How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)
Discussion
anonymous said:
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The original question was about “what was the point of an extension”It would at the very least give time to prepare for no deal properly. Or ask the people if they really want no deal.....opinions vary but I don’t think that is as much as 52% anymore. There is a good chance a majority may now prefer remain, and that would be a better outcome than no deal.
I know you’ll disagree, but you asked and it’s an opinion / view that is reasonable and feasible.
slow_poke said:
jsf said:
If anyone in NI doesn't trust UK law, under the CTA they can move to and work in Ireland, its the easiest movement of people ever, much easier than current FMOL rules in the EU, something they could do prior to the EU existing.
So this is your solution? Ethnic cleansing?Merely pointing out that everyone born on the island North/South has the right to a ROI passport ( generalisation, before the pedants start on about asylum seekers)
People, North or South have the right of abode and all the benefits in NI, ROI or mainland UK
It would be just as valid to say that anyone in the ROI who doesn’t like the EU is free to move to mainland UK
In fact, over a million ROI born Irish Nationals, a quarter of the ROI population already do live in the UK
loafer123 said:
I think you are hope casting based on your own views. The Yellowhammer report was leaked some months ago, and this is just re-hashing the same information.
Boris will do everything he can to ensure we leave on the 31st...it is his only play.
I don’t think the Remain lobby has enough to defeat him, and, personally, I don’t think the EU will compromise.
As a result, either the EU leaders tell the EU to get sensible because they are representing the people who elected them, or we leave with No Deal.
The latter is hugely risky for the EU, both internationally, and because it won’t be as bad as Project Fear has attempted to paint it, potentially emboldening other countries just when the EU is at its most vulnerable economically and politically.
Today it's claimed that Hammond and allies leaked an old Yellowhammer report passing it off as a recent scoop in order to sow seeds into the mind of the EU that the country doesn't want No Deal. Hammond denies it was him, Gauke declined to comment.Boris will do everything he can to ensure we leave on the 31st...it is his only play.
I don’t think the Remain lobby has enough to defeat him, and, personally, I don’t think the EU will compromise.
As a result, either the EU leaders tell the EU to get sensible because they are representing the people who elected them, or we leave with No Deal.
The latter is hugely risky for the EU, both internationally, and because it won’t be as bad as Project Fear has attempted to paint it, potentially emboldening other countries just when the EU is at its most vulnerable economically and politically.
Well the country and the Government doesn't want No Deal, that is absolutely correct, but the bit that is missed out is what is the view on what to do then. Clearly there is a faction who simply want to revoke and remain. There's another faction who want to can kick, but for what purpose I am not sure if looked at realistically.
In her weekly column Janet Daley repeated the analysis here
It includes this gem just for the LoLs.
Janet Daley said:
Perhaps, with little understanding of the nature of the British political character, European bureaucrats are assuming that warnings uttered by former ministers and the leaders of official Opposition parties are received with absolute seriousness by a timorous populace.
So here it is again, that familiar theme of mine which I make no apology for repeating. When the British are threatened (or “warned”) they do not get frightened, they get angry. Or they laugh. In this case, they are doing both. Message to EU negotiators (or, more to the point, “non-negotiators”): the populace of this country, who bestow on the politicians of their choice whatever credibility and power they possess, are very hard to intimidate but are quite easily annoyed, and even more easily amused.
When Jeremy Corbyn presented the nation with his glorious offer to lead it out of the darkness, it took three days for the hilarity to die down. The small band (at first four, and then, on second thought, three) Tory Remainer politicians who “welcomed” his overture instantly became part of the joke. Which is why they went to some efforts within twenty-four hours to make it clear that everybody had got the wrong idea – they had absolutely no intention of ever putting Corbyn into Downing Street, etc.
What an absurd waste of time all this is, and what a perverse failure to read the nature of the actual problem.
So here it is again, that familiar theme of mine which I make no apology for repeating. When the British are threatened (or “warned”) they do not get frightened, they get angry. Or they laugh. In this case, they are doing both. Message to EU negotiators (or, more to the point, “non-negotiators”): the populace of this country, who bestow on the politicians of their choice whatever credibility and power they possess, are very hard to intimidate but are quite easily annoyed, and even more easily amused.
When Jeremy Corbyn presented the nation with his glorious offer to lead it out of the darkness, it took three days for the hilarity to die down. The small band (at first four, and then, on second thought, three) Tory Remainer politicians who “welcomed” his overture instantly became part of the joke. Which is why they went to some efforts within twenty-four hours to make it clear that everybody had got the wrong idea – they had absolutely no intention of ever putting Corbyn into Downing Street, etc.
What an absurd waste of time all this is, and what a perverse failure to read the nature of the actual problem.
amusingduck said:
DeepEnd said:
jsf said:
The purpose of extending would be what?
Do something, anything, properly for a change?I’m yet to hear anyone provide a compelling argument for extending or providing an acceptable outcome
Watching Grieve frothing at the mouth on Sky last night from his home in Brittany just emphasises the point
There are NO new ideas. Nobody is providing a solution .. on either side
The time to walk has come I’m afraid
Earthdweller said:
amusingduck said:
DeepEnd said:
jsf said:
The purpose of extending would be what?
Do something, anything, properly for a change?I’m yet to hear anyone provide a compelling argument for extending or providing an acceptable outcome
Watching Grieve frothing at the mouth on Sky last night from his home in Brittany just emphasises the point
There are NO new ideas. Nobody is providing a solution .. on either side
The time to walk has come I’m afraid
Toaster said:
Earthdweller said:
amusingduck said:
DeepEnd said:
jsf said:
The purpose of extending would be what?
Do something, anything, properly for a change?I’m yet to hear anyone provide a compelling argument for extending or providing an acceptable outcome
Watching Grieve frothing at the mouth on Sky last night from his home in Brittany just emphasises the point
There are NO new ideas. Nobody is providing a solution .. on either side
The time to walk has come I’m afraid
You say walking away is not a plan .., but you offer NO Solution as per my post, just hand wringing
We are where we are
Brooking10 said:
andymadmak said:
You don't really believe that do you?
If I didn’t I wouldn’t have written it.
Read it carefully, it’s not a request for, or an expectation of, a second referendum on whether or not to leave the EU.
Absolutely nothing.
Straw clutching of the maximum order.
John145 said:
Brooking10 said:
andymadmak said:
You don't really believe that do you?
If I didn’t I wouldn’t have written it.
Read it carefully, it’s not a request for, or an expectation of, a second referendum on whether or not to leave the EU.
Absolutely nothing.
Straw clutching of the maximum order.
John145 said:
Brooking10 said:
andymadmak said:
You don't really believe that do you?
If I didn’t I wouldn’t have written it.
Read it carefully, it’s not a request for, or an expectation of, a second referendum on whether or not to leave the EU.
Absolutely nothing.
Straw clutching of the maximum order.
This feels rather different to all the previous boasts from brexiters about getting a great deal due to the German car industry etc.
At some level, can you recognise that this is a rather big shift in position?
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