How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)

[psi310398]

DeepEnd said:

It’s actually a great example of how teaming up works and generates mass.

The Royal Navy in relative terms has only a handful of frigates and destroyers - we are about to have just two ships deployed to the region - if we team up with European Navies, the numbers able to support Gulf protection multiply up to much more effective numbers, sharing the burden that we cannot realistically do alone.

Or team up with the one Navy that has overwhelming firepower (IIRC one class of US carrier has more aircraft on it than the entire RAF) and has an appetite to use it.

[DeepEnd]

psi310398 said:

Or team up with the one Navy that has overwhelming firepower (IIRC one class of US carrier has more aircraft on it than the entire RAF) and has an appetite to use it.

Do that as well.

Although an idiot from the Brexit party & Isobel Oakeshott have damaged diplomatic relations with the US recently.

[bitchstewie]

DeepEnd said:

It’s actually a great example of how teaming up works and generates mass.

The Royal Navy in relative terms has only a handful of frigates and destroyers - we are about to have just two ships deployed to the region - if we team up with European Navies, the numbers able to support Gulf protection multiply up to much more effective numbers, sharing the burden that we cannot realistically do alone.

What you say above is similar to my position.

I always found and still do find the "EU Army" thing a bit hysterical though I can understand why people have reservations about it depending on the detail.

Do we really expect that in 2019 every single smaller country will have a fleet of warships and troops and so on simply sitting around waiting for things to kick off?

[Helicopter123]

bhstewie said:

DeepEnd said:

It’s actually a great example of how teaming up works and generates mass.

The Royal Navy in relative terms has only a handful of frigates and destroyers - we are about to have just two ships deployed to the region - if we team up with European Navies, the numbers able to support Gulf protection multiply up to much more effective numbers, sharing the burden that we cannot realistically do alone.

What you say above is similar to my position.

I always found and still do find the "EU Army" thing a bit hysterical though I can understand why people have reservations about it depending on the detail.

Do we really expect that in 2019 every single smaller country will have a fleet of warships and troops and so on simply sitting around waiting for things to kick off?

Just too much common sense on display here.

[anonymous-user]

DeepEnd said:

psi310398 said:

Or team up with the one Navy that has overwhelming firepower (IIRC one class of US carrier has more aircraft on it than the entire RAF) and has an appetite to use it.

Do that as well.

Although an idiot from the Brexit party & Isobel Oakeshott have damaged diplomatic relations with the US recently.

Only with the incumbent administration.

I'm confident that will change by the weekend

[psi310398]

bhstewie said:

What you say above is similar to my position.

I always found and still do find the "EU Army" thing a bit hysterical though I can understand why people have reservations about it depending on the detail.

Do we really expect that in 2019 every single smaller country will have a fleet of warships and troops and so on simply sitting around waiting for things to kick off?

Equally, what on earth would lead us to expect the French or Germans to be reliable in helping us pick our chestnuts out of the fire?

[bitchstewie]

psi310398 said:

Equally, what on earth would lead us to expect the French or Germans to be reliable in helping us pick our chestnuts out of the fire?

Why would they not be?

Would you trust the current US administration (to be clear and distinct from their public and military) more?

I don't get the assumption that the EU = bad and we can just do everything on our own, or go all-in with the USA.

At some point they'll want something in return, and we know how that worked out last time.

Genuine questions, I get that it's complicated.

[WCZ]

Tuna said:

Are you saying that Boris is committed only to leaving with No Deal?

If these guys were serious about the state of the country, they'd be discussing how we could get to the best arrangement with the EU. Resigning to undermine any attempts at negotiation before the next PM is even selected speaks volumes to me.

Boris wouldn't have been voted in if he didn 't support no deal, same as anyone else

[mx5nut]

bhstewie said:

DeepEnd said:

UK proposed to team up with European allies to protect tankers in the gulf.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-t...

Just don’t call it an EU army and it’ll be considered a good idea.

Farage is on LBC now calling it an "EU Navy" asking what's wrong with a "Royal Navy".

Many of his followers believe we should be using our navy to fight against other European countries, not cooperate with them.

[NoNeed]

mx5nut said:

Many of his followers believe we should be using our navy to fight against other European countries, not cooperate with them.

No they don't

[citizensm1th]

mx5nut said:

bhstewie said:

DeepEnd said:

UK proposed to team up with European allies to protect tankers in the gulf.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-t...

Just don’t call it an EU army and it’ll be considered a good idea.

Farage is on LBC now calling it an "EU Navy" asking what's wrong with a "Royal Navy".

Many of his followers believe we should be using our navy to fight against other European countries, not cooperate with them.

just wait until they find out we cannot even patrol our fishing grounds let alone sail halfway around the world to escort british flagged ships.

the melt down is going to be delightful roll on no deal

[DeepEnd]

mx5nut said:

bhstewie said:

DeepEnd said:

UK proposed to team up with European allies to protect tankers in the gulf.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-t...

Just don’t call it an EU army and it’ll be considered a good idea.

Farage is on LBC now calling it an "EU Navy" asking what's wrong with a "Royal Navy".

Many of his followers believe we should be using our navy to fight against other European countries, not cooperate with them.

Was that the Brexit Party guy on about sinking French fishing boats as if they were “the Belgrano”?

I see Nick Ferrari was calling the head of the CBI an idiot this morning. Quiet remarkable, and irresponsible. Yes it’s the sort of nonsense his listeners want to hear it, but who is this expert bashing rubbish really good for?

[Down and out]

citizensm1th said:

the melt down is going to be delightful roll on no deal

TBF, we've experienced enough for a lifetime from remainers.

[mx5nut]

DeepEnd said:

mx5nut said:

bhstewie said:

DeepEnd said:

UK proposed to team up with European allies to protect tankers in the gulf.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-t...

Just don’t call it an EU army and it’ll be considered a good idea.

Farage is on LBC now calling it an "EU Navy" asking what's wrong with a "Royal Navy".

Many of his followers believe we should be using our navy to fight against other European countries, not cooperate with them.

Was that the Brexit Party guy on about sinking French fishing boats as if they were “the Belgrano”?

It's a strange kind of bloodlust they seem to have developed through being completely isolated from the reality of war - except for on their television screens where the good guys have British accents and the bad guys have German and French accents.

[Robertj21a]

citizensm1th said:

mx5nut said:

bhstewie said:

DeepEnd said:

UK proposed to team up with European allies to protect tankers in the gulf.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-t...

Just don’t call it an EU army and it’ll be considered a good idea.

Farage is on LBC now calling it an "EU Navy" asking what's wrong with a "Royal Navy".

Many of his followers believe we should be using our navy to fight against other European countries, not cooperate with them.

just wait until they find out we cannot even patrol our fishing grounds let alone sail halfway around the world to escort british flagged ships.

the melt down is going to be delightful roll on no deal

Not many 'True patriots' on here today when all they can do is to knock anything that Britain does. Sad to see so many Remainers throwing their toys out nowadays, must be getting ever more desperate..

[anonymous-user]

mx5nut said:

DeepEnd said:

mx5nut said:

bhstewie said:

DeepEnd said:

UK proposed to team up with European allies to protect tankers in the gulf.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-t...

Just don’t call it an EU army and it’ll be considered a good idea.

Farage is on LBC now calling it an "EU Navy" asking what's wrong with a "Royal Navy".

Many of his followers believe we should be using our navy to fight against other European countries, not cooperate with them.

Was that the Brexit Party guy on about sinking French fishing boats as if they were “the Belgrano”?

It's a strange kind of bloodlust they seem to have developed through being completely isolated from the reality of war - except for on their television screens where the good guys have British accents and the bad guys have German and French accents.

Are you for real?

[alfie2244]

mx5nut said:

DeepEnd said:

mx5nut said:

bhstewie said:

DeepEnd said:

UK proposed to team up with European allies to protect tankers in the gulf.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-t...

Just don’t call it an EU army and it’ll be considered a good idea.

Farage is on LBC now calling it an "EU Navy" asking what's wrong with a "Royal Navy".

Many of his followers believe we should be using our navy to fight against other European countries, not cooperate with them.

Was that the Brexit Party guy on about sinking French fishing boats as if they were “the Belgrano”?

It's a strange kind of bloodlust they seem to have developed through being completely isolated from the reality of war - except for on their television screens where the good guys have British accents and the bad guys have German and French accents.

What a strange motley crew you lot are.

Edited by alfie2244 on Monday 22 July 20:52

[davey68]

The US offered military ships to support or convoy with our shipping apparently but for some unknown reason we declined!

Edited by davey68 on Monday 22 July 20:57

[psi310398]

bhstewie said:

Why would they not be?

Would you trust the current US administration (to be clear and distinct from their public and military) more?

I don't get the assumption that the EU = bad and we can just do everything on our own, or go all-in with the USA.

At some point they'll want something in return, and we know how that worked out last time.

Genuine questions, I get that it's complicated.

Actually, I was answering the narrow point about needing our own forces.

I’d agree re the US but our interests are probably more aligned in the Gulf at the moment than they are with the European bedwetters.

[citizensm1th]

Robertj21a said:

citizensm1th said:

mx5nut said:

bhstewie said:

DeepEnd said:

UK proposed to team up with European allies to protect tankers in the gulf.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-t...

Just don’t call it an EU army and it’ll be considered a good idea.

Farage is on LBC now calling it an "EU Navy" asking what's wrong with a "Royal Navy".

Many of his followers believe we should be using our navy to fight against other European countries, not cooperate with them.

just wait until they find out we cannot even patrol our fishing grounds let alone sail halfway around the world to escort british flagged ships.

the melt down is going to be delightful roll on no deal

Not many 'True patriots' on here today when all they can do is to knock anything that Britain does. Sad to see so many Remainers throwing their toys out nowadays, must be getting ever more desperate..

Unless you have served id wager there are many more true patriots on here than you, knocking the brexit nutters/tory party is not knocking Britain as thankfully Britain is a sum of more than those idiots.

As i have said on here before a no deal brexit is the only way to brexit. then the people of this country will see the likes of farrago and boris for what they really are as they will have nothing to hide behind.

All my dreams are coming true the tories tearing themselves apart, the tinfoil hat and right wing nutjobs are all gravitating to their lord and master farrago and lapping up his lies all we need now is for brexit to go tits up and they will be marginalised for a generation at least.

Come on halloween i have fireworks waiting