How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)
Discussion
Gilbertron said:
F1GTRUeno said:
Nobody tired of this yet?
You got what you wanted. To feel significant in your tiny lives for a moment and I'm sure the 'victory' of 2016 felt amazing for you but the crushing reality is that you don't really matter as evidenced by the farce that has been the last three years.
At this point Brexit doesn't really matter at all to anyone, it's just lost in the noise around it. You got your voices heard, you were never going to get them acted upon, surely you've gotta realise that by now. No matter if we leave or stay it won't be what you actually wanted but you've made a whole bunch of people miserable in the process throughout this country and abroad and Britain is a joke.
All the talk of living in a dictatorship seems to have stemmed from and, initially, been a reply to this. You got what you wanted. To feel significant in your tiny lives for a moment and I'm sure the 'victory' of 2016 felt amazing for you but the crushing reality is that you don't really matter as evidenced by the farce that has been the last three years.
At this point Brexit doesn't really matter at all to anyone, it's just lost in the noise around it. You got your voices heard, you were never going to get them acted upon, surely you've gotta realise that by now. No matter if we leave or stay it won't be what you actually wanted but you've made a whole bunch of people miserable in the process throughout this country and abroad and Britain is a joke.
In all honesty, all I feel is utter disregard for anyone in politics and the mainstream media who have simply made themselves look utterly pathetic throughout this whole process.
The vote went the way none of them wanted, why? Because they are all utterly out of touch with the working class people of this country (mainly outside London) in most areas, (even those that voted remain especially in Scotland did so as a backlash from their referendum years before, but I understand that and fair enough).
All people and business wants is a clear direction, that has never really been there despite 3 years of garbage from these rabbit in headlights tossers who can't get their own way.
If some businesses fail, so be it, others will arrive to replace them, it will take time, I am prepared for that and to cope with the downturn that will come with it, in my mind it is worth it. Those that failed in the main were heavily reliant on EU tariffs and bungs to exist in the first place, so obviously will suffer now.
We are not weak, incapable, hopeless at anything, we are a leading light in many ways (sadly masked by lack of ambition from our government who have relied on unskilled labour and mass immigration to bolster their back pockets and their paymasters in the service industries New Labour and the old Tories pushed in the late 20th century), we just need to have a strong leader and the willingness to have some balls and show these nimbi es that we can fight our own way, do our own thing and be strong.
The embarrassing side is not how we are viewed, it is more the way these so called politicians have dithered, wasted time and made us, the people who voted, a laughing stock, when all we want to do is bloody well get on with it!
The vote went the way none of them wanted, why? Because they are all utterly out of touch with the working class people of this country (mainly outside London) in most areas, (even those that voted remain especially in Scotland did so as a backlash from their referendum years before, but I understand that and fair enough).
All people and business wants is a clear direction, that has never really been there despite 3 years of garbage from these rabbit in headlights tossers who can't get their own way.
If some businesses fail, so be it, others will arrive to replace them, it will take time, I am prepared for that and to cope with the downturn that will come with it, in my mind it is worth it. Those that failed in the main were heavily reliant on EU tariffs and bungs to exist in the first place, so obviously will suffer now.
We are not weak, incapable, hopeless at anything, we are a leading light in many ways (sadly masked by lack of ambition from our government who have relied on unskilled labour and mass immigration to bolster their back pockets and their paymasters in the service industries New Labour and the old Tories pushed in the late 20th century), we just need to have a strong leader and the willingness to have some balls and show these nimbi es that we can fight our own way, do our own thing and be strong.
The embarrassing side is not how we are viewed, it is more the way these so called politicians have dithered, wasted time and made us, the people who voted, a laughing stock, when all we want to do is bloody well get on with it!
chunder27 said:
In all honesty, all I feel is utter disregard for anyone in politics and the mainstream media who have simply made themselves look utterly pathetic throughout this whole process.
The vote went the way none of them wanted, why? Because they are all utterly out of touch with the working class people of this country (mainly outside London) in most areas, (even those that voted remain especially in Scotland did so as a backlash from their referendum years before, but I understand that and fair enough).
All people and business wants is a clear direction, that has never really been there despite 3 years of garbage from these rabbit in headlights tossers who can't get their own way.
If some businesses fail, so be it, others will arrive to replace them, it will take time, I am prepared for that and to cope with the downturn that will come with it, in my mind it is worth it. Those that failed in the main were heavily reliant on EU tariffs and bungs to exist in the first place, so obviously will suffer now.
We are not weak, incapable, hopeless at anything, we are a leading light in many ways (sadly masked by lack of ambition from our government who have relied on unskilled labour and mass immigration to bolster their back pockets and their paymasters in the service industries New Labour and the old Tories pushed in the late 20th century), we just need to have a strong leader and the willingness to have some balls and show these nimbi es that we can fight our own way, do our own thing and be strong.
The embarrassing side is not how we are viewed, it is more the way these so called politicians have dithered, wasted time and made us, the people who voted, a laughing stock, when all we want to do is bloody well get on with it!
Well personally I think that’s a load of patronising guff. What are classing as ‘working class people’?The vote went the way none of them wanted, why? Because they are all utterly out of touch with the working class people of this country (mainly outside London) in most areas, (even those that voted remain especially in Scotland did so as a backlash from their referendum years before, but I understand that and fair enough).
All people and business wants is a clear direction, that has never really been there despite 3 years of garbage from these rabbit in headlights tossers who can't get their own way.
If some businesses fail, so be it, others will arrive to replace them, it will take time, I am prepared for that and to cope with the downturn that will come with it, in my mind it is worth it. Those that failed in the main were heavily reliant on EU tariffs and bungs to exist in the first place, so obviously will suffer now.
We are not weak, incapable, hopeless at anything, we are a leading light in many ways (sadly masked by lack of ambition from our government who have relied on unskilled labour and mass immigration to bolster their back pockets and their paymasters in the service industries New Labour and the old Tories pushed in the late 20th century), we just need to have a strong leader and the willingness to have some balls and show these nimbi es that we can fight our own way, do our own thing and be strong.
The embarrassing side is not how we are viewed, it is more the way these so called politicians have dithered, wasted time and made us, the people who voted, a laughing stock, when all we want to do is bloody well get on with it!
And do you think the main Brexiteers Reese Mogg, Johnson or Farage have a grasp of what the average person on the street want, think or go through in life?
chrispmartha said:
chunder27 said:
In all honesty, all I feel is utter disregard for anyone in politics and the mainstream media who have simply made themselves look utterly pathetic throughout this whole process.
The vote went the way none of them wanted, why? Because they are all utterly out of touch with the working class people of this country (mainly outside London) in most areas, (even those that voted remain especially in Scotland did so as a backlash from their referendum years before, but I understand that and fair enough).
All people and business wants is a clear direction, that has never really been there despite 3 years of garbage from these rabbit in headlights tossers who can't get their own way.
If some businesses fail, so be it, others will arrive to replace them, it will take time, I am prepared for that and to cope with the downturn that will come with it, in my mind it is worth it. Those that failed in the main were heavily reliant on EU tariffs and bungs to exist in the first place, so obviously will suffer now.
We are not weak, incapable, hopeless at anything, we are a leading light in many ways (sadly masked by lack of ambition from our government who have relied on unskilled labour and mass immigration to bolster their back pockets and their paymasters in the service industries New Labour and the old Tories pushed in the late 20th century), we just need to have a strong leader and the willingness to have some balls and show these nimbi es that we can fight our own way, do our own thing and be strong.
The embarrassing side is not how we are viewed, it is more the way these so called politicians have dithered, wasted time and made us, the people who voted, a laughing stock, when all we want to do is bloody well get on with it!
Well personally I think that’s a load of patronising guff. What are classing as ‘working class people’?The vote went the way none of them wanted, why? Because they are all utterly out of touch with the working class people of this country (mainly outside London) in most areas, (even those that voted remain especially in Scotland did so as a backlash from their referendum years before, but I understand that and fair enough).
All people and business wants is a clear direction, that has never really been there despite 3 years of garbage from these rabbit in headlights tossers who can't get their own way.
If some businesses fail, so be it, others will arrive to replace them, it will take time, I am prepared for that and to cope with the downturn that will come with it, in my mind it is worth it. Those that failed in the main were heavily reliant on EU tariffs and bungs to exist in the first place, so obviously will suffer now.
We are not weak, incapable, hopeless at anything, we are a leading light in many ways (sadly masked by lack of ambition from our government who have relied on unskilled labour and mass immigration to bolster their back pockets and their paymasters in the service industries New Labour and the old Tories pushed in the late 20th century), we just need to have a strong leader and the willingness to have some balls and show these nimbi es that we can fight our own way, do our own thing and be strong.
The embarrassing side is not how we are viewed, it is more the way these so called politicians have dithered, wasted time and made us, the people who voted, a laughing stock, when all we want to do is bloody well get on with it!
And do you think the main Brexiteers Reese Mogg, Johnson or Farage have a grasp of what the average person on the street want, think or go through in life?
chrispmartha said:
Well personally I think that’s a load of patronising guff. What are classing as ‘working class people’?
And do you think the main Brexiteers Reese Mogg, Johnson or Farage have a grasp of what the average person on the street want, think or go through in life?
RM, Johnson and Farage repeatedly go to the trouble of standing for election, thereby allowing the average person in the street a chance to accept or reject what they say. And do you think the main Brexiteers Reese Mogg, Johnson or Farage have a grasp of what the average person on the street want, think or go through in life?
To be successful doing this, I'd imagine they all to a greater or lesser degree do need to spend a lot of time listening to exactly what the average person on the street wants, thinks or goes through in life.
Robertj21a said:
chrispmartha said:
chunder27 said:
In all honesty, all I feel is utter disregard for anyone in politics and the mainstream media who have simply made themselves look utterly pathetic throughout this whole process.
The vote went the way none of them wanted, why? Because they are all utterly out of touch with the working class people of this country (mainly outside London) in most areas, (even those that voted remain especially in Scotland did so as a backlash from their referendum years before, but I understand that and fair enough).
All people and business wants is a clear direction, that has never really been there despite 3 years of garbage from these rabbit in headlights tossers who can't get their own way.
If some businesses fail, so be it, others will arrive to replace them, it will take time, I am prepared for that and to cope with the downturn that will come with it, in my mind it is worth it. Those that failed in the main were heavily reliant on EU tariffs and bungs to exist in the first place, so obviously will suffer now.
We are not weak, incapable, hopeless at anything, we are a leading light in many ways (sadly masked by lack of ambition from our government who have relied on unskilled labour and mass immigration to bolster their back pockets and their paymasters in the service industries New Labour and the old Tories pushed in the late 20th century), we just need to have a strong leader and the willingness to have some balls and show these nimbi es that we can fight our own way, do our own thing and be strong.
The embarrassing side is not how we are viewed, it is more the way these so called politicians have dithered, wasted time and made us, the people who voted, a laughing stock, when all we want to do is bloody well get on with it!
Well personally I think that’s a load of patronising guff. What are classing as ‘working class people’?The vote went the way none of them wanted, why? Because they are all utterly out of touch with the working class people of this country (mainly outside London) in most areas, (even those that voted remain especially in Scotland did so as a backlash from their referendum years before, but I understand that and fair enough).
All people and business wants is a clear direction, that has never really been there despite 3 years of garbage from these rabbit in headlights tossers who can't get their own way.
If some businesses fail, so be it, others will arrive to replace them, it will take time, I am prepared for that and to cope with the downturn that will come with it, in my mind it is worth it. Those that failed in the main were heavily reliant on EU tariffs and bungs to exist in the first place, so obviously will suffer now.
We are not weak, incapable, hopeless at anything, we are a leading light in many ways (sadly masked by lack of ambition from our government who have relied on unskilled labour and mass immigration to bolster their back pockets and their paymasters in the service industries New Labour and the old Tories pushed in the late 20th century), we just need to have a strong leader and the willingness to have some balls and show these nimbi es that we can fight our own way, do our own thing and be strong.
The embarrassing side is not how we are viewed, it is more the way these so called politicians have dithered, wasted time and made us, the people who voted, a laughing stock, when all we want to do is bloody well get on with it!
And do you think the main Brexiteers Reese Mogg, Johnson or Farage have a grasp of what the average person on the street want, think or go through in life?
psi310398 said:
chrispmartha said:
Well personally I think that’s a load of patronising guff. What are classing as ‘working class people’?
And do you think the main Brexiteers Reese Mogg, Johnson or Farage have a grasp of what the average person on the street want, think or go through in life?
RM, Johnson and Farage repeatedly go to the trouble of standing for election, thereby allowing the average person in the street a chance to accept or reject what they say. And do you think the main Brexiteers Reese Mogg, Johnson or Farage have a grasp of what the average person on the street want, think or go through in life?
To be successful doing this, I'd imagine they all to a greater or lesser degree do need to spend a lot of time listening to exactly what the average person on the street wants, thinks or goes through in life.
chrispmartha said:
So if the politicians are brexiteers they understand what the average person thinks but if they're remainers they don’t? That IMO is what’s being insinuated
I'm insinuating nothing of the sort. I was just challenging your (IMO) rather lazy assumption that the three above have no clue about the lives of the average voters and adducing a reason why I thought you might be wrong.
It follows from what I say, that Remainers who are repeatedly elected probably do the same.
psi310398 said:
chrispmartha said:
So if the politicians are brexiteers they understand what the average person thinks but if they're remainers they don’t? That IMO is what’s being insinuated
I'm insinuating nothing of the sort. I was just challenging your (IMO) rather lazy assumption that the three above have no clue about the lives of the average voters and adducing a reason why I thought you might be wrong.
It follows from what I say, that Remainers who are repeatedly elected probably do the same.
Phud said:
Land sea bass if I am fishing off UK waters
Despite the UK arguing that 2 - 3 was more a realistic daily target for recreational anglers in 2019 (in our OWN waters) the Commission wouldn't budge and dismissed evidence from CEFAS stating that this would only increase take by a maximum of 23%.They believed their own assumption that this would double take - from recreational fishing which has nowhere near the ecological pressure of commercial fishing (whose limits they increased this year).
You're able to take 1 bass per angler, per day though until October this year - you'll no doubt be ecstatic to hear that!
Phud said:
toppstuff said:
I will ask the same question of you cranked.
Give me one example of something you cannot do right now that you want to, because of the EU.
Land sea bass if I am fishing off UK watersGive me one example of something you cannot do right now that you want to, because of the EU.
Really?! Is the best example you can think of resulting from breaking free of the " EU dictatorship" !!
dangerousB said:
Despite the UK arguing that 2 - 3 was more a realistic daily target for recreational anglers in 2019 (in our OWN waters) the Commission wouldn't budge and dismissed evidence from CEFAS stating that this would only increase take by a maximum of 23%.
They believed their own assumption that this would double take - from recreational fishing which has nowhere near the ecological pressure of commercial fishing (whose limits they increased this year).
You're able to take 1 bass per angler, per day though until October this year - you'll no doubt be ecstatic to hear that!
I know but as a French person I can land all I want, same goes for crawfish, same region different size allowed to be landed. Same for farming rules.They believed their own assumption that this would double take - from recreational fishing which has nowhere near the ecological pressure of commercial fishing (whose limits they increased this year).
You're able to take 1 bass per angler, per day though until October this year - you'll no doubt be ecstatic to hear that!
Its daft
toppstuff said:
Phud said:
toppstuff said:
I will ask the same question of you cranked.
Give me one example of something you cannot do right now that you want to, because of the EU.
Land sea bass if I am fishing off UK watersGive me one example of something you cannot do right now that you want to, because of the EU.
Really?! Is the best example you can think of resulting from breaking free of the " EU dictatorship" !!
toppstuff said:
Phud said:
toppstuff said:
I will ask the same question of you cranked.
Give me one example of something you cannot do right now that you want to, because of the EU.
Land sea bass if I am fishing off UK watersGive me one example of something you cannot do right now that you want to, because of the EU.
Really?! Is the best example you can think of resulting from breaking free of the " EU dictatorship" !!
amusingduck said:
Oh it's this game again.
You were right - Someone names something
- The goalposts are moved to That's what you're bothered about? roflolzlzolzolzol
toppstuff said:
crankedup said:
Simple, direct and very true I would imagine for millions of others in the referendum.
I will ask the same question of you cranked.Give me one example of something you cannot do right now that you want to, because of the EU.
toppstuff said:
Phud said:
toppstuff said:
I will ask the same question of you cranked.
Give me one example of something you cannot do right now that you want to, because of the EU.
Land sea bass if I am fishing off UK watersGive me one example of something you cannot do right now that you want to, because of the EU.
Really?! Is the best example you can think of resulting from breaking free of the " EU dictatorship" !!
May I remind you of the challenge you posed?
Toppstuff said:
When we leave the EU - name ONE thing you can do that you cannot do already. One thing.. Go on.
The implication in your challenge is that leaving the EU will not result in being able to do anything more than you can currently do with the UK as a member. He, and others have named one thing. Your challenge has been met. But now you're moving the goalposts, to include some sort of worthiness measure, with presumably that worthiness being determined by your own values. So if it doesn't impact you personally, and if you can't see the importance of it to your life then you can dismiss it and ridicule the poster with ROFLs.
Do you not see that your attitude (as manifested by too many Remain voters) is a massive part of the problem with the post referendum debate?
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