the majority that has to put up with the shouty crap from both ends.

So the half or so of the US that voted for Trump are not normal? Got it.
Now, as to the majority that vote for Brexit. I suppose some on here consider them abnormal as well?

[Jimbeaux]

Gameface said:

Another thing you aren't going to bother reading?

O, it is more akin to the same old st that I won’t respond to anymore.

[Jimbeaux]

andy_s said:

Ski lifts, bars, NYC, Cal, restaurants and even theme park queues? Anyone from the rust belt? The ma & pa dinner in Hicksville? The Nebraskan dirt farmer? The trucker? The unemployed Chicago family man on welfare? The part-time waitress single mom figuring out how to deal with her diabetes and feed the kids? The guy trying to start a business paying tax after tax on top of tax tied up in regulations? Did you visit a town where the main employer has left - the ghost towns filled with nothing but people a welfare cheque away from eviction? The 'ignorant rednecks' you've just denigrated?

I don't like Trump, and I'm sincere in that, but I can see how views can be very skewed by levels of interaction like this. Lots of them are simple folk of course, most watch one news outlet and get pumped full of propaganda, ill-educated, poor and simplistic in their opinions. But they have a vote, and a life, and see someone sticking up for them [even if he isn't] and hear 'MAGA' and 'USA' from him. Hope. From the opposition they hear 'slavery reparations!', 'transexual rights!', 'open borders!', 'white male privilege!' and hear day after day the knocking of their hero. Mmmm.

Californians aren't aholes, but they aren't in the same country, not even the same continent, as this big raft of other folk, and they [the 'enlightened'], to add insult to injury, then just dismiss and call them 'deplorable' for voting for Trump, embarrassed at his position, embarrassed at their own people for putting him there, still trying to figure out why he is.

I don't like Trump, but I see why these people do, and I see why he may yet get a second term. Short-vision and a lack of education amongst the educated who live in as much as a bubble as those peasants...

I appreciate your sentiments Andy. But there are far more educated and business owning folks in that peasantry than you seem to think.

[andy_s]

Jimbeaux said:

I appreciate your sentiments Andy. But there are far more educated and business owning folks in that peasantry than you seem to think.

That's that middle floating layer Jim, I didn't want to bore anyone too much with the intricacies of that one. My boss here has his own business, wife is a teacher, clever guy, Colorado. He voted Trump with a held nose - as many did I assume, and he's a social liberal but fiscal conservative. He's still swithering, more so than last time, but he can't see anything in the opposition that is making him lurch back to sanity quite yet.

[Down and out]

Jimbeaux said:

So the half or so of the US that voted for Trump are not normal? Got it.
Now, as to the majority that vote for Brexit. I suppose some on here consider them abnormal as well?

We're abnormal, racist, xenophobic and gullible according to here.

[Dont like rolls]

Jimbeaux said:

Dont like rolls said:

Normal people are neither "The Woke" nor are they Trumpers, as always they are the majority that has to put up with the shouty crap from both ends.

So the half or so of the US that voted for Trump are not normal? Got it.
Now, as to the majority that vote for Brexit. I suppose some on here consider them abnormal as well?

That is not what I said is it, stop being silly.

We all had to vote, some voted one way some the other.

Some however (a few) stood outside shouting for 3 years and others (a few) thought Brexit was a way of getting rid of foreigners.

[andy_s]

tangerine_sedge said:

andy_s said:

The racist tag is such a good bouncy ball for the opposition to run yapping after. Make a small remark about letterboxes or be a bit uncouth about and off they go, doubling up between each other until they sound crazy even to their base. Meanwhile, spread some love to the deplorables and voila, a second term or a majority in the house.

The woke are in a dream. Completely distracted.

By 'woke', I'm assuming you mean normal people who don't talk and behave like dicks.

No.

[Jimbeaux]

andy_s said:

That's that middle floating layer Jim, I didn't want to bore anyone too much with the intricacies of that one. My boss here has his own business, wife is a teacher, clever guy, Colorado. He voted Trump with a held nose - as many did I assume, and he's a social liberal but fiscal conservative. He's still swithering, more so than last time, but he can't see anything in the opposition that is making him lurch back to sanity quite yet.

I have been on the POTUS Election 2020 thread. (Far more sane than this one I might add). What I said is that I believe Pete or Mike could beat Trump but none of the others. After the Super Tuesday votes in early March, we will have a better feel for the situation. The problem is this in the Dem world. The Pete and Mike supporters want moderate leadership with some fiscal conservativeness. The Bernie/Warren types want unfettered free stuff that the bottomless taxes from the mystic rich with provide, along with the literal reversal of western society, rewriting of history and if possible, spinning of the globe in a counter direction. That is the two directions the Dems are in a tug of war for at the moment.

[Jimbeaux]

Down and out said:

We're abnormal, racist, xenophobic and gullible according to here.

My goodness; it appears I was short changing you.

[andy_s]

Jimbeaux said:

I have been on the POTUS Election 2020 thread. (Far more sane than this one I might add). What I said is that I believe Pete or Mike could beat Trump but none of the others. After the Super Tuesday votes in early March, we will have a better feel for the situation. The problem is this in the Dem world. The Pete and Mike supporters want moderate leadership with some fiscal conservativeness. The Bernie/Warren types want unfettered free stuff that the bottomless taxes from the mystic rich with provide, along with the literal reversal of western society, rewriting of history and if possible, spinning of the globe in a counter direction. That is the two directions the Dems are in a tug of war for at the moment.

That's pretty much how I see it too - they need to get back into that middle ground and talk people instead of theory, preferably something that can be wrapped up in 4 syllables! Lets see.

[Oh - and my choice has already got the boot, & that was just for the devilment of seeing MATH instead of MAGA hats - so what do I know ]

Edited by andy_s on Sunday 16th February 22:19

[kowalski655]

Jimbeaux said:

Good points. The President gets to nominate only federal judges and only when there is a vacancy. These have to be confirmed by Congress. Not perfect by any means but also not quite as biased as it may sound.

Biased? Of course it t! The only thing McConnell is allowing through are Judges appointments, usuaily GOP biased, god botherers sometimes considered to be useless. With life terms, this will be a major GOP stronghold for decades
Especially keen to get them in the 9th Circuit, why defeat California in an election, just rule all their laws unconstitutional

[Jimbeaux]

kowalski655 said:

Biased? Of course it t! The only thing McConnell is allowing through are Judges appointments, usuaily GOP biased, god botherers sometimes considered to be useless. With life terms, this will be a major GOP stronghold for decades
Especially keen to get them in the 9th Circuit, why defeat California in an election, just rule all their laws unconstitutional

Ah yes, the 9th. Most other Circuits refer to them as the 9th Circus.

[Byker28i]

andy_s said:

Jimbeaux said:

I have been on the POTUS Election 2020 thread. (Far more sane than this one I might add). What I said is that I believe Pete or Mike could beat Trump but none of the others. After the Super Tuesday votes in early March, we will have a better feel for the situation. The problem is this in the Dem world. The Pete and Mike supporters want moderate leadership with some fiscal conservativeness. The Bernie/Warren types want unfettered free stuff that the bottomless taxes from the mystic rich with provide, along with the literal reversal of western society, rewriting of history and if possible, spinning of the globe in a counter direction. That is the two directions the Dems are in a tug of war for at the moment.

That's pretty much how I see it too - they need to get back into that middle ground and talk people instead of theory, preferably something that can be wrapped up in 4 syllables! Lets see.

[Oh - and my choice has already got the boot, & that was just for the devilment of seeing MATH instead of MAGA hats - so what do I know ]

Edited by andy_s on Sunday 16th February 22:19

trump got in partially because the voters believed they were getting something different (be careful what you wish for ) and not from 'the establishment. Bannon was very clever in pitching trump in that way.

As such and only 4 years on, I'd agree it's got to be someone different, not from the establishment, even though I think Warren would do a very good job. I'm not sure the US is ready for an openly gay president, based on some of the 'christian' teachings that have been interpreted. I quite like his spirit though https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/but...

Is Sanders a viable candidate? Is it suspicious the support he is getting? Is he up on last time?
trumps already told his supporters to go vote for the weakest Dem candidate in Hampshire, trump usually gives things away. Is there something else going on to spoil Dem chances

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 17th February 07:22